Stallion suggestions please :) *Pic to help*

From what I know Glenhill Gold's temperament is fab - Declan rode him all his life and adores him. Think his FB pics are simply tongue in cheek 'look at how funny he thinks he is' type of moments. If I were able to I would use him in a shot!!! Stud fee also incredibly reasonable when you think what he has done...not many horses that have competed and won at 2/3 star level and qualified 4 star are under the £500 bracket!
 
I have a mare by Glenhill Gold and she's the sweetest most easiest horse to work with :) She can be spooky but she doesn't have a bad bone in her, shes got a good trainable brain to. From what I've heard most of his offspring tend to be sweet and easy to work with.
 
vroutledge - thanks :) I looked at long acres samara fly and then completely forgot to add him to my list :p. he does have a bit of TB in his mix, again the only q being whether it would be enough! I looked at country farm stud's top gun and whilst he is lovely I just dont think he could improve on my mare as much as some other stallions.

eventrider23 - thanks :) good to know. I really like him and think he's beautiful but had to check after seeing that display :p.

Nicole - thankyou :). Do you mind me asking what breeding she has from her dam side? :).
 
What about Brendon studs Caretino Glory? He moves like a dressage horse, jumping grade A and he is light in frame so will refine your mare.
 
becca1305 said:
TBs:
One More Tiger ? - http://www.greatbrockhamhurststud.co.uk/onemoretiger.htm I can't find any pics of him jumping etc but have heard great reviews about him as a sire for eveners.
Hand in Glove - http://www.precihorses.com/horses/hand-in-glove.html (thankyou for the link Wainwrights :) )
Primitive Proposal - http://www.louellastud.co.uk/stallions/primitive-proposal
Mayhill (frozen) - http://www.teambleekman.co.uk/whorridge_stud_mayhill.html
Powerblade - http://www.harthillstud.com/power-blade.html - SJed to 1.3m
Stormhill Miller - http://www.harthillstud.com/stormhill-millerhorse.html
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Out of those, I would avoid Stormhill Miller as he tends towards similar conformational weaknesses as your mare (more upright shoulder and slightly straighter hock). Powerblade has the best shoulder, but looks quite heavy in front for a TB. One more tiger looks croup high, but the photograph is poor so may be misleading. I like all the others. I also really like Royaldik out of the non TBs. His trot is to die for.
 
Becca, sorry if I have missed that, but what do you know for certain about your (very lovely) mare's pedigree?

ETA - she looks incredibly similar to a mare I have, down to the weaknesses (upright shoulder and slightly straight through the hock) who is out of an Irish mare (ID x TB, with more ID possibly, but unrecorded breeding) by Orlando.
 
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Imafluffybunny - i will have a look :)

Wagtail- thanks thats really helpful :)

Ginnie- not huge amounts, shes not anything special on her bloodlines. She was bred in ireland. Her sire flash all I know is that he is ISHxTB. Her dam I cant find anything on online pedigree websites, but her damsire woodpas was a TB and from the info Im pretty sure her dam was a full TB.
 
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Nicole - thankyou :). Do you mind me asking what breeding she has from her dam side? :).
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I think her Dam was just a bog standard ISH (by the name of Copperbeech Diana), can't find any records of it ever competing etc So both sides of her breeding is IDxTB
 
Thanks nicole :) so a similar sort of weight to my girl or lighter? Im just trying to nab ideas from peoples experience as to if she would go well with him :p :D.
 
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Ginnie- not huge amounts, shes not anything special on her bloodlines. She was bred in ireland. Her sire flash all I know is that he is ISHxTB. Her dam I cant find anything on online pedigree websites, but her damsire woodpas was a TB and from the info Im pretty sure her dam was a full TB.
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I would be surprised if it was the whole picture.

It's just the colour that has me wondering - ***as far as I am aware*** & someone might be able to tell you otherwise, there is no tobiano in ID or TB lines (the couple of coloured racehorses around are not pure TB, the tobiano was imported from an outcross to a coloured warmblood).

There are 2 notorious lines of warmblood who carry tobiano (Samber & Oberon) and of course there is a lot of tobiano in cobs.

The tobiano gene is dominant - which means that it is always expressed in a horse that carries it (albeit sometimes minimally - Eventrider123 has just had a tobiano filly who has 4 stockings and a blaze and no other white) - it doesn't "hide" and therefore cannot reappear down a line of bay or chestnut horses. One of your mare's parents MUST have been tobiano, so there has to be more than just TB & ID in her bloodline - if she was bred in Ireland, it ***may*** be more likely to be a cob, than a coloured European warmblood.

The colour genetics mean that unless BOTH her parents were tobiano, then she cannot be homozygous for tobiano. So, statistically:

50% of a tobiano foal if covered by a plain coloured horse
75% of a tobiano foal if covered by a heterozygous tobiano horse
100% of a tobiano foal if covered by a homozygous tobiano horse

If I were trying to produce an eventer out of your mare, I would go for a pure TB with a lovely shoulder - Power Blade as mentioned before, or perhaps Watermill Swatch.

