The dealer that cannot be named

Tiddlypom said:
Apologies if this question has already been asked 🙈.

Are all of the dodgy dealer FB sites now known to be dodgy themselves - with the admins concealing or actively complicit in dodgy activity from the favoured few?
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Pretty sure they always have been. Theres always been an awful lot going on behind the scenes with them all.
 
I think the issue with dodgy dealers sites online is, even if they start out well intentioned and unbiased, it's easy for admin to be pressured, threatened, or just straight up paid hush money. You have no idea who's friends with who behind the scenes/outside of online and it's very very easy to manipulate an Internet facade to look a certain way.
 
Sadly she has got away with it.
you can't just go bankrupt and if you do it has massive implications on your life. Ie you can't earn over a certain amount I think for 12 months if you do all those debts owed are liable to be paid back. especially whilst still selling horses .I suspect those that take her to court will win but she will just say she has zero money.

I suppose what happened next is she will set up under a new name and off we go again.
I mean people must still have horses on trial
The stables must still have horses In...
 
Tiddlypom said:
Apologies if this question has already been asked 🙈.

Are all of the dodgy dealer FB sites now known to be dodgy themselves - with the admins concealing or actively complicit in dodgy activity from the favoured few?
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Hard to argue otherwise, isn’t it?
I haven’t seen a peep about any of this on any of the dodgy dealer groups so they’re not letting posts get through. Any other dealer and they’d be going wild right now, but no - they’re just as shameless as she is.

It’s a real shame because I considered those groups absolutely vital while I’m looking for a horse - as did many others. It’s a common occurrence to see buyers slated for buying unseen, riders accused of overstating their abilities, and people being scolded for not doing their research. But anyone looking into this dealer - they didn’t stand a chance of finding a realistic review. Just dodgy dealer admins blowing smoke up her ****
 
exracehorse said:
It’s quite addictive to read all the comments. The posts just keep rolling in. And it’s big sums of money. 13k. 10k. All still owed. It’s awful. Netflix need to make a documentary about the woman.
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Bankruptcy doesn't happen instantly I'd suspect she will of withdrawn a large amount of money never to be seen again.
For anyone owed money you can check on line if some one is bankrupt, be well worth keeping an eye as I'd not be surprised if she was still lying i mean come on, she's got to have thousands in the bank, you don't file for bankruptcy and the banks go sure here take 50k from your account then we're locking it..
She's still scamming id say.
 
Cloball said:
I nearly enquired about one when i was looking sounded perfect can't remember why, but I clearly didn't investigate hard at the time. I had no idea until this that the horse was at a dealer let alone this one the ad sounded like a private home. From the FB the pony I liked was apparently covered in sarcoids!
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I sent one back with 7 undisclosed sarcoids which she denied existed except I found out from a previous owner they definitely did
 
Ironically a few years ago I was just browsing horses for sale online and thought how many lovely ones they had there and decent prices. I made a mental note that they might be somewhere worth a trip to in the future when I’m looking for another horse - thank goodness J didn’t!
 
Guinness bought by the police
Was on sales livery .
Now if this was a car the car would go back to the original owner. And the person who bought it from the seller would lose the money. It's basically theft but a civil matter.

I really hope the owner contacts the police and gets her horse back.

Surely now there has to be a cause to go into that yard a get the horses on sales livery reunited with owners.
 
Abacus said:
It’s fraud, which potentially carries a jail sentence. Not just a civil matter. As others have said, she is selling something that isn’t available for sale.
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In theory it is tho.. if a horse is being moved about it's still available.
I'm not debating fraud, but this woman isn't stupid all the loop holes covered.
It would be interesting if one of her trial agreements was put in front of a solicitor, but I suspect it's not legally binding in any way.

She's basically selling horses on loan to her. Loan to sell IE sales livery I think she knows all of this and knows a lot of it will be classed as civil law. She's a dealer...who else are her contacts? These people know their bubble will burst at some point.
And are 10 steps ahead.

I really hope those with horses on sales livery get their horses back and the ones left in the yard...well I suspect there already at another dealers being moved on. Awful woman that really deserves never to be able set foot in public again.
 
