The lami episode I was dreading ...

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Or is danilon an option? Even my fuss pots who won't touch bute hoover that up without question.

Harking back a page or so I asked OH about the dessication spray thing. He does a bit of work for a forage merchant as well as making a fair bit for us and other clients. He didn't know of anyone using that for hay/haylage. Just chucking that in in case people are worrying about what they are buying from local farmers etc. By all means ask but I don't think it'll be that common.

She’s just as bad with Danilon unfortunately. She’s bloody difficult in general ??
I mixed a bit of healthy hooves in and she ate it straight up. Not sure what’s the lesser of two evils at the moment honestly.
 

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A tiny piece of carrot with lots of water, blended in to a smoothie. Add bute and mix. Can either be fed in a syringe or mixed in with the feed.

Giving carrots to a laminitic is crazy. No matter how small, they are full of sugar.

Can’t really offer any advice as it seems you’re doing everything you can. All I can say is I really feel for you with this, as you know I went through it all last year.

Imprint shoes might be worth a look, unfortunately suggested too late for my pony but they did give her a lot more comfort and support.
 

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My laminitics have 2-3 carrots in their feeds daily, they are fine. There is how even Carrots express available

This pony potentially has cushings/EMS so to feed carrots would be absolutely stupid. But I’m not debating it, you do you.
 

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Giving carrots to a laminitic is crazy. No matter how small, they are full of sugar.

Can’t really offer any advice as it seems you’re doing everything you can. All I can say is I really feel for you with this, as you know I went through it all last year.


Imprint shoes might be worth a look, unfortunately suggested too late for my pony but they did give her a lot more comfort and support.

Incorrect. Carrots are mainly made up of water. It worked for mine who recovered and is now leading a normal life with reversed EMS. He still gets 1 small carrot in his feed every day. ??

Eta- the link from laminitis website

https://www.thelaminitissite.org/articles/who-said-stop-the-carrots

I’m talking about an inch or so off a carrot with a LOAD of water blended together. If the horse is on soaked hay and low sugar and starch chaff or whatever this really shouldn’t affect them.
 
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This pony potentially has cushings/EMS so to feed carrots would be absolutely stupid. But I’m not debating it, you do you.

The Laminitis Site suggested that "whilst there may be little justification to feed more than small amounts of something that is mostly water and sugar (and a source of vitamin A), on an as fed basis, carrots contain around 6% combined sugar and starch - less than some hays and several feeds that carry "safe for laminitics" marks."

It isn't stupid to suggest using a small piece of carrot to aid acceptance of meds. When speaking to a representative of the company that makes Prascend, they suggested using a small amount of whatever the horse will accept the pill in, including a spoon of Pepsi because the amount of sugar in a spoon of Pepsi won't make any difference whatsoever.
 

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The Laminitis Site suggested that "whilst there may be little justification to feed more than small amounts of something that is mostly water and sugar (and a source of vitamin A), on an as fed basis, carrots contain around 6% combined sugar and starch - less than some hays and several feeds that carry "safe for laminitics" marks."

It isn't stupid to suggest using a small piece of carrot to aid acceptance of meds. When speaking to a representative of the company that makes Prascend, they suggested using a small amount of whatever the horse will accept the pill in, including a spoon of Pepsi because the amount of sugar in a spoon of Pepsi won't make any difference whatsoever.

This is my thinking too, all I’ve seen is absolutely nothing bar X Y Z feed.
Vet at the moment asked me to try and get a more accurate weight for her as she’s not exactly in the right place to jump on weighbridge at the mo so I’m pulling out the trusty CARE study tape and working out by measurements for now. Knowing when she was at her lightest when she was properly weighed on bridge, she was 197kgs I’d say anywhere between there and 225kgs is probably about right.

I need to get the bute down her at the mo, and I also do need her to eat something as she’s one of these that colics too ???‍♀️ I’m trying every which way. Vets just told me to avoid anything that’s above 5% of sugar or starch.

She is much more comfortable this evening now she’s started eating the bute again.
Going in a theory of she weighs 225kg, until I bust out the measuring tape tomorrow ...2% of body weight in hay is 4.5kgs.

Measured her up for the EVA pads so i can order some of those and some boot for when she’s ready to start venturing out the stable.

Would anyone like to buy a kidney? ??‍♀️?
 

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The Easycare Clloud boots would be great for her in the stable too. My EMS horse wears hers in the field - but they do make her 'bouncy' now she's feeling better. :DShe's had them on for months whilst a hole in her sole from an abscess grew out - and they haven't rubbed or caused any problems at all (aside from my bankruptcy obviously!).
 

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Okay my apologies! I stand corrected.

