Tellington-Jones...old school Parelli

I don't think most people object to fair discipline, some peoples ways are different to others.If it works for you and your horse, fine.What I and a few other people object to is the slyness of doing something the owner may object to.You may think they are wrong BUT they are the owner.Would you want someone to do something to your horse that you object to?
 
eahotson said:
I don't think most people object to fair discipline, some peoples ways are different to others.If it works for you and your horse, fine.What I and a few other people object to is the slyness of doing something the owner may object to.You may think they are wrong BUT they are the owner.Would you want someone to do something to your horse that you object to?
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If I asked someone to get on my horse then I would be happy for them to do what they thought correct. I would only ask someone I trusted to get on. I can only assume this is the case with the OP too.

I assume you're asking me? If not then ignore what I said :D
 
Maesfen said:
All you touchy feely types seem to forget that the horse went nicely for the OP which presumes that the horse does actually know what is wanted but it chooses to pee his owner off and get his own way. That is deliberate bad manners, no excuse for it and needed sorting but no doubt it will revert back to his old ways because the owner lets him and because he can unless the owner can change her ways and insist on discipline. Like the old riding school ponies, put a decent rider on top and they're cracking, put a novice on and they walk all over them - because they can; they're not daft at all, why work when you don't have to?

As others have said, obedience is needed at all times for safety of you both and the sooner it is an established fact, the sooner that will be. Presumably A, you used the Dually to instil discipline and to keep you both safe before the horse was retrained because you didn't want to be walked all over and it needed to learn that; if that had been done with the other horse, it might not have needed the OP to wake his ideas up a bit.
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I wouldn't class myself as 'touchy feely' at all......certainly not in the patronising way it's implied here.

However, I will reiterate AGAIN that what my initial objection was the sneaky, back handed way the OP approached the perceived problem(ie lack of discipline of the horse).
Surely the intelligent way to deal with the situation would have been for the OP to explain her methods and actions to the owner of the horse rather than try to distract the owner before hitting the horse?(which was what the original point was in the first place) :confused:

I do understand that Trakhener was being a little naughty poking fun at NH methods;)
 
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sleepingdragon10 said:
I do understand that Trakhener was being a little naughty poking fun at NH methods;)
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Course you do cos you aren't a moron like I apparently am!

I'm just going to assume it is all a joke and that OP is being funny and exaggerating for comedic purposes. Because it suits me to do that better than to get into a fight :)
 
jesstickle said:
If I asked someone to get on my horse then I would be happy for them to do what they thought correct. I would only ask someone I trusted to get on. I can only assume this is the case with the OP too.

I assume you're asking me? If not then ignore what I said :D
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No it wasn't particularly aimed at you but the OP stated that she distracted the owner so that she could smack the horse, which does seem to sugest that she thought the owner would object.At the end of the day,its the owners horse.
 
jesstickle said:
Course you do cos you aren't a moron like I apparently am!

I'm just going to assume it is all a joke and that OP is being funny and exaggerating for comedic purposes. Because it suits me to do that better than to get into a fight :)
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:D

Nah, you're not a moron.
D'ya wanna hear something funny?
I WAS going to object strongly to you being called a moron, and reflect on how rude it was for you to be called so, until I realised that I myself called the OP a cretin:o:eek:

Oooopsies?;)
 
eahotson said:
No it wasn't particularly aimed at you but the OP stated that she distracted the owner so that she could smack the horse, which does seem to sugest that she thought the owner would object.At the end of the day,its the owners horse.
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True. But why did the owner ask her to get on then? I suspect the owner may have known the horse needed a firmer touch and OP is just being funny.

But if that isn't the case then yes, you're right and it is the owners horse to do with as they see fit. They should probably stop asking non NH people to get on it though!
 
jesstickle said:
No I know I'm not! Just made me laugh that someone would actually bother to say it. Ususally me posting is death to any thread :D

How's black beauty today? Settling in ok?
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Bliss thanks! Put another rug on him as sis didn't like how the other one fitted, also added a bib to prevent rubbing.

Will be lunging tomorrow as it rained here today! :(

Pics will follow!

