stopped by the police on my horse!!

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on the producer he crossed out where it said car reg and make and put large white horse!!

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You are pulling my leg, I hope!

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I hope so too, because surely the point of the producer is to identify the vehicle accurately (make/model reg no) to ensure that the driver can produce the relevant documents.
If the police were to be allowed to use them on horses, they would have to do better than 'large white.' That's a pig.
They would have to produce a description which would tally with a passport, potentially - ie 'Bay gelding, 16.2hh, two white socks, freezmarked ****' other wise it would be... erm ... a totally pointless exercise.
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Good lord, glad you and Jack are ok.
What a complete TWAT!!! argh! sometime they really DONT have anything better to do.
Please complain!
 
I am very sorry to read about this incident.

However much one is tempted to do siiI do not think it is a good idea to voice your displeasure by using your whip or verbal means to any motorist who one feels is driving to close or dangerously (although I appreciate that we are all tempted to do it in a fit of rage) as sometimes the motorists may do a revenge attack and for instance may reverse in to the horse.
Always ride defensively even if the drivers are being total idiots.

Aways avoid putting your horse in danger.

However the driver failed to slow down despite your hand signal and passed you too fast so I would agree that they should be reported and I would suggest that you write to the Chief Constable of the County you live in and suggest that they re-take their driving course.

I find that the vast majority of drivers of emergency vehicles and drivers in general do drive carefully when the see horses but of course there will always be a minority who drive stupidly or aggresively or just do not appreciate that there may be a horse round the next corner.

This was not a pleasant incident and I am sure that the police officers concerend are probably only to well aware of the consequences of their actions if they are reported to their superiors.
 
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well jack is very very fat at the moment
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I would write a factual and objective letter to Horse & Hound anda see if they print it too, nothing like getting some national coverage?

You should definitely report the policemen, what jobsworth arseholes they must be.
 
as silly as this will sound when i said idiot i was in the middle of a conversation with jack (que men in white coats) and i was saying it more to jack than to the car . when i put my whip out what i mean by this is i have a schooling whip with a bright yellow flap at the end that i move so that it gives us the clearance that we need between a horse and car i do this as soon as i hear a car coming so the whip was already in that postition when he came round the slight bend.
 
Make a formal complaint and also report this story to your local paper !!

They put you in danger - if they had asked me to stop like that with lorries etc passing on a busy road my pony would go mad she hates having to stand on the road for long periods.

I am so shocked, that is disgusting !!

And hilarious that they asked for his passport - ignorance plain and simple. _ probably trying to prove a point as he knew really HE was in the wrong for speeding past you. Tosser
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I am shocked by what I have read. Whilst the bahviour of these two officers is beyond belief, technically, in part, they had every right to stop you.

A horse must be traffic proof to be ridden on the highway. I am sure this is detailed in the BHS R&Rs test, and by insurance companies. To the untrained eye, your 'shoulder in' coupled with mouthing and gesture with whip may have given the impression that you weren't in full control of your horse... (horse going into road, rider taking hand off of reins), which could be an offence in itself.

I use hand signals myself, and have found them to be of good effect, though I have bene told by other riders that this may be seen as arrogant (safe, surely? not arrogant!)

They also do have the right to ask for his passport. I know of NO driver who carries his licence with him (incase it gets stolen). A passport must be with the horse when he/she is travelled by box, but not when being hacked, and the police have the right to ask for you to produce it at a station.


you have grounds to complain on the basis of the officer's driving and speeding. If they don't know about horses they wouldnt have thought twice about using their lights. On a busy road it is other drivers they need to be concerned about, not just one person with a horse.


You could try a complaint, but I doubt you'd get too far with it. IME I am sure they recieve these letters and use them in a log burner to warm the station... I have never had a reply, when you phone (the officer you want) won't be there and won't phone you back. You might get lucky, but I wouldnt count on it.
 
Well, I've heard some daft things in my time, but this really takes the biscuit!!! I laughed when I read it, then really thought about it all and couldn't quite believe it.

It seems that policemen get very upset if you don't do what they expect you to. I made the mistake of overtaking a police car doing 50mph on the motorway and was pulled over and lectured about my speed, getting too close to the other car etc. Ridiculous!!

But this one is SO silly, I agree you should complain and write letters to the papers etc. What a waste of police time and resources, and how dare they upset a law abiding road user like this!!
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PS - I'm an ex copper!!!
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That has made me LOL!
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I don't think they should have made you dismount, because you obviously have more control when mounted. However, they probably didn't like having to look up at you. When you have recovered your composure I would be tempted to write a letter to the Chief Constable, suggesting politely that his officers look into the law regarding horses on the road and common sense safety.

Pedantic: What would you suggest? Your post is yet another rambling rant. Step away from the Daily Mail...
 

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But DEFRA website says:
It is now an offence for an owner to:

export a horse
use a horse for the purposes of competitions
move a horse to the premises of a new keeper
present for slaughter for human consumption
sell a horse
use a horse for breeding purposes
if the horse is not accompanied by a valid passport.

