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Are these BSJA legal?
I ride my horse in a mexican grackle I can not put a standing on this can i? Will I have to use a normal nose band?

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it really isnt a good idea to jump in a standing martingale, it doesn't 'give' when the horse tries to stretch over the jump. so the horse cannot fully use its back mid-air. so i doubt they would be legal. then again, i have no idea of BSJA rules.
 
I think they are legal as saw someone jumping BSJA in one over the weekend but REALLY wouldnt recommend jumping in one, not only for the reason live wire said above but also because if the horse trips and falls it cant get its head up to save itself (and obviously jumping theres an increased risk of tripping)
 
Most top showjumpers train there horses in a standing! In fact i went to a demonstration where it was recomended.
It doesn't restrict the horse whe jumping, if you watch a horse jump, when it is in the air its head goes between its legs, the standing is actually loose.
 
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In fact i went to a demonstration where it was recomended.
It doesn't restrict the horse whe jumping,

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Really I have to say I've never had a SJer recommend this me? Did they say why they were recommending them?? Benefits ect??

As for restricting the horse while jumping - there has to be an element of restriction surely
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I would not use one for jumping in, if the horse can not have its head it may panic and start jumping poorly, refusing etc
 
Not getting into a debate over the rights and wrongs of using one ...

but if you do decide to attach it to a cavesson noseband and consider using one with an elastic insert in
 
i think it really does depend on the horse...! i would rather jump in a standing that have my nose broken once a week !
plus if the horse dont like it, u very quickly know !
and as long as the horse can get it's head up high enuff to see the fence b4 take off , it wont restrict it over the fence...!

imho !
 
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Most top showjumpers train there horses in a standing! In fact i went to a demonstration where it was recomended.

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I wonder what they think the benefits are?
 
"Jumping in a standing martingale can lead to a horse tensing its back muscles and moving "flat," especially over fences, all of which put undue pressure on the horse's spine, reduce the shock-absorbing capacity of the leg anatomy, and can over time lead to lameness."
found that! enough for me not to use one jumping hun
 
It doesn't actually make any difference to the actual jump, it helps with before and after. Going into the jump it stops the horse getting too long, helps them to get underneath themselves. when landing it will again stop them getting long.

I was advised by my riding instructer to ride Jack in one at shows, was very apprehensive and worried what people would thing. Did loads of research. If your looking you do see alot of people using them.
 
Also just too add, i have found with Jack i only need to use it every now and then as a reminder. His jump has come on in leaps and bounds. Obviosly everycase is different, it isn't a quick fix, or something you want to rely on!
 
I fail to understand how any martingale can stop a horse from going too long into a fence - but stand to be corrected. Landing yes - due to the restriction imposed over the fence, and the resulting shortening of the frame because of that restriction.

Like all things - used properly I don't see a problem up to a certain height.

But as we all know - show jumpers just love to winch the heads in........
 
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But as we all know - show jumpers just love to winch the heads in........

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cue lots of showjumpers..................!!
 
Flintus - spot on, i was just about to search for such info!

Jackster - But it only helps the horse get underneath themselves when backed up with lots of flatwork - leg and seat. otherwise you are just cranking the head in and diving them onto the forehand. its a bit like the draw rein debate.
i, personally wouldn't use one, each to their own. but i would worry about the decreased ability of the horse to get itself out of tricky situations. i dont understand the thought that people should be encouraged to use them, as you have seen at demos, could cause alot of problems when not backed up with the correct riding. *(And i am in no way making comment to your riding skills etc, as i dont know you and am sure you used it correctly etc.)*
 
but to stop a horse getting too long into the fence should be done by lots of flat work - working on transitions to get the horse under itself, and variations within the pace. I dont think a standing martigale should be used to do that.
 
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But as we all know - show jumpers just love to winch the heads in........

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cue lots of showjumpers..................!!

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its true tho - my friend is competing both her Grade As currently and she schools them in a bungee all the time with their heads tightly wedged in. One youngster she had (which she sold to my YO) she rode in a bungee all the time and the poor thing could hardly use its back properly and didnt even know how to stretch out.
 
i agree to an extent - i saw a horse once at a local show and it looked like he jumped with his head tucked in! cant be good.

i want to jump frankie in the future but the guy that rode him before me just used to tuck his head in. hes so stiff, im just going to work on the flat for months before thinking of jumping. i tend to do things the old fashioned way - lots and lots of schooling! xxx
 
Agree completely P_G - schooling schooling and more schooling

I'm all for gadgets used in the right circumstances but NOT when it can put the horse into a potentially dangerous situation. Picture the horse tripping and falling with a standing on if it pecks after a jump, it cant get its head up to save itself...cue the horse somersaulting and a possible broken neck. Of course thats the extreme but i would be too worried about the horse not being able to get itself out of a tricky situation to use one jumping.
 
Did i say i wasn't using loads of leg etc! I used it with the advise of my highly reguarded instrutor, she showed my how to make the best safe use of it etc...
As i said it doesn't suite everyone, i'm only giving my opinion.

The Showjumper that recomended it was Geoff Billington, at a demo. Other jumpers i have seen using them are:
John Whitaker
Robert "
Ben Mayher..............the list goes on!
 
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