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[ihatework]

Just seen a request on FB for a Just Giving cause

They want money to replace a horse they bought unseen from Ireland that had to be PTS the week after it arrived.

WTAF

 

[poiuytrewq]

Just seen a request on FB for a Just Giving cause

They want money to replace a horse they bought unseen from Ireland that had to be PTS the week after it arrived.

WTAF

Hell it’s worth a try

 

[milliepops]

Hell it’s worth a try

?????

Has anyone donated!? ?

 

[doodle]

I saw that. People make stupid mistakes and then expect everyone else to pay for it. Yes it was rubbish but could have been avoided.

The best I saw was someone with bpd (like me, this is not a dig at bpd). She had big credit card bills due to lack of impulse control due to bpd and could everyone just pay off her debts.

 

[PapaverFollis]

Saw someone asking for donations for a new laptop the other day.

 

[COldNag]

?????

Has anyone donated!? ?

I saw this. Looks like there're some donations already.

 

[dogatemysalad]

I guess people like to donate to all sorts of crazy things. The best one was millionaire Corbyn receiving a crowd funded new bike a few years ago when he was leader if the opposition. I'm sure he could have claimed one on expenses for the days he didn't want his chauffeur to drive him.

 

[Abi90]

Someone I know asked people to crow fund a new pony for her (she got £1000). She’s since sold the pony for double what she paid for it... I don’t think those people have had a refund or got a slice of the “profit”

 

[scats]

I want a brand new dressage saddle... maybe it’s worth a try!

 

[ycbm]

Well if the professional eventer daughter of one of the most famous eventers in the world, with potential sponsor contacts to die for, can crowd fund a £40,000 horse by telling lies about what benefits people who donate will get, then anything goes, doesn't it?

I wonder why anyone gives these people money?

 

[Ample Prosecco]

Saw someone asking for donations for a new laptop the other day.

The horse ones are crazy - horse ownership is a luxury not a need - but I could see myself supporting this under some circumstances: someone who has lost income due to Covid and whose kids need it for schoolwork being done remotely, for example. But not just for an upgrade!

 

[TPO]

I was shocked at a recent one crowdfunding for vet bills on a dressage FB page because she was a student so couldnt afford it. If you have no contingency or back up funds for unexpected bills then you need to have insurance.

I'm pretty sure it was over £1000 when I saw it.

Some people have no shame (or morals, looking at famous eventers daughter ?)

 

[PapaverFollis]

The horse ones are crazy - horse ownership is a luxury not a need - but I could see myself supporting this under some circumstances: someone who has lost income due to Covid and whose kids need it for schoolwork being done remotely, for example. But not just for an upgrade!

It was definitely some kid chancing for an upgrade. Hadn't even bothered writing a sob story.

 

[shortstuff99]

I saw this, all negative comments were attacked and then deleted.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

The insurance one is tricky because it's so easy to go over the 5k limit. In fact, with a complex case it's impossible not to without having to say no to potentially important diagnostics. I went over with both Max and Ginny. Way, way over because after other diagnostics showed nothing, scintigraphy was recommended. And an MRI too in Ginny's case. I had the money but even if I didn't I think I'd have tried to scrape it together from somewhere rather than just not find out what was wrong. My insurance premiums were ridiculous after 2 maxed out policies so now none are insured at all which is even scarier!

And finances can change very quickly too so you can go from affording unexpected bills to not in a short space of time. That said, I cant imagine ever crowd funding anything personally.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

It was definitely some kid chancing for an upgrade. Hadn't even bothered writing a sob story.

Ah then that's just cheeky! People are chancers aren't they

 

[Ample Prosecco]

Does anyone know how EK's '5*, Olympics and beyond' horse is actually doing and whether any of her supporters ever got anything from her? That story made me so angry!

 

[Roxylola]

I think the case you're referring to in the OP is tricky. Shes only 17, saved to buy the horse etc. Now I'm not sure if she would have insured normally, but obviously as the horse was found to have issues when it was vet checked it's unlikely to have been covered for colic (windsucking). Secondly I got the impression this all happened very quickly after purchase so even if she'd insured insurance might still not have covered.

Shes been unlucky and perhaps a bit naive but as mentioned previously Emily king crowdfunded for a horse, I dont really see the harm asking even though i personally wouldnt do it and won't donate

 

[chocolategirl]

Well if the professional eventer daughter of one of the most famous eventers in the world, with potential sponsor contacts to die for, can crowd fund a £40,000 horse by telling lies about what benefits people who donate will get, then anything goes, doesn't it?

I wonder why anyone gives these people money?

World’s full of suckers ?‍ What’s the old saying? A fool and their money are easily parted??

 

[rabatsa]

Once upon a time it was called begging. Now it is the same but out to a wider audience.

