stopped by the police on my horse!!

pity then that the Police aren't as good at asking illegal immigrants for passports !

think the whole thing is disgraceful but nothing much more than can be expected of that particular police area - well known to both the 'serious' and the tabloid newspapers

I'd definitely goto the papers, complain to the area commander and H&H letter for your bottle of champers

overall though I think your horse is a star to have put up with this and not freaked out - polos to your horse
 
My word, I am shocked! Report it immediately. THEY could of caused a serious accident by using there lights and sighren, They could of spooked Jack. And Its rediculous, I am thirteen and I already know that when a rider or a cyclists waves there arm at you. Its to slow you down. Common sense.
 
Hope you will follow this up and let us no what happens.The reason the police wanted you to get off your horse is because They like to look down on you it puts them in a more dominant position
But to show they do have a sense of humour this was posted on the Giant Schnauzer forum a while back
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My other half has just got back from exercising our youngest Giant bitch on the bike. It had gone dark and he had no lights on, but he was using a very brightly lit cycle path that runs parrallel to a main road. He had seen one of our senior members of the community come onto the road and begin to drive cautiously (slow!!)
He thought that he would see if Greta could keep up with her, and in fact they even overtook the nice lady. Next minute blue flashing lights came from nowhere and Kevin thought they were going to pull the lady over for her driving. NO... they pulled along side Kevin and asked him to stop. He laughed and jokingly said my brakes off and she was still pulling me"
The nice officer then replied about him not having any lights, to which the reply came "no actually, do you know what speed you were doing?"
Kev replied with "well I was in top gear and pedalling (with a big smirk on his face),
"well actually you were doing 33mph in a 30 mph zone!!".
His fellow officer wanted to know what the hell is it??? To which Kevin replied "a Giant Schnauzer in show training, beats the hell out of any German Shepherd doesn't it!!!!!"


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If they don't know about horses they wouldnt have thought twice about using their lights. On a busy road it is other drivers they need to be concerned about, not just one person with a horse.

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If they don't know and understand about all other road users, fully they should not be on the road in an official capacity!
'Sorry, Sarg, but I just wiped out a bicyclist on the A999, no idea how wobbly those things were. Alarming isn't it, Sarg? Oh and a couple of pedestrians down in Letsby Avenue, tricky to spot, those little ones, aren't they. Had no idea they were even allowed to walk down there ....' Please.
 
"Oscar sierra to 1-1, just spotted a strange 4 legged thing on the B735. Call for backup"

"have we got a description?"

" it's about 6ft, large and white, looks a bit like a cow, but surely can't be? "

"pull it over and check it's tyres and tax disk"
 
I don't know how much training those particular officer have had - obviously some as they at least knew horses should have passports.

Why did they keep their blue lights on? Because if they are stationary in the road (and a fast road at that) no doubt their training has told them they must, for their own health and safety and that of other road users.

Were they right to ask for the passport? - I think they were - most producers have a space for 'other documents' and that is the box they should have ticked, no you don't need to carry it with you, but you should be able to produce it within a reasonable timeframe

Were they right to have an attitude with you? No, not very professional, however some will apply the 'attitude' test, and if you have been anti with them (and mouthing stuff at passing cars will do it) they might react to that.

I do think you should complain though, and perhaps offer your time to talk to officers on a training day about the effects of sirens and blue lights on horses.
 
when i went to the station the woman at the desk took the producer off me. hubby has just got home and left for the station dont think i can repeat his words as they are very unlady like and i'd turn the forum blue.
 
i think they acted v unprofessionally, i too use my schooling whip to create space between myself & a car (i always hold it like that, unless using it) & i talk to Linx whilst im riding - having a general conversation or giving him an earful as he's being an arse!

i always go out it full on reflective/flourescent but i had a police car come speeding round a corner (no lights/sirens) just very fast even though the car that was infornt had breaked & police car would of seen him break (there are horse signs all the way the hill).

in RE: to passports if they want them produced they surely need to know what their looking for to make it worth doing i.e. you really need to take the horse with you so they can check every detail!!
 
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My my, hasn't it rattled everyones cage, seems to have struck a nerve
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if you make a derogitary sweeping comment about a certain profession (on a forum where many of the members work within that profession) you're bound to upset people.

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What derogitary statement ?
 
