Steve young training a dog

[skinnydipper]

Out of interest what behaviour are dogs showing when they look 'guilty' when they have done something,

Appeasement.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Why would people just happen to be taking videos coming in through the door anyway, unless they knew there was something worth videoing. Most of those folks have seen what's happened already then gone out and staged a surprise.

Dogs are non verbal and can detect extremely subtle changes in mood and body language and act accordingly.
We're supposed to be the intelligent species, and yet we think it's enough to pretend not to be angry.

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

Why would people just happen to be taking videos coming in through the door anyway, unless they knew there was something worth videoing. Most of those folks have seen what's happened already then gone out and staged a surprise.

Dogs are non verbal and can detect extremely subtle changes in mood and body language and act accordingly.
We're supposed to be the intelligent species, and yet we think it's enough to pretend not to be angry.

Very good point re: the filming, makes complete sense!

 

[maisie06]

I stopped going to large official group training as the dogs were all so sad, no eye contact, shut down. Surely it’s meant to be fun for them too?

One thing the trainer I go to places great importance on is eye contact, and she's very quick to recognise if a dog is shutting down on someone, she's actually refused to train some people because they are too short tempered and heavy handed...our mantra is "if you are stressed out DON'T train just go for a walk instead or put the dog back in the kennel"

 

[Caol Ila]

I'm not a dog person, and even I can see that the dog doesn't look happy. The tail clamped against her butt is obvious.

What does he mean when he keeps repeating, "There's nothing in it for her. There's nothing in it."

 

[Clodagh]

One thing the trainer I go to places great importance on is eye contact, and she's very quick to recognise if a dog is shutting down on someone, she's actually refused to train some people because they are too short tempered and heavy handed...our mantra is "if you are stressed out DON'T train just go for a walk instead or put the dog back in the kennel"

I’m having real trouble getting eye contact with Red. This is so off topic ?. She will look at my hands, as we had a treat fest to get recall.
Now I’m teaching stop and direction she just won’t look at me properly. She has just never had that connection I don’t think. She will maybe glance at my face then her eyes skitter off again.
With much waiting with the fluffy ball she is learning it doesn’t get thrown to her until she looks at me properly. It’s slow going. She’ll get there. She is obsessed with fluffy ball ?.

 

[CorvusCorax]

I'm not a dog person, and even I can see that the dog doesn't look happy. The tail clamped against her butt is obvious.

What does he mean when he keeps repeating, "There's nothing in it for her. There's nothing in it."

I haven't listened but I'm guessing he means there's nothing in it for her when she pulls, IE she gets nowhere. You can achieve the same by just stopping or changing direction and not manhandling the dog.
Dogs only generally do what they think improves their position or makes their life easier/what is in their best interests and that is what most training systems are based on.

 

[skinnydipper]

It's not going to end well when he tries it with a fearful dog who, in my opinion, is more likely to bite than a confident dog.

 

[AmyMay]

I’m having real trouble getting eye contact with Red. This is so off topic ?. She will look at my hands, as we had a treat fest to get recall.
Now I’m teaching stop and direction she just won’t look at me properly. She has just never had that connection I don’t think. She will maybe glance at my face then her eyes skitter off again.
With much waiting with the fluffy ball she is learning it doesn’t get thrown to her until she looks at me properly. It’s slow going. She’ll get there. She is obsessed with fluffy ball ?.

A friend has a fabulous little terrier mix (since a puppy). Wonderful, loving home. Refuses to make eye contact. It’s just too direct for him.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Some dogs don't like to be stared at.

I don't want my dogs to look directly in my face when they are doing focused heeling as I'd be tripping over them/they'd be too far out in front, because I have to look up to see where I am going.
Sitting in front, yes, fine. That can be done either by not rewarding until they are looking at my face (which is what I prefer, indirect reward) also you can tuck a ball under your chin or as some of my friends do, pop food in your mouth and spit it out at them

 

[Clodagh]

Some dogs don't like to be stared at.

I don't want my dogs to look directly in my face when they are doing focused heeling as I'd be tripping over them/they'd be too far out in front, because I have to look up to see where I am going.
Sitting in front, yes, fine. That can be done either by not rewarding until they are looking at my face (which is what I prefer, indirect reward) also you can tuck a ball under your chin or as some of my friends do, pop food in your mouth and spit it out at them

The food thing no way but I’ll try the gobby ball chin hold ?

 

[CorvusCorax]

If I may make a suggestion, it may be that you are not marking before the reward, so I mark a behaviour with a YEP (or word of choice!), then it doesn't matter from whence the reward comes, because I have marked it. If you are just rewarding for a behaviour without the mark, then they will just read your body language and look wherever they expect the reward to come from, it's something I've had to work very hard on as my timing wasn't great so my dog was always looking at my hands or pockets, as that's where the good stuff came from. Now she will bounce in front of me and look in my face, as that is how she believes she gets food. She is 'operating' me, or so she believes, and I am rewarding nice engagement.

 

[Clodagh]

If I may make a suggestion, it may be that you are not marking before the reward, so I mark a behaviour with a YEP (or word of choice!), then it doesn't matter from whence the reward comes, because I have marked it. If you are just rewarding for a behaviour without the mark, then they will just read your body language and look wherever they expect the reward to come from, it's something I've had to work very hard on as my timing wasn't great so my dog was always looking at my hands or pockets, as that's where the good stuff came from. Now she will bounce in front of me and look in my face, as that is how she believes she gets food. She is 'operating' me, or so she believes, and I am rewarding nice engagement.

I do say ‘yes’. My timing is naturally very poor though ?

 

[CorvusCorax]

I do say ‘yes’. My timing is naturally very poor though ?

Come train with me and have me shout MARK THEN MOVE! GET YOUR HANDS OUT OF YOUR POCKETS! at you.
It's great fun, everyone loves me....

9/10 people already are moving or are on their way to their pockets before they mark verbally so the dog believes that movement is the mark, if that makes sense!

 

[Thundering]

There is another video on his facebook page where he talks about the video of him training the spaniel, Hes busy congratulating himself for what a good job he did! Pity he has completely no idea what hes doing.