So, If you don't do any of these activities with your horse and aren't planning to, technically you don't legally need to have a passport, surely?! The DEFRA website isn't clear about who and why someone is entitled to request to see a horses passports, and I would seriously question (in any complaint) the validity of the officers request, especially in light of the dodgy 'producer', lack of microchip scanner and ineptitude of the person at the station who looked at it?!
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That's true, but I suspect you'd have a hard job trying to argue that with the police. No-one has to carry a passport when hacking but I suspect if the police ask to see it with a certain time you would have to show it
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ETA: does that mean i don't have to have a passport for the horse I don't compete or travel?
 
Until I moved yards a couple of years ago, I hacked out on a fairly busy main road...and it was fairly standard for police and ambulances (never the fire brigade though) to fly past my friend and I with sirens, lights, etc.
TBH, it never bothered my horse (I backed her next to a railway line
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I think you should scan the producer note for us all to have a giggle at.
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This is insane.....don't stop at the local paper, send copies to the tabloids and the Guardian, Independent, Telegraph.... all the ones that like to point out that we're living in a police state.

is there a tame lawyer on the forum who could help you sue the policeman for endangering your horse by a) speeding past you (his behaviour, and failure to deny it means he's accepted that he did?) and b) for endangering him by making you stand in traffic while he kept his lights on, which is insane.

make a big, big, big fuss, it's worth it.

good luck

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Thanks amymay for posting the link. please see my new post for the result of that incident. Definately worth a complaint.
 
I also think you should scan producer and put it on here, have spoken to my OH who is currently at home studying for his Sargeants exam and is wondering if he needs to revise a new statute in law that has magically missed him by. Not sure if you have already contacted the Police Station but please ask to speak to the to the Duty Officer asap, also check the force website and see who their press officer is and speak to them.
Good job OH or I wasn't rding out on our horse ( a failed police horse) might have brought back bad memories of his training
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On a lighter note I was at a set of lights coming off the motorway on the sliproad, with a policecar blues and 2ing upbehind me but they turned them off when they saw a trailer with horse in it. Shame they can't all be as sensible as that.
 
I agree with this, you need to make a huge fuss not just because of the pathetic waste of yours and the police's time(when they should have been catching REAL CRIMINALS - there musn't have been any speeding motorists today besides themselves!!!!). Aside from my low opinion of police priorites in general, their actions could have directly caused a massive accident and then they placed you, your horse and other road users in danger by making you stop and dismount. Anyone who knows horses knows that just because you declare you horse "in control" enough to take in traffic under saddle does not mean you would take it in hand on the road - You don't have so much as half the control over the horse. Imagine the destruction and possible fatalities had the horse been the type to pull away from you. You ought to sue and they need making an example of.
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That's the North Wales police for you!!! I live Pwllheli way so will be very interested to hear the outcome of this. Forget making a complaint with your local police station, you need to go straight to the main office, I have the address for this if you need it.

I would DEFINATLY also go to the papers.
 
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My my, hasn't it rattled everyones cage, seems to have struck a nerve
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if you make a derogitary sweeping comment about a certain profession (on a forum where many of the members work within that profession) you're bound to upset people.
 
The Chief Constable of the North Wales Police is Richard Brunstrom and he is a famous Looney. The condition sounds as though its contagous within his ranks.

If you want to know what the nutter has been upto in the past, simply google in the name and it will explain the behaviour of his officers.

I think that if this rider was to recount her tale to the right people in the manner that she has so clearly expressed herself, then this would be enough to have these ignorant men nailed to the floor, and quite rightly so.
There are bad apples in all professions and these two quite obviously fall into this category. Power mad bullys.
 
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On a lighter note I was at a set of lights coming off the motorway on the sliproad, with a policecar blues and 2ing upbehind me but they turned them off when they saw a trailer with horse in it. Shame they can't all be as sensible as that.

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But good that some of them are.... which is worth remembering when there are others who are not only hassled at the time, but are then picked on as nauseam later as revenge for complaining, which is well out of order....

So when your OH gets to be Chief of Police, he can make sure all officers are horse-friendly


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Aside from the obvious disgust at the way you were treated, I am actually very impressed that police officers even knew that horses had passports. I would think that very few would know. Trading Standards and Ministry Officials (ie Defra) are the only ones who would be interested in your passports aside from vets and show organisers/bodies.

I find it incredible that they asked for it and even more so that they asked you to produce it at the police station.
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What a horrendous story. I would be fuming. If you'd had a more difficult horse, those lights and sirens could have put you and the horse in a VERY difficult situation.
I often see police zipping along the roads, many times over the speed limit. I suppose they could be going to an incident but........
They should read up on how to deal with horses on the road. I am surprised it isn't a mandatory part of their training.
Glad you put in a formal complaint. Could you chase it up in a while to make sure they have done something about it, and what action has been taken?
 
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