eahotson
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The sacked horse hitting ex teacher is going to court
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ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
This is the RSPCA trying to avoid criticism for not acting and also having a go at hunting, I think.
It simply isn't in the public interest to waste court time and money to prosecute this when there is a huge Covid backlog of dealing with real criminals. If the CPS had been given it I don't believe it would have met the threshold to get to court. IMO it's a misuse of charity funding against a women whose punishment has already been grossly disproportionate to her crime.
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It simply isn't in the public interest to waste court time and money to prosecute this when there is a huge Covid backlog of dealing with real criminals. If the CPS had been given it I don't believe it would have met the threshold to get to court. IMO it's a misuse of charity funding against a women whose punishment has already been grossly disproportionate to her crime.
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milliepops
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Problem is, i just don't think people WILL feel empowered. Depressing as it is, i don't think one person can make much difference in most situations. It's hard to work out how to say what i mean without coming across like a person with a massive superiority complex, which i am not, i teeter on the "we shouldn't have horses" rabbit hole edge pretty often. but there are a lot of people out there riding and handling horses with pretty minimal horsemanship/skill, who would give you a gobful if you commented on it. In fairness it's also easy to make a wrong judgement of something you happen upon the wrong moment and it is not always helpful to go wading in telling people they are Doing It All Wrong (what makes the onlooker *right* anyway?)
Behind closed doors i think it's almost impossible to have any influence. on the affiliated competition stage there are at least the red cards etc to flag the biggest abuses that happen in public. I have mostly bowed out of grass roots stuff, i got asked to judge for a little show once and i said to one participant's (accredited) instructor that the horse was lame and i wouldn't judge it, and was told to stop party pooping. well i just left them to party by themselves. I pretend it's not happening now. It feels like an unsolvable problem. the RSPCA aren't going to be videoing little informal events or yards 24/7
eahotson
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We could start ,of course,with the violence routinely dealt out in competition rings up and down the country.Mostly it's ignored.The worst thing otherwise is a fine and suspension.No criminal charge,no loss of job or vilification on social media.
Winters100
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While I hate what she did, and strongly suspect that I would dislike this woman if I ever met her, I begin to feel very sorry for her. What she did was wrong, but to lose your job and have to go into hiding, surely that is enough punishment?
J&S
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Sadly she is an "easy target", as people have said, there is far worse cruelty going on which does not get dealt with apropriately because it is hidden and not "out there". I too think she has been punished enough and that this court case is over kill.
windand rain
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I don't condone her actions she was stupid/arrogant enough to think she could do it without repercussion I don't think her actions warrant the hang draw and quarter process that has gone on. The RSPCA are reknown for going after easy targets mostly avoiding the more serious stuff from the thugs that perpetuate violence against horses. I too have seen far worse at shows usually in the lorry park and yes I did try to do something about it but it is not easy when they are likely to turn on you with equal violence
scats
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I would much rather see Harry Evans in court than this woman, to be honest. That video from a year or two ago will haunt me forever.
I’m assuming this is happening because it ended up all over the news, so the RSPCA have to be seen to act.
I’m assuming this is happening because it ended up all over the news, so the RSPCA have to be seen to act.
FestiveG
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I thought the RSPCA were giving up prosecutions in "cruelty " cases and were leaving out to the cps, which they should imo
PapaverFollis
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Dear God.
I've very much said my piece on this on the previous thread.
I just hope that the woman has good support.
I've very much said my piece on this on the previous thread.
I just hope that the woman has good support.
BeansNsausages
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This.
I hope she is reading this so she can see that the majority of us, although not condoning her behaviour, feel she needs to be cut some slack now.
