The Peel case horses - the lost ones

LadySam said:
Although there were occasionally swathes of Evie's AL posts copied and pasted here, I'm confident it wasn't Rachelle or Evie. It was someone else who was part of the Arabian horse scene and the subject of another infamous horse welfare case, and had a similar experience of the horse community not accepting their ridiculous excuses. She also refused to accept responsibility for her actions and had reason to empathise with their situation.

She wasn't a very good liar or advocate and obviously found the straightforward questions impossible to answer in a way that would put her or the Peels in a positive light.
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Do you think she is lady with a name beginning with D, as identified on AL or someone else (who may or may not be Scottish?). Just wondering if I know them...
 
Damnation said:
Of course, you are right regarding people not knowing until after the horses were shot.

It is for me one of the worst aspects of the case - owners, breeders, previous owners all not knowing if their horse is dead, alive, been shot, missing, suffered horrible neglect etc.

I agree that the horses seized were not in horiffic shape, all very easily sorted issues like a foot trim, some hay and some cream. I don't agree with their "star" horses however being in very good condition with all needs catered for whilst there were others in fields grazing along side dead companions or locked in the same pen as perished horses.

I still want answers relating to the 7 dead horses, as submitted in evidence and accepted under oath in a court of law from witnesses ****who actually attended the scene****.

Why did those horses die? Why were they not disposed of in accordance to the law? Who were they?

I would also want to know about the horses who are unaccounted for.
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I'm guessing the carcasses of the 7 found dead, were too badly decomposed to establish a cause of death through post mortem examination.

Whether Peel would know, or was even questioned, as to the identity of each of the dead ones, I have no idea. Their bodies probably remained in situ where they fell at the time of death. Whether the offence of having unburied carcasses was included in the RSPCA's prosecution, I know not. If only the public could have access to a transcript of the case heard in the Magistrates' court, I'd be willing to pay for it. Apparently only Crown Court cases are recorded.
 
chillipup said:
I'm guessing the carcasses of the 7 found dead, were too badly decomposed to establish a cause of death through post mortem examination.

Whether Peel would know, or was even questioned, as to the identity of each of the dead ones, I have no idea. Their bodies probably remained in situ where they fell at the time of death. Whether the offence of having unburied carcasses was included in the RSPCA's prosecution, I know not. If only the public could have access to a transcript of the case heard in the Magistrates' court, I'd be willing to pay for it. Apparently only Crown Court cases are recorded.
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Wouldn't they be chipped?
 
chillipup said:
I'm guessing the carcasses of the 7 found dead, were too badly decomposed to establish a cause of death through post mortem examination.

Whether Peel would know, or was even questioned, as to the identity of each of the dead ones, I have no idea. Their bodies probably remained in situ where they fell at the time of death. Whether the offence of having unburied carcasses was included in the RSPCA's prosecution, I know not. If only the public could have access to a transcript of the case heard in the Magistrates' court, I'd be willing to pay for it. Apparently only Crown Court cases are recorded.
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I would pay too...
 
I suppose one thing to come from this thread, nearly all of hho agreeing with each other!

Keep bumping this up.
Also if h&h do read this, do you think a journalist couldmfind out what happened?
 
Has anybody written to their MP to ask that questions be asked in the house as to why the rspca bungled the prosecution and their dodgy accounting methods, not to mention putting down horses that could have been rehomed
 
Frumpoon said:
Has anybody written to their MP to ask that questions be asked in the house as to why the rspca bungled the prosecution and their dodgy accounting methods, not to mention putting down horses that could have been rehomed
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If you made an error of thousands of pounds on your tax return, would HMRC say 'there, there very naughty don't do that again?'. If you were guilty of perjury, would the judge say 'that is OK. Just a mistake'. Why were Trustees allowed to escape unscathed by Britain's legislature and the Charity Commission - why does it need a letter to MP's?
 
I believe the District Judge over seeing the Trial, stated that whilst the RSPCAs record keeping wasn't the best in relation to this case, (or something similar) he agreed that there had been no intention to deliberately deceive the court.
 
But what about the putting down of the healthy horses, that is surely a point of accountability...isn't it? I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the intricacies but the overall case really upsets me
 
Frumpoon said:
But what about the putting down of the healthy horses, that is surely a point of accountability...isn't it? I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the intricacies but the overall case really upsets me
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I think once the horses were signed over to the RSPCA, they then became their legal owners and could do what they wished with them. We don't know why they took this decision other than at the time, their own equine centres were chock-a-block.
 
What the hell have I just read? This barefoot person is seriously justifying the state these horses were in? She seems to think that 'nailing shoes to living feet' is cruelty but depriving a horse of basic care is not? Priorities!

I could actually swear a lot here
 
Amaranta said:
What the hell have I just read? This barefoot person is seriously justifying the state these horses were in? She seems to think that 'nailing shoes to living feet' is cruelty but depriving a horse of basic care is not? Priorities!

I could actually swear a lot here
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Please do swear coz she's crazy.
 
Do people think if a petition was started to investigate the RSPCA, they would respond by hounding the person who started it? Having seen some of their tactics used on people, including the stories of them bullying elderly people it makes me wonder if that is the reason no one has started one, me included. I think I might start by contacting my MP, and go from there.
 
My colleague is a magistrate so far he is yet to come across a case presented by them which hasn't been targeted at a vulnerable person who was trying to do their best, following vets instructions etc but that the RSPCA felt fell short.
 
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