Good luck & let us know what you decide. Breeding is one of the most amazing and exciting thing you can do, every step of the way, from picking the stallion, to the birth, to sitting on your homebred for the first time (which we did yesterday with our 4 year old :D) and beyond... x
 
Thankyou for the info on colours :) really useful. Her sire is definitely a coloured :) but his sire and dam one is listed as ISH and the other TB. Im right in thinking that ISH can be used for a multitude of breed crosses? So quite feasibly cob in there poss WB.

EDIT : just managed to find her dam's lines online, she is pure TB :)
 
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Mostly ISH is ID x TB, but you are right, I think, any cross by a sire approved by the Irish Horse Board and out of a mare with Irish Horse Register full papers can be registered as ISH.

Irish breeders were notorious for being "relaxed" about breeding papers, registrations and keeping records... In fact there are very many Irish horses all over the world with no breeding info or the wrong papers... There is the old story of the breeding asking the buyer "who do you want her to be by, Sir?". They are straightening up and getting their act together now, but it's a bit late for a lot of the older horses. It would be useful for you to dig a bit deeper. Just so you know - especially if you are going to breed from her.

Sporthorse Ireland has a lot of info, freely accessible online nowadays and if you have the sire name, and the breeder's name, you might be able to find a record of her. Let me know if you need me to point you in the right direction x
 
Edit to add to above :also, with her sire I didn't explain properly. I only know half of his bloodlines which are ISH X TB, his dam is listed as unknown.

Thanks, I will have a look on sport horse ireland :). If anyone knows anything about Flash (her sire) by Rainbows End it would interesting to know but probably a long shot :). actually Im being compute illiterate again :o I don't suppose you have the link to their pedigree database or search engine thingymajig pls? :)
 
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yeh thats all I could find the 2009 one. thanks for the help :). if you happen to stumble across older records I would be very interested thanks but don't want to take up too much of your time :p :)
 
Look what I found!

http://www.theipsa.com/flash.htm

http://www.theipsa.com/RainbowsEnd.htm

No dam line recorded for Flash, but he isn't ISH, which is why he is not showing on sporthorse Ireland records, and neither is Rainbows End. They are both registered with the IPSA (Irish Piebald and Skewbald Association)

Rainbow's end stands in county Offaly in Ireland. Eothain (a member on here) lives in County Offaly and he might be able to help you. He is friendly and approachable and won't mind you sending him a pm, if you're interested in finding out more. :)
 
I think you missed my post re. Glenhill gold so will just re-post it :)

only_me said:
Glenhill gold is really, really nice!
I am sightly biased as I have a horse by him (bought from the people that own GHG) and is just the nicest horse to work with!
Don't forget GHG is a 3* winner and plenty of good results in his career, but completely rideable and I really can't stress how good his attitude is :) His progency is starting to compete now and of all the ones I have seen are really nice :)
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Also to add my horse would almost look like a national hunt tb if he was bay - the opinion of others!


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also does anyone happen to know anything about glen hill golds temperament/ease of ride? or offspring? theres a couple of pics on his fb page of him rearing right up, one where he has struck (possibly not entirely purposely) the man leading him. I know every horse can have its moments but just wanted to get a feel for him as temperament and trainability are very much key points for me :).
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All the ones I have seen by GHG have a fantastic temperament :) Certainly my horse has a fabulous one, the nicest horse I have ever dealt with, very easy to train and everything is fun for him - including today on the gallops he showed up his superb turn of foot by galloping up the track leaving the others in his wake - GHG appears to produce really nice horses that find galloping effortless :)
The pics on the site are of the trot up, led by declan (owner & rider) where a very very fit horse was showing off! He has a fab attitude and is easy to deal with.

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Nicole - thankyou :). Do you mind me asking what breeding she has from her dam side? :).
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Just to let you know, my horse is out of a tb mare :)

Imo, GHG is pretty cheap for what he has achieved!
 
sorry have been out all day, why does everything with horses take so long?! I left the house at 1.20pm (yard at bottom of my drive) and groomed mare and boxed up to go to lesson. I didn't get back inside until ten past blinking 9pm! I did clear out the box when I got back and feed and rug the 5some, but still! whole blinking day gone! At least it was a good lesson :D.

thankyou ginnie :D thats really awesome. I would hazard a guess theres cob in her sire :p. I can see parts of her in him, its really interesting :). He's 17hh though, I wonder if her dam was small as lily is only just over 16hh.

Only_me - thankyou :) sorry for missing your post earlier :o. thats really good to know, he is one of the top contenders on my list now :).
 
Up date shortlist:-


Top 5 that I like:

Currently my No1: Glenhill gold (only_me he is gorgeous I am in love with him :D and thank you to others who suggested him :).) Does anyone happen to know how to get hold of him by AI in england? the ballinteggart stud website isn't working :(. From my calculations and then roughly rounded up (rather than working in /32ths! :p) a foal out of my mare and him should be 7/10ths TB so should be enough blood :).

The other 4 in no particular order....
Opposition Heracles - I can't find any info about his progeny, does anyone know anything? any out competing?