Quigleyandme
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So the RSPCA will waste more of the money well meaning and trusting people donate or leave to them thinking it will be used to save animals from abuse and neglect on yet another spurious court case. Million pound donations to the Labour Party, plush new headquarters, the purchase of a large detached house for a cat sanctuary in which the director’s daughter and her eight pet cats were the only residents, rescued horses starved and neglected under their stewardship and hundreds of thousands wasted on prosecuting hunts. They are the bloody criminals here.
mariew
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Yup, agree it's using a viral media event to do some marketing for themselves, and I also wouldn't be surprised that the fact that she is a hunts woman has fuelled the fire. Trial by social media terrifies me as it just riles up the keyboard warriors into some sort of lynch mob mentality.
She did wrong but the punishment doesn't fit the crime
She did wrong but the punishment doesn't fit the crime
Nudibranch
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I don't know.
I'm a teacher.
I'm not a bunny hugger, and have given the odd wallop on the chest for downright rudeness in the past.
I have no time for the RSPCA.
I can't stand Packham.
I detest the way social media seems to have a bigger influence than the law these days.
I suspect she shouldn't really have lost her job over it.
I believe there are many worse cases of abuse and cruelty that should be dealt with.
And yet, I still can't muster any sympathy for her. The way she went at that horse, who wasn't being rude or dangerous, and kicked and smacked him in the face. That's pure temper. You just don't hit horses in the face. That is clear abuse and there is an element of an example needing to be made.
The fact that it's not the worst case of abuse doesn't mean it should go unpunished.
I'm a teacher.
I'm not a bunny hugger, and have given the odd wallop on the chest for downright rudeness in the past.
I have no time for the RSPCA.
I can't stand Packham.
I detest the way social media seems to have a bigger influence than the law these days.
I suspect she shouldn't really have lost her job over it.
I believe there are many worse cases of abuse and cruelty that should be dealt with.
And yet, I still can't muster any sympathy for her. The way she went at that horse, who wasn't being rude or dangerous, and kicked and smacked him in the face. That's pure temper. You just don't hit horses in the face. That is clear abuse and there is an element of an example needing to be made.
The fact that it's not the worst case of abuse doesn't mean it should go unpunished.
FestiveG
Over the hill and far awa
But surely "it" has already been punished way beyond what is reasonable?
minesadouble
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The RSPCA are beyond a joke! At the very least they should have their charitable status removed.
They have zero interest in animal welfare, I'm quite sure the vast majority of those who donate to them would not be happy to see their money spent in this way.
They have zero interest in animal welfare, I'm quite sure the vast majority of those who donate to them would not be happy to see their money spent in this way.
SO1
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I think you are wrong there. I expect most people who donate to RSPCA know nothing about horses and are anti hunting l. Many of their supporters may have seen that video and been horrified and the RSPCA could easily have been lobbied by their supporters to prosecute. They may even have high net worth supporters who have been willing to donate to fund the case.
The RSPCA has some very wealthy supporters including Deborah Meaden who has horses https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/rspca
I agree there are certainly situations which are much worse including dodgy dealers and professional riders but because they are not seen by the right person they probably get away with it.
This is probably strategic they have to been seen to be doing something if they didn't they may lose supporters and they may even gain supporters from this case such is the vitriol against hunting from the average person. Think of it as a fundraising investment. Yes the case will cost a lot of money but it will raise the profile of RSPCA, may attract new supporters and stop supporters from leaving they could actually end up being financially better off by taking this to court than by letting it go.
I doubt they will win. If they do win it will be a wake up call for the equestrian community as anyone who is able to film similar sort of behaviour would be able to send it to the RSPCA and expect them to investigate.
What we don't know is if this was a one off incident where the stress of the situation lead to unacceptable behaviour or if this woman regularly treats horses like this. If this is normal behaviour for this lady then it is a very different situation than if it is a one off.
The RSPCA has some very wealthy supporters including Deborah Meaden who has horses https://www.looktothestars.org/charity/rspca
I agree there are certainly situations which are much worse including dodgy dealers and professional riders but because they are not seen by the right person they probably get away with it.