He is a very friendly boy!

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jesstickle said:
True. But why did the owner ask her to get on then? I suspect the owner may have known the horse needed a firmer touch and OP is just being funny.

But if that isn't the case then yes, you're right and it is the owners horse to do with as they see fit. They should probably stop asking non NH people to get on it though!
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That was my take on it too. Perhaps we're both moronic................ ;)
 
DragonSlayer said:
Bliss thanks! Put another rug on him as sis didn't like how the other one fitted, also added a bib to prevent rubbing.

Will be lunging tomorrow as it rained here today! :(

Pics will follow!

He is a very friendly boy!

:D
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Bless him. I will await eagerly more photos :) O and it's raining here too. Boo.
 
jesstickle said:
Bless him. I will await eagerly more photos :) O and it's raining here too. Boo.
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Well, must dash for a few hours!

Horses all done apart from going later to put out their night hay, and we are having roast lamb, but the house resembles a pig-sty so gonna attack it, would like it looking decent before I return to work tuesday.....catch ya all later!

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jesstickle said:
There you are! Thanks for leaving me here to take flak. I suppose you were off beating your horses weren't you :D :D
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Yes but you seemed to be having fun with DS!
I'm that evil my lot have come racing up to the gate to see who can be first in to be beaten, it's the highlight of their day.:D:D Any minute now I will go out and feed them, then later I'll go back out, give them a New Year's beating before I skip out their bedrooms and so for bed. It's a hard life here, I expect yours has the same sorry life.:D:D
 
jesstickle said:
I didn't mean take it that literally. I'm not a moron.
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Okay, thanks for the clarification.

I am aware of the subtle body language and looks going on in between. My point is that at times they do clout each other. I don't always 'shout' at my horse but when things go wrong and I've asked nicely I don't feel bad about 'shouting' at them by giving them a smack.
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I think I understand your point. It's just that I feel that having to 'shout' is usually a sign that I haven't been clear enough with my 'quiet' signals and have inadvertently allowed things to 'go wrong' - i.e. my failing, not theirs. Of course, it may be necessary to use extreme physical measures in extreme situations where safety is threatened. That's entirely justifiable.

They do it to each other all the time.
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Presumably not literally! ;) (Seriously, I've seen horses interact for hours without kicking or biting each other, or even pulling faces - obviously depends on the horses, whether there's a bully in the herd, competition over feed, limited space to move about, etc.)
 
fburton said:
I've seen horses interact for hours without kicking or biting each other, or even pulling faces - obviously depends on the horses, whether there's a bully in the herd, competition over feed, limited space to move about, etc.)
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Those don't have to be the only reasons for falling out at all, would be wrong to imply that, some are just due to crankiness too.
A boss had one that wouldn't play/talk nicely with anyone unless he wanted to and he was the boss of the field. Nobody could instigate a conversation with him; he always had to be the one who made advances to another but at the same time, the others could be as close to him as anything and he would tolerate it but let them strike up the conversation with him and all hell would break loose. I think 30 acres was plenty enough room for 6 hunters and certainly no competition for food, it was just his way. One of my own mares is just like him; she is happy to start talking to the others but she won't let them start any interaction with her but she ignores them talking/playing with each other. If she joins in you can almost see their jaws drop open, it's so unexpected but she very soon reverts to type and gives them what for if they take liberties again. (no, I don't have 30 acres, but they do have 8 acres at a time to play in together) .:)
 
Maesfen said:
I'd be a lot more depressed if my horses didn't do as they were told and had some manners though.
With the proviso that they knew how to do what was being asked of course. Bad manners I won't put up with but training something, I have all the time in the world for which is why, if they know how to do something they should damn well do it when I ask, not if and when they feel like it.
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You sound an absolute charmer........
 
Jess, I think you and I are on the same wavelength.

Handling of a horse varies from person to person, and horse to horse. Bigger horses (especially young, fit ones!) will need "firmer" handling as they are too big to start barging etc. and could cause some real damage.
Not just applying to big horses, but more important that bigger horses have good ground manners.

Not all horses have read the text book!
 
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