So were the posters who backed Jamie Gray "Trolls" ?

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Yes you are so right and i have been trying to say it a few times now...the fact is that the scum bags were found guilty,no use to get into what, how or why they did what they did, its in the past and we can try to figure out their mentality until we are blue in our faces..we will never be able to since they are all low life, so lets put our energy were its needed.
Justice for the horses, ponies and donkeys were served yesterday with the most fantastic verdict,so lets put the lid on it and move on !

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The only low life is u mate ur the one sitting on h/h 24/7 u all rearly need to get a life
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if you have been sitting in the court everyday i can therefore conclude you do not have a job???? there fore not contributing to society
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Sorry My Jack, been at Badminton today.

Questions for you as you were at the court.

How many horses were confiscated Jan 4th?

How many altogether (over the few days) and on who's jurisdiction?

How many horses were truthfully found dead?

Who did the post mortems and what were the results?

Of those removed how many were shown to be emaciated?

Of those described as emaciated, how long had he owned them? Did they produce evidence to show how long he had owned the "emaciated" animals?

How many were in a satisfactory condition?

How many were lame?

How many were PTS and on what grounds? Again, on whose jurisdiction?

Was JG allowed his own vet to be present when the RSPCA raided? Was a second opinion allowed before the horses were PTS?

What time did the RSPCA raid Spindles farm? If my memory serves me right it was 6 am?

And am I right in thinking they had no hay at 6am or was it inadequate hay?

And half filled troughs of water or no water? Where they had no water, were there containers that could have had water in the night before?

Did Jamie Gray's defence produce evidence that showed he had arranged disposal of the carcasses?


Sorry! Loads of questions! I have more but this will do for now! I have tried to ask questions that are factual.

If you can answer please do!
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I cant be doing with all this cloak and dagger stuff!
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I will charitably assume that Myjack has missed this post and will now get around to answering each point in it as they promised they would.

I would also like to ask Myjack who they are, and what relation are they/ how do they know James Grey.

Thank you.
 
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Yes you are so right and i have been trying to say it a few times now...the fact is that the scum bags were found guilty,no use to get into what, how or why they did what they did, its in the past and we can try to figure out their mentality until we are blue in our faces..we will never be able to since they are all low life, so lets put our energy were its needed.
Justice for the horses, ponies and donkeys were served yesterday with the most fantastic verdict,so lets put the lid on it and move on !

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The only low life is u mate ur the one sitting on h/h 24/7 u all rearly need to get a life
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Well what do you know, another troll rears it's ugly head.

JM you know that you won't get a reasoned response
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patty- when one is asked a question it is common courtesy to give a direct answer rather than make "smart a***" comments to skirts around them
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just some tips to help you in your way through life

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Please do not skirt around when asking a question - if you want to ask a question then just go right ahead and ask.

Please understand one thing......I need no tips to help me through life when those tips come from people who hang on to every word the media tells them. To take tips from any such person/s would not help me through life, in any way, shape or form.

I dont for a moment think you are dumb and dont wish to offend you.....but I do believe you and others need to take a breather from all the media hype and to stop hanging onto every word the RSPCA tell you as though it is the gospel truth. Please do some logical thinking which will probably lead you to ask questions of your own.
 
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JM07 do you really expect an answer you of all people should know you wont get an answer sweet x

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i am EXPECTING an answer, Tania.

myjack and i have history.....
 
i would like to think so BER...

i've had several "reasoned" conversations with Myjack...
 
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JM07 do you really expect an answer you of all people should know you wont get an answer sweet x

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i am EXPECTING an answer, Tania.

myjack and i have history.....

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Why have you upset her then?
 
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JM07 do you really expect an answer you of all people should know you wont get an answer sweet x

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i am EXPECTING an answer, Tania.

myjack and i have history.....

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Why have you upset her then?

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Oh Dear....have I???
 
patty my dear, i most certainly do not believe everything the media tells me , i am more than capable of making up my mind i have seen photographic eveidence which in my mind is real and that is all i need , unless you are trying to tell me that these horses where dumped in this condition on the unfortunate mr gray??? and he in his good heartedness did all in his godly power to do his best for them to change there fortune???
i beg to differ
and if you are so good at answering questions please do me the favour of telling me who you are ????
i am more than willing to return the favour
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JM07 do you really expect an answer you of all people should know you wont get an answer sweet x

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i am EXPECTING an answer, Tania.

myjack and i have history.....

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Why have you upset her then?

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Oh Dear....have I???

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PMSL i dont know have u? as i said you wont get an answer.
 
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I dont for a moment think you are dumb and dont wish to offend you.....but I do believe you and others need to take a breather from all the media hype and to stop hanging onto every word the RSPCA tell you as though it is the gospel truth. Please do some logical thinking which will probably lead you to ask questions of your own.

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I took a breather and did some logical thinking. And now would like to know what your justification is for the photographic and video evidence of rotting corpses? Do you claim they were not james grey's responsibility.