 

[ihatework]

Does anyone know how EK's '5*, Olympics and beyond' horse is actually doing and whether any of her supporters ever got anything from her? That story made me so angry!

It’s going nowhere fast and has fallen far to often for my liking.

https://www.britisheventing.com/abo...orse-profiles/LANGFORD-TAKE-THE-BISCUIT-97805

 

[TPO]

The insurance one is tricky because it's so easy to go over the 5k limit. In fact, with a complex case it's impossible not to without having to say no to potentially important diagnostics. I went over with both Max and Ginny. Way, way over because after other diagnostics showed nothing, scintigraphy was recommended. And an MRI too in Ginny's case. I had the money but even if I didn't I think I'd have tried to scrape it together from somewhere rather than just not find out what was wrong. My insurance premiums were ridiculous after 2 maxed out policies so now none are insured at all which is even scarier!

And finances can change very quickly too so you can go from affording unexpected bills to not in a short space of time. That said, I cant imagine ever crowd funding anything personally.

True regarding maxing out insurance claims but I still dont see how that justified expecting other people to pay your vet bills for you. This young dressage rider had money to compete so could have afforded premiums.

It's this whole shameful mentality that anyone with a sob story because life is so unfair is justified in asking for money.

Everyone seems to want a short cut. Even as a student there are plenty of places that will give you a credit card and then it's the hard work of paying off. The far easier option is to tug on heartstrings and take other peoples money.

I can't wrap my head around asking for and accepting money from strangers to fund your hobby; be it a vet bill or a new horse.

 

[ycbm]

Does anyone know how EK's '5*, Olympics and beyond' horse is actually doing and whether any of her supporters ever got anything from her? That story made me so angry!

There's a comment on the page that donors have never heard a peep out of her, I don't know if that's true. He took four seasons to run consistently at Intermediate and the results don't at the moment look like an International horse in the making, never finished on his dressage score at Intermediate, rarely clear show jumping though usually clear at Novice. Looks as if he might have reached his limit.

 

[TPO]

It’s going nowhere fast and has fallen far to often for my liking.

https://www.britisheventing.com/abo...orse-profiles/LANGFORD-TAKE-THE-BISCUIT-97805

It better start staying on its feet because she assured people it was going 5* and all donors are welcome behind the scenes and to course walk. It'll be a busy Badmintin stable yard that year...

 

[SOS]

If you read the just giving page apparently she had insurance but it wouldn’t cover anything because was in the first 14 days of policy... I thought it covered accidents and emergencies though? Either way unfortunately it’s not something I’d support, buying the horse unseen was an expensive mistake.

 

[ihatework]

It better start staying on its feet because she assured people it was going 5* and all donors are welcome behind the scenes and to course walk. It'll be a busy Badmintin stable yard that year...

Honestly, any muppet who actually donated deserves to loose their money. That kid will get Karma too.

 

[SOS]

I forgot EKs horse was called ‘Takes the Biscuit’ just so relevant for the situation. ?

I wonder where she stands legally with her promises.

 

[lannerch]

I forgot EKs horse was called ‘Takes the Biscuit’ just so relevant for the situation. ?

I wonder where she stands legally with her promises.

I thought the price at the time was dodgy to , yes it is buckskin however 40k for a horse that had only done at the time average in both 90’s and a few 100 does not usually warrant anywhere near that price tag .

 

[SOS]

I thought the price at the time was dodgy to , yes it is buckskin however 40k for a horse that had only done at the time average in both 90’s and a few 100 does not usually warrant anywhere near that price tag .

Very true. Do I remember rightly that it actually went over 40k and this was to be put towards his living costs?!
Either way the whole thing was ridiculous and greedy, I don’t doubt if she sold a few cars or other horses she could of funded the horse. This is what people do everyday to support their lifestyle. Young, unfunded riders sell their dream ponies after U18s so that they can buy something younger with more potential. Or she could of formed a real syndicate with the many owners she already has, if they didn’t want to back the horse then perhaps they could see something the general public couldn’t. Anyway I’m getting off topic...

 

[ihatework]

I thought the price at the time was dodgy to , yes it is buckskin however 40k for a horse that had only done at the time average in both 90’s and a few 100 does not usually warrant anywhere near that price tag .

I would play devils advocate on that. Records don’t always tell the full story especially if you are protecting what you think/is giving you the feel of a very good horse. Pros know what they are sitting on, and if they genuinely feel they are on a good one they will sell for that price at that time point fairly frequently.

So I could theoretically give benefit of the doubt on that. Plenty of expensive horses go on to disappoint.

BUT if it were really that good she should have been able to syndicate it legitimately via private connections. Rather than publicly beg and offer false promises. Which brings me to the conclusion it was never that good.