Standing Martingale

I wouldn't have thought his head movement was sever enough for a standing in that video, I wouldn't put one on if I were the rider but that might just be me
 
That was a really nice round and it really does not look like you need a standing martingale. The only thing I can see wrong with it is that you are holding him into much, which is why it may seem that his head is too high. If you allow him to go forward more than the head should be lower.
 
Definitely agree!
I am not dead against using a standing but from what I could see in the video you have no need for one.
 
Agree cant see much from that video which would warrent wanting a standing martingale - unless of course your just wanting to stick his head in to look like his has that bouncy canter that good SJ horses have, which again is not from gadgets but from simple schooling and getting them working from behind more...

Ive been working on getting this canter with my mare and we are getting there..and shes just got a simple snaffle in and no martingales..all from simple schooling and dressage!!!
 
why cant you use a running martingale again? i cant be arsed to look through all the posts! yes his head was quite 'up' at times but not crazily so. nothing that lots of schooling cant fix! (or maybe fix!) xx
 
Ditto Weezy, there's nothing wrong there IMO. He's not trying to take off with you and only really tossing his head up a little.

Maybe instead of resorting to gadgets you should just spend the money on some lessons.
 
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best money ive spent so far! id rather have lessons then resort to a gadget any day xxx
 
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Maybe instead of resorting to gadgets you should just spend the money on some lessons.

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best money ive spent so far! id rather have lessons then resort to a gadget any day xxx

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Unfortunatly there is a gadget for most things and quite a few people see it as the easy and cheper route to help cover up their problems. But I agree, money well spent!
 
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Isnt that pic is with a running martingale...

http://www.pegasus-photographic.co.uk/Event/Solihull_28_02_07/web/1/pages/_SPG9784.htm
 
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I don't think they're a good idea for jumping, and have never seen them used jumping and think i is just an excuse for not wanting to put the effort in to school the horse

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I so don't agree with that. Some horses have been ridden a certain way and that is how they go, and it doesn't matter what you do they aren't going to change. Yes I could attempt to reschool my horse for the next 3 years, but why? She isn't going to be any better at the end of it, she isn't going to be any healthier, she isn't going to live longer and I am going to have 3 miserable years of not doing very well. So what exactly is the point?

If she is happy, not in pain or 'danger' and performing very well what is the problem with wearing a standing martingale. This comes down to the same blinkered view that all horses should be ridden in a snaffle. Misinformed equine snobbery at its worse.
 
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weezy how can you see that??!

*with glasses and squinting i still cant see!*

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She must have magic eyes which magnify things, because I can't see it either
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Sorry but I cannot see from that vid why your horse needs a standing martingale.... to me it looks like you're holding him back/he isn't going freely forward and he wants to - hence putting his head up a bit (but not excessively). A standing martingale is not going to make him go along on the bit or overbent (depending on your opinion) like some of the pro showjumpers horses

I thought he went round very calmly....
 
Well, I do like to see horses in a snaffle where possible
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But yes, sometimes they need something else, but my im is always to have as little as is possible and if I have to add something else, school whilst using to try and get it off. just MHO though and I'll be first to admit I haven't ridden loads and loads of different horses.
 
He only throws his head about in that video when he becomes unbalanced- I am no expert but if he were mine I would be working on his balance not bothering with a standing martingale
 
Don't get me wrong I definately think they serve a purpose- I would'nt hesitate using one if I thought it was needed. I just think that sometimes it makes sense to have the basics in place first i.e. a balanced canter.
 
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i think *if im wrong say* that to measure one when it isnt attached to the cavesson you need to be able to lift it up to the horses gullet (under the cheeks - hopefully you know that place i mean!) and it needs to touch there.

*is this right?*

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That is what I was taught. I am guessing (well hoping) it is correct.

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Hmm, i was taught that you had to be able to lift it up to the gullet when it IS attached to the noseband, which would be about another 4-6 inches longer, wouldn't it?
Watching the video, a properly fitted standing wouldn't actually do anything as his head doesn't come all that high.
Just my opinion though...
 
I was also taught that it should come to the gullet when attached to the cavesson. I hunt one of mine in a standing, happy mouth and plain cavesson. She hates the action on her mouth from a running but does throw her head right up and has been known to flip backwards when in a running to get away from it. I cannot jump her at all without one because she throughs her head straight into my face and runs straight into the fence/hedge. She competes successfully at elemetary dressage so don't really think it's a schooling issue just a hunting one!

I would add that from your vid it doesn't look like yours would even notice the action from a correctly fitted one.
 
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Ditto Weezy, there's nothing wrong there IMO. He's not trying to take off with you and only really tossing his head up a little.

Maybe instead of resorting to gadgets you should just spend the money on some lessons.

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I have lesons once a week x and he is improving but havnt managed to drop any tack yet jumped last nite over jacobs ladder started with standing the took it of but i did have the caverson and grackle on it seemed to work well he jumped height 5ft width 6ft6 bless he was well behaved not done jacobs ladder before think ther scarier than they look ! xx
 
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I was also taught that it should come to the gullet when attached to the cavesson. I hunt one of mine in a standing, happy mouth and plain cavesson. She hates the action on her mouth from a running but does throw her head right up and has been known to flip backwards when in a running to get away from it. I cannot jump her at all without one because she throughs her head straight into my face and runs straight into the fence/hedge. She competes successfully at elemetary dressage so don't really think it's a schooling issue just a hunting one!

I would add that from your vid it doesn't look like yours would even notice the action from a correctly fitted one.

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Remember guys the video is indoor i mentioned earlier i have a much bigger problem when it is outdoor i ride him more into the bridle now thar was one of our first shows! i will video him jumping in the week and see what u all think thank sfor all your advice but i will just do what works best it might not help now he is more settled who knows xx
 
Ow and just 2 add i would rather put my horse in a standing rather than doping him ect.. as i do know of ppl who do this and totally disagree insted of schooling they just dope there horse for a show ! i ride for a hour evrynight mostly schooling also have a lesson once a week of an international showjumper !!! please dont say that i am doing wrong also it os only tempory my horse learns quick and will not need it on for long ! x
 
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height 5ft width 6ft6 bless he was well behaved not done jacobs ladder before think ther scarier than they look ! xx

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And the point of jumping this big at home when your only doing BN/Discovery is???? what a nightmare...noth said...
 
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