Primitive proposal - nothing really I picked up on here. His progeny seem to be doing well eventing. Has anyone anything by him?

Grafenstolz - anyone know anything about his temperament? or temperament of offspring, particularly attitude to work, sharp/quirkiness? Again any offspring out eventing? particularly part TB dams?

Royaldik - on his stallion page he was listed as a good candidate to add blood to heavier mares & I love his movement. Again does anyone know of any progeny out competing? particularly out of non/part TB mares :).

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Other 4 I have down:
top 1 - Sir suave - I really want to see what he does BE this season before considering him. I really like his bloodlines though.

No particular order:

Powerblade - jumping 1.30ms = big + point, but as someone mentioned good shoulder but quite heavy fronted for TB and mare is already big chested.

Longacres samara fly - gorgeous, like the pic of him loose jumping. He hasn't done much jumping but has good bloodlines. The only thing really being can't find too much out about his youngstock, I think they are all young still. Is there anyway of searching how his young stock are doing in BEF futurities? The BEF - futurities information and results previous years - link isn't working. I think with favourable results from his young stock he would make up top 6 :).

Ustinov van elsenham - I love him, he has a pretty immense if short SJ BE record - 8 SJ clears out of 10 runs up to 1* level. He had one big boob XC at Nov (Elim) and one refusal/runout at 1* level but still made the time :). He is a WB so possibly not light enough for my chunky monster :( but he did still make the time across country after a stop/run out at 1* level so Im guessing he's pretty nippy? :). If 'light' enough he is another I would jump up my list to make a top 7 to then struggle to decide over :p.

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Mare has a great temperament, but equally I don't want to put her to something thats too temperamental/awkward to ride and/or handle so any reviews on temperaments also appreciated :).

Also these are mainly stallions that caught my eye, if any of them wouldn't be suited to improve on my mare conformationally, or certain ones are particularly suited then please let me know :p :D. Thanks everyone for all your help so far :).
 
I would be looking for something with a lot less bone than Glenhill Gold for your mare if I were you, or you are going to end up with a horse that doesn't gallop well.

Have you looked at Legrande?
 
hmm I did initially think that, but with limited info on him (ballinteggart stud website down) I looked up on a few of his progeny and there were a couple out of part/ non-TB mares doing well eventing (admittedly low level as all were quite young). One out of a SF mare if I remember rightly, and the pics on his FB page of them don't make them look too stocky. But this is not my area of expertise so willing to take opinions/ information on board :). My mare is at least 11/16ths TB (one half of sires breeding unknown), she just doesn't look it unfortunately or choosing would be easier! :D.

I did look at Legrande, his owner kindly sent me a PM about him, and he is a stunning boy with a hell of a jump. But I was worried because of his breeding that he wouldn't breed something with enough gallop when put to my heifer. I really appreciate all the guidance I get and I'm not being deliberately obtuse honest! but could you explain how he would be a better choice? I know he's more of a 'modern type' WB, but Im just finding it a little confusing tbh as I thought the general theme was that WBs wouldn't be likely to produce an eventer out of my mare. If you think WBs are an option what do you think to Ustinov van elsenham please? (just trying to get a feel for what will work and what won't!) . Thankyou :)
 
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Legrande is a beautiful stallion and the day I have a mare to suit himto have a youngster for my daughter to bring on for dressage (her passion) Iwill use him. But IMO he is far too extravegant to produce an event unless to a pure TB. I have 4 foals on the ground so far, 3 that typify what you want for for eventing, super light bold love to gallop. They are by my own Weston Justice, Grafenstoltz and Chilli Morning. The 4th although by a stallion promoted for eventing is by Royladik and is a lovely model but ponces grows roots and far rather pose than move. I sure it will by a lovely horse in the end as long as it is educated and I do love its movement when it goes which it does when confident but still has too much suspension to cover the ground.
 
I have a Primitive Proposal out of a 1/2 tb mare.

He is very blood (more tb type than my full tb!), has superb paces and more scope than he knows what to do with sometimes.
He is sensitive to ride but not sharp or malicious- he needs minimal aids and is very forward going.
He is admired by everyone who sees him (including many pro eventers) so it isn't just my rose tinted glasses, even though I think he is the best thing since sliced bread!

He is very tall (nearly 18hh) but both of his 1/2 brothers from the same mare are also over 17.2hh so think she throws rather huge horses!
I think he would add the blood and scope you want to improve your mare.

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HI, YOUR MARE LOOKS LOVELY AND THIS IS A BIT OF A WIERD QUESTION, WHAT SADDLE DO YOU USE ON HER!? MY MARE IS VERY SIMILAR IN CONFORMATION AND I AM HAVING HELL FINDING A SADDLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE BIG SHOULDER AND LOW WITHER - MY MARE IS ALSO A ISH X SO VERY SIMILAR TO LOOK AT ASWELL! SORRY THIS ISNT STALLION RELATED, BUT JUST SAW HER AND THOUGH I HAVE THE DOUBLE HERE AT HOME! GOOD LUCK WITH FINDING HER A MAN!!!!
 
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