I must admit I was gobsmacked when I read your post. You were lucky that your horse was not completely freaked by their behaviour. I feel very strongly that you should complain about their attitude. I know a lot of police officers and find most of them very helpful. That said I was assulted by an inspector a few years ago whilst I was doing my job. I complained to the Chief Constable and was invited to go for a meeting with an Assistant Chief Constable. I was basically told I was a liar but in a round about way, however I had four independant witnesses to back me up and got an apology. This particular inspector now gives me a very wide berth much to the amusement of his colleagues. So go for it!!!
 
'never in 54 years on this planet have "I" met a bright copper yet, I'm sure they have to have an NVQ in being thick to get in the force, lets face it, any body with intelligence isn't going to go in the force to start with'

You wouldn't consider this to be in anyway insulting, unpleasant or just downright rude then?
I would.
 
Notice the quotation marks around the "I", that doesnt mean there aren't any, just "I" havent met any, I'm not going to lie just to please people, you have to ask the question why would any intelligent person want to do a continually confrontational thankless job with legislation tying both hands behind your back where people verbally and physically abuse you daily and all they get from some brain dead octegenarian judge is a slap on the wrist for all your trouble leaving you with a pile of paperwork, the clever pepes are going to do something more rewarding.
 

let's go with your second sentence then:

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I'm sure they have to have an NVQ in being thick to get in the force, lets face it, any body with intelligence isn't going to go in the force to start with'

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are you saying that those members of HHO who happen to be in the force have no intelligence?
 
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is there a tame lawyer on the forum who could help you sue the policeman for endangering your horse by a) speeding past you (his behaviour, and failure to deny it means he's accepted that he did?) and b) for endangering him by making you stand in traffic while he kept his lights on, which is insane.

make a big, big, big fuss, it's worth it.

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Seriously???
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let's go with your second sentence then:

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I'm sure they have to have an NVQ in being thick to get in the force, lets face it, any body with intelligence isn't going to go in the force to start with'

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are you saying that those members of HHO who happen to be in the force have no intelligence?

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Dont know, I havent met them that I know of, but unfortunately going by the percentage of the ones I have, about 90% of them must have, so things dont look too good.

Lets look at this from a logical veiw, most people who become Doctors want to heal people, most people who become Paramedics want to save people, most people who become nurses want to help people, people who become traffic wardens, security gaurds, police, baliffs, prison officers, wheel clampers must enjoy confrontation and control over people, why else would you want to do it, certainly not for the money.
 
at the end of the day i dont want money . i want to make sure that this doesn't happen to anyone else ever again as next time the horse might not be as good as jack and someone could get killed.
 
maybe to protect people?


have you considered in that narrow little mind of yours that some people just go for a job that suits them? A traffic warden may have been on JSA 6 months ago and gone for the job because it is A job. Or would you rather the taxpayer pay to keep them to sit on their backsides because heaven forbid they get a job that you might consider makes them a bully.

Some nurses hurt people, but you don't say that 90% are evil twisted beings do you?
My OH used to be a security guard, he certainally isnt controlling. The job paid bloody good money and he enjoyed meeting people. His brother is a prison officer. Again, the pay is good and he enjoys the work (working with interesting people, helping to rehabilitate them, he says the buzz he gets when an ex con is released with 3 A levels and a promising future makes all the crap worth it).


out of interest what is it YOU do for a living? pen pusher?
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'people who become traffic wardens, security gaurds, police, baliffs, prison officers, wheel clampers must enjoy confrontation and control over people, why else would you want to do it, certainly not for the money'

Please don't judge people by your own standards. The reason i gave up a successful job in the West End, and took a drop in pay, and signed myself up for 30 years of anti social hours dealing with the problems that nobody else seems prepared to face is because I have a strong sense of civic duty, because I wanted to help underdogs that more selfish people can simply turn their back on, because i wanted to contribute to my local community, amongst other reasons.

As a bonus I have had the priviledge of working with some of the most selfless dedicated and courageous people you could ever hope to meet.
 
3 a levels, oh goody they can all become bobbys and ask to see my assport, dont see what my occupation has to do with how other people carry out their jobs, or how badly, def not a pen pusher, why dont we play a game, you have a go at some amusing guesses just to brighten up the night, lets see if you can make us all laff with some imaginative tries
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OK... Let me try and put a perspective on this incident, and hopefully assist you!

First of all.... your priority is to bring this matter to the IPCC of your local force... being North Wales Police.
Secondly ... going to the papers, will not bring you a result to the unfortunate incident.
Third.... ALL the emergency services...drive and adhere to something known as ROADCRAFT... and all get the same training and set of rules to abide by.... regardless of what as already been posted here.....when approaching a high risk situation...in this case "Horse and Rider/mount", the blues and two's as we know them....GET CANCELLED...THE SIREN GOES OFF....however circumstances state sometimes the lights stay on.

