The Further Decline of the Hunting Fraternity...

[wrighty]

He's a starting point for your search
Posted in March
l Lived on, worked on and volenteered on farms for 20years.
Because of things I saw and was told about these farms I decided to help protect animals from abuse and cruelty.
I've worked with factory bred chickens (which made me stop eating chickens) and free range, NO chickens were ever taken by foxes because the owner spent some extra cash on fences to stop them getting in. The owner refused any access to his land for hunts as he disagreed with killing foxes (Hunting, snaring or shooting)

 

[soggy]

"I know you!
You've made those claims before else where and not under the pseudonym Wrighty"
Wrong, always been Wrighty, I have no need to hide. Do some looking and you will find.

HaHa! You've been sussed Wrighty.

As i predicted. Completely incapable of offering an practical solution. Just like before, and the time before that.

Come on fess up! What names have you been posting under on the various boards.

 

[wrighty]

Like I said, look and you will find.

If you're so sure I have posted as someone else, show us all.

 

[soggy]

No need to go a looking boyo!

You have been sussed.

Come on be a man, cough to the crime, you know you want to.....

 

[wrighty]

Come on Soggy, prove what you say.
I have given you a clue where to start looking, you do the same.

 

[kirstyhen]

"restricts herself to shooting Pheasant and Grouse which inevitably end up in the pot."
How is shooting pheasants any better than hunting? Pheasants are not native to this country and are reared purely to be shot, hunting is a means of controlling a population that already exists.
Im not anti shooting just dont understand how someone who is anti hunting can consider shooting as better.

 

[Nickijem]

Rearing pheasants then shooting them for food is no different to rearing chickens then slitting their throats for the pot only I know I would rather eat the pheasant cos I know its had some freedom in its life and lived as it naturally should.

 

[severnmiles]

Talking of foods before it was made illegal to kill them has anyone tried badger? Someone was talking to me about wierd stuff they've eaten and a friend of his had tried badger... *spewing smilie*

Nicki do you have a trakehner?

 

[Nickijem]

HI severnmiles - yes I do have a trakehner. Only had him a couple of weeks but totally smitten!! He's gorgeous. I was looking for a reliable 15hh cob but ended up with this 17hh lanky dressage specialist!!!

 

[severnmiles]

Ooo..how is he bred? Can't get much further from a cob than a Trak!

 

[Nickijem]

Do you think we have hijacked this forum a bit!!?? It was getting a bit samey a suppose so this little diversion will make a pleasant change!!
Jerry - passport name: Dornburg's Oriv came from Germany originally via Belgium. He came to England in April and ended up with a dealer local to me who knew I was looking for something dependable and sane so that's how I came by him!
His Sire is Elan
his Dam is Osieka
Do you have a Trakehner too??

 

[wurzel]

So, on one hand you say you are member of the government and on the other you are not!

I think it is wrong to lie.

"I have observed hunting in action, yes. I have also witnessed a Fox being caught by the Hounds. It was this that convinced me most of all that the status quo should not continue"

You thought that this was cruel and you prefer snaring?


"To Foreign Secretary, you mean? Because, sadly, Mrs. Beckett has now left the Government. I suspect that Tony realised that wherever he placed Mrs. Beckett and in the posts she held in the Callaghan administartion, she always performed a first class job. From Education, to Development, to Leader of the House, Trade and Industry (first woman to hold the post) Environment (where she was hugely successful) and finally the Foreign office. It was widely recognised that Mrs. Beckett was a "safe pair of hands" Whitehall new it, Downing Street new it and most importantly, the country new it. "


I asked why she got promoted. What did she do exactly ?


"Well of course it should. Farming is hugely important not only to the economy but for the independence of the UK. It also has an important role to play in education."

Interesting ! So why are there less farms producing less every year since 1997 ?

I think you should comment on LACS and Baronsdown. You are a hunting expert?

So you agree with spying on your neighbour.





"I would prefer lower taxes, where possible, as these tend to create the conditions for stability (take the past 10 years as an example!) However, taxation has to be levied on a case by case basis, I would have thought. I have little knowledge of current Treasury policy, particularly in relation to Agriculture and so would be reluctant to comment specifically."

I said...do you agee with higher direct taxes on agricultural land ? How complicated is this question?



"Yes, HM Queen, is in many respects an admirable head of state. "

What about her views on hunting ? Acceptable or not?

 

[wrighty]

""Yes, HM Queen, is in many respects an admirable head of state. "
What about her views on hunting ? Acceptable or not?"

Come on Tom he's 1/2 answered that 1.
"Yes, HM Queen, is in many respects an admirable head of state. Her families tendancies towards the Hunting Fraternity are disappointing. However, the Queen, I believe, restricts herself to shooting Pheasant and Grouse which inevitably end up in the pot."

 

[wench]

pheasants dont live "naturally". You will find that they have food put out for them, and also they are not native to this country!!!

