Tellington-Jones...old school Parelli

[eahotson]

True, it is indeed the owner's horse, but the owner must know the way the OP rides. If I ask someone to get on any of my horses, I only ask those whos riding I know and agree/approve of - if whilst they are on board they feel the need to do something then that is up to them: I will have explained the horse's quirks, etc., e.g. smack Dizz hard on the bum and you'll end up in a hedge, so it's up to the rider as to what they believe the situation requires at any given time. If the OP was being sneaky, well, we're not all yet perfect , it did get the desired result though, a horse working well, which has got to be better for all concerned

No Mrs. M we are not all perfect but a lot of the posters here are very clear about how they want THEIR horses handled/treated, they are just not prepared to to accord other people the same courtesy.Also, would you consider someone who asked you for your help with their horse an idiot?Would you treat them like that?Would you expect someone you asked for help with your horse to treat you like an idiot even if, as it happens, they do know more than you.

 

[Caledonia]

You will be aware, as you read things so carefully, that I am quite happy for people to train horses in whatever style they choose, so long as they are effective trainers, and do not resort to punishment to cover their own inability to get the desired response.

In which case, why do you have an issue with the OP when she says this?

All of a sudden, he's a lovely horse and is listening intently for any aid I care to use. What a great responsive ride. I have her jump up on her boy and he's listening to her nicely too!

A traumatised or 'punished' horse would not react like that.

 

[Echo Bravo]

Perhaps we could pass him onto the Horse out of sorts,turnout and bad weather post.Just do your own thing Jesstickle, you have alot of commonsense, which everyone needs when it comes to animals as well as life

 

[AndySpooner]

Well if its not your fault, whose is it, it's your horse.

I don't mind if folk get offended, I think most are big enough to cope.

The point of the thread was someone deciding to crop someone else's horse behind their back, which is very offensive, to me at any rate.

 

[Jesstickle]

Dont let anyone one get you down, that way they win, sort of, as for the RSPCA tell them to swing their hook, as they are high profile at the moment as they need the cash. You sound a very sensble person, who knows how to treat and train a horse, nobody goes round beating up their horses,but sometimes a sharp slap at the right time,with the right command will bring a young horse, who starts to strike out with his forelegs, works wonders, they have to be taught manners from the word go. Ask any Farrier,who have to either trim or shoe bad mannered ponies and horses.

They don't get me down at all EB don't worry. I am quite happy to agree to disagree. It works for me and the horse and that is all I care about. I utterly appreciate that it wouldn't work with many other horses. I would never have smacked my old mare because it wouldn't have worked and would have upset her. Softly softly catchy monkey was always my approach with her, but then she was a naturally kind horse who would never put you in harms way and was a sensitive soul, unlike the thug I have now.

I believe very much in horses for courses

 

[Jesstickle]

Well if its not your fault, whose is it, it's your horse.

I don't mind if folk get offended, I think most are big enough to cope.

The point of the thread was someone deciding to crop someone else's horse behind their back, which is very offensive, to me at any rate.

I'm afraid AndySpooner that you, like many horses in life, need to learn some boundaries then.

If you don't mind people being offended I can only assume you need re-educating yourself

ETA the point of the thread was indeed about someone deciding to crop someone else's horse behind their back, which offends a lot of people. However you're opening gambit was a sly comment about anyone with a bargy horse

 

[Echo Bravo]

YES!!! Nice one Jesstickle

 

[AndySpooner]

I'm afraid AndySpooner that you, like many horses in life, need to learn some boundaries then.

If you don't mind people being offended I can only assume you need re-educating yourself

ETA the point of the thread was indeed about someone deciding to crop someone else's horse behind their back, which offends a lot of people. However you're opening gambit was a sly comment about anyone with a bargy horse

LOL

 

[Jesstickle]

LOL

Pax?

 

[AndySpooner]

Pax?

Of course.

 

[Echo Bravo]

Tried it,didn't work. Pax that is

 

[Jesstickle]

Of course.

I've a lovely selection of whips if you'd like my help with your re-education

 

[AndySpooner]

What you get up to in your private life is up to you.

I don't think I'm into anything that hurts. lol.

 

[Jesstickle]

What you get up to in your private life is up to you.

I don't think I'm into anything that hurts. lol.

spoil sport

And they don't hurt as much as you'd think. And I don't know because I'm kinky, but because out of curiosity I wanted to know if how much I was actually hurting my horse. Answer not a great deal frankly!

 

[AndySpooner]

spoil sport

And they don't hurt as much as you'd think. And I don't know because I'm kinky, but because out of curiosity I wanted to know if how much I was actually hurting my horse. Answer not a great deal frankly!

This is really getting bizarre, if we carry on down this road the thread will be lifted, lol.

Jesstickle rhymes does't it?

 

[Maesfen]

Can't believe you're still here Jess, I only looked in on my way to bed! Glad to see you're keeping your end up.......................