A quick google brought up a couple of selling sites actually recommending her, whickr as recently as September 2025 in the blog section on their website. I don't want to link as her name is in the title of the article. I feel for all those who will no doubt lose money, and of course the poor horses who are at the centre of this, but if she can be stopped, that has to be a win overall.
 
jhoward said:
In theory it is tho.. if a horse is being moved about it's still available.
I'm not debating fraud, but this woman isn't stupid all the loop holes covered.
It would be interesting if one of her trial agreements was put in front of a solicitor, but I suspect it's not legally binding in any way.

She's basically selling horses on loan to her. Loan to sell IE sales livery I think she knows all of this and knows a lot of it will be classed as civil law. She's a dealer...who else are her contacts? These people know their bubble will burst at some point.
And are 10 steps ahead.

I really hope those with horses on sales livery get their horses back and the ones left in the yard...well I suspect there already at another dealers being moved on. Awful woman that really deserves never to be able set foot in public again.
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I don’t think you are correct here. The sales agreement with her is that the horse is sold l, full amount paid and therefore is the possession of the owner, on the agreement that it can be returned if not suitable. I bought horses from her several years ago (both of which I kept) and this was definitely the agreement.

This is absolutely not a loan situation.
 
Abacus said:
I don’t think you are correct here. The sales agreement with her is that the horse is sold l, full amount paid and therefore is the possession of the owner, on the agreement that it can be returned if not suitable. I bought horses from her several years ago (both of which I kept) and this was definitely the agreement.

This is absolutely not a loan situation.
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But if the horse was on sale livery she didn't own it did she.
So putting it on trial was a "loan"
The horse is sold when the OWNER has the money and legal ownership has been transferred.
Which if this woman was doing correctly ownership would of been transferred at point of person paying the money. And a receipt provided.

From what I've read this never happened.
 
nutjob said:
She's told one person who has been looking for his horse sent on sales livery that the horse will be euthanised tomorrow, what a truely disgusting individual :mad::mad:.
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Up until this point I was prepared to think that she's not all bad, that the lure of £ made her fall into the merry-go-round of mis-selling and refunding. This absolutely proves her real character.
 
jhoward said:
But if the horse was on sale livery she didn't own it did she.
So putting it on trial was a "loan"
The horse is sold when the OWNER has the money and legal ownership has been transferred.
Which if this woman was doing correctly ownership would of been transferred at point of person paying the money. And a receipt provided.

From what I've read this never happened.
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Not a loan from the perspective of the buyer. I have dug out an agreement from her to check the wording - this is from 2022 so may have changed since. The wording makes it clear that it is a purchase with the option to return.

You are correct that the money minus commission should immediately go to the original owner although I can also see that it makes sense for her to hold it in case the horse is returned. The issue here isn't over this, but that she took multiple payments for the same horse at the same time when it wasn't available to purchase as legally it is the possession of the new owner unless they ask for a refund. My reading of this agreement is that it is definitely a sale, with a money back guarantee.
 
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I don't totally disagree, however the arguments so to speak will come up when people want to take it further.

If a horse is on sales livery, but has been sent on trial 3 times, paid for 3 times, sent back twice ( now still with 3rd person) but no money returned to anyone who actually owns the horse?

Who kept the passport?

If ownership wasn't transferred which regardless of a possible trial it should of been done.. what if new owner wanted to insure? Livery yards often want passports..if none of this was done it was never a true sale.
 
jhoward said:
I think it's apparently got an injury.
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You're still entitled to get your own horse back from sales livery to have it examined and treated by your own vet rather than getting a ultimatum from the dealer that it will be euthanised. Especially in the case that the injury has occurred at the point where the horse is no longer able to be "sold" to any more customers on the trial scheme as your business practices have been exposed on social media and you have stated that you have filed for bankrupcy.

At the very least the owner should be allowed to get a representative to go to the yard to see the horse for themselves before this character has it killed. You need to be certain that it hasn't been sold to someone and the money pocketed.
 
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