This is probably strategic they have to been seen to be doing something if they didn't they may lose supporters and they may even gain supporters from this case such is the vitriol against hunting from the average person. Think of it as a fundraising investment. Yes the case will cost a lot of money but it will raise the profile of RSPCA, may attract new supporters and stop supporters from leaving they could actually end up being financially better off by taking this to court than by letting it go.
I doubt they will win. If they do win it will be a wake up call for the equestrian community as anyone who is able to film similar sort of behaviour would be able to send it to the RSPCA and expect them to investigate.
What we don't know is if this was a one off incident where the stress of the situation lead to unacceptable behaviour or if this woman regularly treats horses like this. If this is normal behaviour for this lady then it is a very different situation than if it is a one off.
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Birker2020
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I've just read that she was suspended then sacked following a thorough investigation. And removed from her voluntary role within the pony club I assume due to a possible transference of risk that might be associated with a role like that. Something I've been saying all along could/might happen in such a situation anyone in a position of trust.
The RSPCA are attempting to bring 2 charges against her.
This is one of the links, the original one I read this morning on my mobile which was 9 hours old I can't find.
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-25/woman-to-appear-in-court-charged-with-kicking-and-hitting-pony
The RSPCA are attempting to bring 2 charges against her.
This is one of the links, the original one I read this morning on my mobile which was 9 hours old I can't find.
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-25/woman-to-appear-in-court-charged-with-kicking-and-hitting-pony
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ycbm
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Birker2020
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It's not beyond what is reasonable though. It is perfectly reasonable given the role the woman did as a teacher.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/animal-cruelty-revised-2017/
This is a guideline for animal cruelty I've just pulled from the internet in respect of sentencing guidelines. Have no idea if it applies in this case but what I'm trying to stress is the sentence third from bottom.
Those of you on the forum who say "but I smack my horse" or "I lost my temper last week with the pony" - its not relevant. But if you were a teacher, nursery worker, doctor, coach or anything else whose role is predominately working with children then it would be relevant.
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meleeka
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Reasonable would have been banned from the hunt and a warning from the police. The whole country baying for blood was not reasonable imo.
FestiveG
Over the hill and far awa
Well your view of reasonable and just, is very different from mine. I prefer due process, rather than social media witch hunt.
CanteringCarrot
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So if I did what the woman did to the horse, but I'm an office secretary (for example), my consequences should be different? Interesting to consider when it comes to animal abuse, that different professions are held to different standards.
Pearlsacarolsinger
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That link does not match your summary, no mention of suspension from her job or that she was sacked. It simply says that she was 'let go' which can cover a multitude.
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Birker2020
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Do you work with children in your role as office secretary? No. Therefore there is nothing to safeguard.
If you worked with children in your role as office secretary it could be construed that there is a risk to children. If you are that short tempered and a child gave you a mouthful of cheek you could react and slap the child. Doubtful that could happen I know.
But the role that the person in question did meant she was surrounded by children all day long. THerefore the transference of risk is greater.
J&S
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This comes under the heading of "Any publicitiy is good publicity"!
honetpot
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Just a thought, what do people think about electric cattle prods, or electric collars for dogs, and how do they compare?
Birker2020
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I told you I was having an issue finding the article but I've found it now:
Leicestershire teacher Sarah Moulds charged with animal cruelty over video of horse being punched and kicked | UK News | Sky News
Third paragraph from end
southerncomfort
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I suspect statements from her supporters along the lines of ' she hasn't done anything wrong, the horse was being naughty' really didn't help her cause. I suspect if she'd expressed an iota of regret or remorse at any point the story would be old news by now.
Not sure how I feel about the prosecution. And I do think as a society we are very slow to forgive. But it's hard to feel sympathy for someone who refuses to acknowledge their poor behaviour.
Not sure how I feel about the prosecution. And I do think as a society we are very slow to forgive. But it's hard to feel sympathy for someone who refuses to acknowledge their poor behaviour.
Birker2020
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Not the issue here.
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