To resolve this incident...
You need to make a clear note whilst the incident is fresh in your mind. You then need to call the non emergency line for your force area, and ask to speak to the PAD desk (Public Assistance Desk), when you get through you need to ask to report a High Speed Near Miss incident involving a Police Vehicle - Taking place on the public highway.
PLEASE stay calm and clear when reporting the incident, have your notes to hand. Tell the officer taking the complaint you want the incident bringing to the attention of the force complaints bureau.
Explain that you mouthed "idiot" and for this you apologise, however you have had to contact a vet friend due to having a highly distressed horse.
Make it clear that you were stopped by a unmarked police vehicle, whilst mounted, the vehicle in question used blues and two's in contravention of the Roadcraft driver training course, and caused your horse to react further endangering the public and other motorists as well as yourself.... due to the inconsiderate and DANGEROUS use of two tone sirens.
Explain that you were stopped in a dangerous road position, NOT IN THE REQUIRED PLACE OF SAFETY, and when you requested to move your horse to a place of safety for the consideration of others, the officer declined and kept you in a continuing "place of danger". ALSO state clearly that the officers when requested to cancel the blue lights due to the distress being caused to your equine partner, REFUSED and insisted the lights would remain on, causing further distress and confusion to your horse, and further ENDANGERING the public.
Make it clear you are not happy with the situation and request full details on the forces policy for dealing with Horses.
ASK if the force is aware of and complies with "ACPO issued: Emergency services protocol when dealing with incidents involving equines" and listen to the officer quake!!!!!

You need to ask for written confirmation that your complaint as been taken and confirmation it will be passed to the compliants division. You then need to follow up the complaint in WRITING to your divisional superintendant... NOT the Chief Constable. You need to politely suggest a possible need for further driver training for the officers involved, in order to prevent further incidents occuring and the possible occurrence of a Major incident being recorded.

AGAIN when complaining in writing... ask for a wirtten confirmation, and remark that due to the distress caused to your horse, should vetinary assitance be continuing, you will have no option but to pursue the force for costs involved.

IF you need further assistance or details, please feel free to pm me
 
hubby just got back from the station........

police say that i was stopped as a grey shetland had been reported stolen on anglesey on the weekend. right fair enough but jacks a 17hh irish draft !! they got the right colour at least ! hubby asked if the forces policy on recovering a stolen horse is to run it over ? and guess what the camera in the car wasn't on !!
 
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let's go with your second sentence then:

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I'm sure they have to have an NVQ in being thick to get in the force, lets face it, any body with intelligence isn't going to go in the force to start with'

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are you saying that those members of HHO who happen to be in the force have no intelligence?

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Dont know, I havent met them that I know of, but unfortunately going by the percentage of the ones I have, about 90% of them must have, so things dont look too good.

Lets look at this from a logical veiw, most people who become Doctors want to heal people, most people who become Paramedics want to save people, most people who become nurses want to help people, people who become traffic wardens, security gaurds, police, baliffs, prison officers, wheel clampers must enjoy confrontation and control over people, why else would you want to do it, certainly not for the money.

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My OH who is a police officer has over 17 years exp and is a specalist in sexual offences and dealing with rape victims and now sex offenders. He has been called out to deal with a serious sexual assault, when he comes home I will ask him about his motivation to join and stay in the police and if he is enjoys confrontation and control. Being ex job myself those 2 things didn't relate. to me in any way.
 
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O.K. so Shetland = Quote: large white horse!!

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Make an official complaint, it just gets worst
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Another comment to add.....

It would be an offence to not dismount when requested.
The passport is a requirement in law for horses being transported... this can include a horse being walked or ridden.
Any authorised person can request you to produce that passport for verification, and should you meet with a difficult or arrogant person of authority....you could well find your horse impounded and removed at your cost!! Yes they do have a policy for it and the facilities to arrange transport for removal!!
 
thanks for all you help.

i did dismount when he asked as i had at that point in time still have some respect for the officer that changed when he started with the still questions and bad attitude.
i read in horse and hound a few weeks ago that you didn't need to carry a passport when out hacking . i was only 5 mins from home when i was stopped and when i suggested moving somewhere safer i did say that home was 5 mins away so he could see jacks passport, but he said he had better things to do with his time than to go on a wild goose chase !!
 
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