I am also patiently awaiting a reply to the quoted post above. In your own time.
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naturally - when patty tells us who he/she really is you can come round for coffee as well so we can listen to them explaining all to us;)
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I dont for a moment think you are dumb and dont wish to offend you.....but I do believe you and others need to take a breather from all the media hype and to stop hanging onto every word the RSPCA tell you as though it is the gospel truth. Please do some logical thinking which will probably lead you to ask questions of your own.

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I took a breather and did some logical thinking. And now would like to know what your justification is for the photographic and video evidence of rotting corpses? Do you claim they were not james grey's responsibility.

I am also patiently awaiting a reply to the quoted post above. In your own time.
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Alot of people have asked the same question of who is responsible for the horses but still noone has been answered
 
Does myjack/patty not feel anything for the way these horses suffered? Surely anyone with a heart could see that it was cruelty & neglect.
 
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naturally - when patty tells us who he/she really is you can come round for coffee as well so we can listen to them explaining all to us;)
or tea or hot choc
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Hmmm.. how about a glass of wine?

TBH I don't think I could put up with MJ's constant dodging of straight forward questions face to face.
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I am happy to put an end to this thread by saying that yes I think they are trolls

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Agreed. And I must say the 'ignore' function is rather good. I like to imagine all the desperate rantings that may be going on. Such a shame I'll never see them. Ho hum.
 
The one thing I am curious about but obviously didn't word correctly in my initial list of questions is that MJ/Patty seems to be clear in their own mind that the Greys were not the people responsible for looking after these animals - so perhaps MJ/Patty can tell us who was responsible for looking after these animals.

Is that a clear enough question? Or will MJ/Patty find a politicians way of answering it?
 
IMO MJ/Patty is not a troll. She sat through the court case and heard the evidence. I, for one, would like to hear what was said.

Another question MJ! Was there a jury? Lets just clarify this!
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IMO MJ/Patty is not a troll. She sat through the court case and heard the evidence. I, for one, would like to hear what was said.

Another question MJ! Was there a jury? Lets just clarify this!
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No jury in this case, although it was heard by a judge, but in a magistrates court.
 
AmyMay it has nothing to do with you what I do and you should certainly should not be insinuating anything. You know nothing about me.
 
If you bought a horse at an auction yesterday and it was emaciated today would you be responsible?

If you gave your horse hay last night and it had eaten it by 6am in the morning would you have been cruel?

If your horse had poohed in its bucket of water overnight have you been cruel?

If on Christmas day your horse died and you were unable to get someone to collect the carcass till the day after boxing day would you have been cruel?

I called a gamekeeper to shoot a deer that had been hit by a car and broken its legs. He didnt take it away and bury it. We left it to rot in the ditch by the road. Was that cruel? Or was it realistic?

I want to know both sides. I want to know the whole story. Then I can make up my own mind.
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If you bought a horse at an auction yesterday and it was emaciated today would you be responsible?

If you gave your horse hay last night and it had eaten it by 6am in the morning would you have been cruel?

If your horse had poohed in its bucket of water overnight have you been cruel?

If on Christmas day your horse died and you were unable to get someone to collect the carcass till the day after boxing day would you have been cruel?

I called a gamekeeper to shoot a deer that had been hit by a car and broken its legs. He didnt take it away and bury it. We left it to rot in the ditch by the road. Was that cruel? Or was it realistic?



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The answer to your first 4 questions is: "no, of course not."

To the last question - not cruel, rather the opposite - but perhaps also environmentally unfriendly unless you rang the council the next day to tell them it was there so they could remove it before it was a rotting mess of maggots that would potentially contaminate a water course.

But of course none of these scenarios fit the Gray case. Carcases in advanced decay, skulls and skeletons don't happen in a day or two. And all those horses didn't arrive overnight - or get into that condition overnight.

Anyone who has horses - particularly if they have a lot of horses - will at SOME stage have a horse that - on first sight - looks like it might be a welfare case. I have one filly here (out of 60 odd) who was very thin for several months, now thankfully improving. But should the RSPCA show up on my door I could refer them to my vet, who has seen the filly five times, examined her thoroughly, done her teeth (which weren't 'bad') and run a raft of diagnostic tests on her - all of which were inconclusive but suggest possibly a virus JUST at the time she was having a growth spurt.

I could also point to the generous quantities of good quality haylage in front of her all the time, and the condition of the two other fillies with her. The RSPCA would go away KNOWING the filly was not neglected and that they had NO case for a prosecution (even though some of them would LOVE to prosecute me because of my hunting connections!)

But although we may not know every salient fact in the Gray case, large numbers of emaciated horses, living in sh*t and treading over dead bodies is MORE than enough evidence. And the convictions - by a judge (not a jury of possible bunny-huggers) provide further proof (if more is needed) of large scale neglect and cruelty!
 
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How many dead horses? How many malnourished horses? Goodness, isn't jamie gray an unlucky owner? Perhaps not.

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How many malnourished horses have been shown in the press?

How long had Mr Gray owned them?


He would most certainly be off his trolly if he purchased fit and healthy horses just to starve them to death.

Think logical and ask yourself how he could possibly gain financially and run a bussiness if he starved and neglected the very animals that earned his living.

Dead horses dont sell - Live ones do. It would not be in his interest as a horse trader to starve and/or neglect them.
 
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