 

[AndySpooner]

spoil sport

And they don't hurt as much as you'd think. And I don't know because I'm kinky, but because out of curiosity I wanted to know if how much I was actually hurting my horse. Answer not a great deal frankly!

Your pain threshold much be much higher than mine, when I got one across the backside it hurt me.

 

[Jesstickle]

Can't believe you're still here Jess, I only looked in on my way to bed! Glad to see you're keeping your end up.......................

OH has been playing xbox today so I couldn't even watch telly. Apart from going to beat my horses for a bit this was all that's been going on today. It's a sad life

 

[Jesstickle]

Your pain threshold much be much higher than mine, when I got one across the backside it hurt me.

Probably I'm ok with pain unless it's a headache. Can't stand them. Horrible niggly things!

 

[AndySpooner]

I'm just nipping out now to tell my horse what a wonderful, understanding compasionate partner she's got.

Really enjoyed the debate, later.

 

[amandap]

sounds good to me what are we drinking?

I don't know what was in that bottle but you obviously got the rocket fuel half! You're still going strong!

 

[Jesstickle]

I don't know what was in that bottle but you obviously got the rocket fuel half! You're still going strong!

No like I said, that is the xbox induced mania that I am suffering from. I hate that thing with a passion!! wish I could have just got pissed but had to go and do the horses so had to stare at some gimpy sci fi game all day!

 

[Natch]

Um, I wonder if the Op's friend has a hearing problem, because last time I checked one could hear a horse being smacked - even lightly - with a whip, therefore rendering the diversion tactic useless

 

[Trakehner]

Jeeze....the owner was going to be hurt by her horse and could hardly hack in the fields near the yard. She was the type of owner who would flap her hands and be saying, "No, no, no, please don't, no, no...etc. etc. etc." all the while using various magikal tarantula touches etc.

Cracking a horse twice on the butt with a dressage whip isn't beating or abusing a horse. Neither is using a bit or spurs.

How many trainers ride a horse more forward and demanding than the owners do? Trainers usually don't want the owners around when they're first dealing with a real problem horse..the owners may not want to see the possible discipline used...not abuse, but some fairly sharp and instant training usually only used once or twice.

A little prick on St. T.J. sure brought out the minions...Parelli has the same types of sycophants who will tolerate no comments about their trainer.

 

[planete]

I have never let anybody ride, shoe, or treat my horse unless I was present. Smacking a horse once to remind him of his manners in a dire emergency like being rapidly carted towards the wheels of a lorry is not cruel it is survival. However there is a huge difference between such a situation and the process of educating a horse. It all depends on your views on education. Anybody fancies starting another long thread?

 

[sleepingdragon10]

A little prick on St. T.J. sure brought out the minions...Parelli has the same types of sycophants who will tolerate no comments about their trainer.

PMSL, that is rather funny.
I couldn't give a monkey's cuss about Tellington-Jones/Parelli etc etc blah blah blah. I have no time to be a sycophant.
It was your attitude that bothered me......if you believe so strongly in your methods then surely you have the balls to explain to the owner what you're going to do and why.

 

[Tinypony]

Speaking for myself, I know sweet FA about the Tellington approach. Apart from that, with experience of problem horses myself, I stand by what I've said.

 

[Spudlet]

Smacking a misbehaving horse - fine.

Doing it behind the owner's back in a deceitful way - not so fine.

Coming on an internet forum and basically b!tching about the owner and how useless they are in order to make oneself look good - really not fine at all.

However an excellent reminder of one of the reasons I no longer deal with horses in my leisure time - not the horses, but the awful people! So thanks for that. You've saved me some cash.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Smacking a misbehaving horse - fine.

Doing it behind the owner's back in a deceitful way - not so fine.

Coming on an internet forum and basically b!tching about the owner and how useless they are in order to make oneself look good - really not fine at all.

However an excellent reminder of one of the reasons I no longer deal with horses in my leisure time - not the horses, but the awful people! So thanks for that. You've saved me some cash.

Perfecto response!

 

[Orangehorse]

What a rider does, with kind intent giving an aid, is unlikely to hurt a horse, although a horse might get annoyed if they get hit without good reason or if they just don't understand what is being asked or they don't have confidence in the rider.

Be CLEAR is something that is well to remember for any aid.

Those who dismiss USA trainers as pushing "magik" should hear some of their stories. Like some of the contraptions put in the mouth to stop a bolting horse that could break its jaw. Like seeing a horse beaten to the ground with a motorcycle chain. That is hurting a horse.

There is a big cultural difference between the USA and the UK, which is why an awful lot of UK people are so dismissive of the americans. I think (sincerely hope) that this sort brutality is seldom encountered in the UK, so when USA trainers come here the experienced horsemen here think "so what, that is how we do it anyway" and tend to dismiss the americans/austrailians without looking at the bigger picture of how they can help people with problem horses (caused by mishandling of any sort) or show people that they do not have to be rough.