It’s still not something I would do personally, though I do sympathise with you OP. I had to syringe meds down, 6x syringes twice a day. It was awful!
 

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I’ll be honest though, I still really have my doubts about if this will be manageable/fair long term though.

I was pretty much in the frame of mind the last few years as she was doing so well after neck fracture. Let’s just let her live as normal a life as possible and call it once lami stuff kicks off again or she’s uncomfortable with neck.

But she’s still fighting on, even if she’s still in a major mood from vets visit we are pretty happily flying around the stable ?
 

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The Easycare Clloud boots would be great for her in the stable too. My EMS horse wears hers in the field - but they do make her 'bouncy' now she's feeling better. :DShe's had them on for months whilst a hole in her sole from an abscess grew out - and they haven't rubbed or caused any problems at all (aside from my bankruptcy obviously!).

Shils ... she does not need anything that will aid her chasing me round the stable trying to bite me while I’m mucking out ??‍♀️? she’s bored, a bored Mysti is a dangerous Mysti ...
 

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Okay my apologies! I stand corrected.

It’s still not something I would do personally, though I do sympathise with you OP. I had to syringe meds down, 6x syringes twice a day. It was awful!

I used to work as a freelance groom and one of my jobs was looking after an elderly ladies few remaining ponies. One of which was a grey welshie too who had severe ulcers and a protein loss issue as well as constant eye infections that were quite serious. I spent about two hours a day administering about 50 steroid tablets, syringing other meds and treating/cleaning eyes. So I fully sympathise, it’s a nightmare ? thankfully she was good as gold to do most of the time.
 

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Apple cider vinegar is working wonders for my super fussy med refuser at the mo (exact recipe: tiny sprinkle of top chop zero, smattering of balancer, bit of dried mint, tiny squeeze of garlic puree, crushed prascend - yes I know you're not meant to crush it, yes I still do anyway - and a capful of apple cider vinegar ??)

I'm just going to go and hide in a corner and wait for someone to tell me that one of those ingredients is going to kill my pony.......

Ps Fwiw my vet said one handful of the lushest, greenest grass you could find would be worth it if it means you can get the meds in.
 

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Apple cider vinegar is working wonders for my super fussy med refuser at the mo (exact recipe: tiny sprinkle of top chop zero, smattering of balancer, bit of dried mint, tiny squeeze of garlic puree, crushed prascend - yes I know you're not meant to crush it, yes I still do anyway - and a capful of apple cider vinegar ??)

I'm just going to go and hide in a corner and wait for someone to tell me that one of those ingredients is going to kill my pony.......

Ps Fwiw my vet said one handful of the lushest, greenest grass you could find would be worth it if it means you can get the meds in.
The problem with crushing it is the possibility of inhaling it yourself which wouldn't be good for you.
 

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The problem with crushing it is the possibility of inhaling it yourself which wouldn't be good for you.
I don't need to crush it now, but carefully crushing a tablet between two spoons worked well in the past. I washed the spoons and my hands very well afterwards. I doubt there was much, if any, aerosol of finely powered prascend created but I agree, you do not want to be inhaling the stuff.
 

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Unfortunately (or fortunately as lots going on to keep her entertained) we are in the very first stable block of a busy riding school so with summer holidays and lots of pony camps etc and activities going on better safe than sorry. Been common knowledge for so long not to feed her but after lockdowns etc I can’t rely on people remembering
 

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Ffs, we’ve started refusing the bute now ??‍♀️ Quite a normal reaction for her, but we were doing so well. Question is can I actually use something like sugar free polos or something? As I’ve tried dried mint. Doesn’t appear to be working

Buy some Dr Oatker peppermint essence it's got no sugar in it so safe for laminitis, try adding a few drops in the feed or syringe with s bit of water my horses love it.
 

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Giving carrots to a laminitic is crazy. No matter how small, they are full of sugar.

Can’t really offer any advice as it seems you’re doing everything you can. All I can say is I really feel for you with this, as you know I went through it all last year.

Imprint shoes might be worth a look, unfortunately suggested too late for my pony but they did give her a lot more comfort and support.
Not if it gets the necessary down and anyway, the % sugar and availability is not dangerous in say 30g of carrot.
 

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So we are now cantering around our stable ???‍♀️ Bute clearly doing it’s job, had to make a concoction of sugar free apple juice, dried mint and a sugar free polo dissolved in to mix the bute into, before mixing it into her top chop zero + teeny sprinkle of healthy hooves. Honestly flipping princess is not the word, left her a scoop of top chop zero just wet down to pick at last night and she’s eaten that too.

Screeching at me has returned as I obviously don’t get her hay fast enough. Full of beans. Nice to see, but god help me for the rest of this box rest ...
 
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