 

[severnmiles]

pheasants dont live "naturally". You will find that they have food put out for them, and also they are not native to this country!!!

You talking to me? I don't quite understand...?

 

[wrighty]

The practice of breeding animals for sport is wrong, no matter what the animal is, it has even backfired on the fox hunting community who claim they hunt (hunted) as a form of pest control.
"Hunts across the country are breeding foxes in specially made dens to ensure an adequate supply of the animals"
Feb 02. Guardian.

 

[severnmiles]

You're against pheasant shooting then? The animal would not have been born if it were not for shooting, they live a fabulous and natural life (aslong as mr foxy doesn't get them), and most likely know nothing of their death so what is the problem?

Don't start talking morals like Southgate ( :smirk to me!

 

[southgate1975]

The moral aspect of shooting birds that are bred specifically for sport is, I feel, worse than fox hunting.

 

[wrighty]

"You're against pheasant shooting then?" Yep.
"The animal would not have been born if it were not for shooting." How many times have I heard this argument? Being born to be killed is not a life. Vivisectionists use the same arguments.

Just a bit of information.

The intensive and unnatural battery conditions in which gamebirds are reared can cause a huge stress on the birds.

In a failed attempt to prevent cannibalism, game farmers practise beak trimming, where a portion of the beak is removed with a heated blade.

Further interference with nature occurs when young gamebirds have their wings clipped prior to being crammed into boxes and shipped off to shooting estates.

Those that do survive the shooting season are ill equipped to prosper in the wild.

(Sorry to cut and paste but they use better grammer than me.)

 

[Nickijem]

"Those that do survive the shooting season are ill equipped to prosper in the wild." Are they?
The ones round us seem to do very well, there have been several nests spotted this spring with 12 - 16 eggs and they have successfully reared their chicks. The ones I've seen are certainly prospering!!

 

[severnmiles]

The moral aspect of shooting birds that are bred specifically for sport is, I feel, worse than fox hunting.

Oh no! Its you.....aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! Lol. Now you see I put welfare of the animal above morals...thats 'morally' correct in my view.

 

[severnmiles]

More copy and paste crap...I've seen the little blighters (and they're not over populated) under their heat lamps, the dog did squash one though.

Why do antis believe EVERYTHING they read?

 

[wrighty]

OK, some make it.
Throw at enough coconuts and you'll win a goldfish.

"Every year somewhere between 20 million and 35 million gamebirds are intensively bred, reared and transported across vast distances to supply live targets for commercial shooting estates."

 

[wrighty]

"More copy and paste crap"
I did say I copy and pasted for a reason, I should have also put that I have see the way pheasants are bred, I have seen 1000s of birds in small enclosures, I have seen birds with their beaks trimmed and I have seen people pulling feathers off the bird before crating them up (Also saw it on "Lie of the land")

But I doubt many people will believe me as all Anti's are wrong in Pro's eyes.

 

[severnmiles]

"More copy and paste crap"
I did say I copy and pasted for a reason, I should have also put that I have see the way pheasants are bred, I have seen 1000s of birds in small enclosures, I have seen birds with their beaks trimmed and I have seen people pulling feathers off the bird before crating them up (Also saw it on "Lie of the land")

But I doubt many people will believe me as all Anti's are wrong in Pro's eyes.

Not all antis, I have agreed with antis before - ask Southgate.

I didn't actually see that you wrote that ...my bad! Lucky guess that it was C&P!

I clip my chickens wings...does that make me bad? I've seen feathers plucked when crating them...would you like us to all stop pullng our horses manes and tails aswell? Thats a little soft, ban the removal of dew claws too?

I've not seen pheasants over populated - turkeys yes but not pheasants.

 

[wrighty]

"would you like us to all stop pullng our horses manes and tails aswell?"
Does it hurt them? If yes, then I would say yes.

 

[severnmiles]

"would you like us to all stop pullng our horses manes and tails aswell?"
Does it hurt them? If yes, then I would say yes.

If I pulled your hair out would it hurt you?

I shall put a poll up for you....

 

[wrighty]

"If I pulled your hair out would it hurt you?"
Would be difficult, it has already been mentioned that I am a "slaphead hippy".
"I shall put a poll up for you...." No need for polls, just answer this 1 simple question
If pulling horses mane and tails hurts (I am assuming it does seeing you're compairing it to pulling human hair) the horses, why would you inflict that pain on something you love? (I am assuming you love your horses)

 

[southgate1975]

"Oh no! Its you.....aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! Lol."

Thankyou for your welcome !

"Now you see I put welfare of the animal above morals...thats 'morally' correct in my view. "

Well, actually, the desire to promote animal welfare is in itself a moral stance.

 

[southgate1975]

"Why do antis believe EVERYTHING they read? "

We dont !


Well, we dont believe everything pros say, anyway.