SOS
Well-Known Member
I hope your dog continues to improve on the new dose FL. I have a strange way of remembering things and learnt...
Diabetes insipidus
In-sip then Pee-this ?
Diabetes insipidus
In-sip then Pee-this ?
There is something wrong with Blomma
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FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
But you're right, they're saints, and I'm very grateful for that they put up with me.
Bellasophia
Well-Known Member
Don’t give up,you are stoic and going to find an answer to this!
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
sounding hopeful, fingers crossed for you
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
Morning pee was around normal amount, but second pee was smaller than Jonna's, and Beata's. Not alarmingly smaller though, but pee amount monitoring, and comparing, will definitely continue.
Perhaps just an odd coincidence, but I think Blomma likes what the pills does. Yesterday around 21 o'clock when I began to fiddle with her pill can, she came from sleeping in another room, I gave her the pill, and she went to lie down at another spot. But this morning when I began fiddling with the pill can around 9 o'clock, she again came from sleeping in another room, I gave her the pill, and she went back to the other room.
Interesting to see if it happens again. By the way, it isn't that pill can fiddling is a new sound she wants to investigate, because around 12 o'clock each day, Berta the cat gets ¼ of a B12 pill, since she developed a deficiency of it last year.
Anyhow, Berta the cat is still going strong. She did some very advanced acrobatics in the floor to ceiling cat tree in the kitchen last evening. She loves that we've already turned on the radiators (for her sake), and she's sometimes a bit picky with which getting spoiled food she wants to eat. So this far, she seems to be doing just fine.
Perhaps just an odd coincidence, but I think Blomma likes what the pills does. Yesterday around 21 o'clock when I began to fiddle with her pill can, she came from sleeping in another room, I gave her the pill, and she went to lie down at another spot. But this morning when I began fiddling with the pill can around 9 o'clock, she again came from sleeping in another room, I gave her the pill, and she went back to the other room.
Interesting to see if it happens again. By the way, it isn't that pill can fiddling is a new sound she wants to investigate, because around 12 o'clock each day, Berta the cat gets ¼ of a B12 pill, since she developed a deficiency of it last year.
Anyhow, Berta the cat is still going strong. She did some very advanced acrobatics in the floor to ceiling cat tree in the kitchen last evening. She loves that we've already turned on the radiators (for her sake), and she's sometimes a bit picky with which getting spoiled food she wants to eat. So this far, she seems to be doing just fine.
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
One week on the new dose of medication today, and a new urine sample delivered to the veterinarian this morning. And I have to admit that my pee collecting have reached new levels of madness.
During the weekly food shopping this Tuesday, I bought a new measuring cup, and a notepad. I'm now able to measure the pee amounts directly (by emptying the pee containers one by one in the measuring cup), and more exactly, and have started to write them down.
The last time I measured pee amounts for 3 days, I poured up water in another container to the same amount as the pee, and then measured the water in one of the kitchen measuring cups.
Which I have to admit was a bit of a hassle, so after that, I've simply looked at the containers, and compared the amounts visually. But no more of that, since this Tuesday, it is all properly measured, and written down.
The positive things this week is that she's tolerated the dose this time, her drinking is less excessive than before, and later in the day her pee amounts is actually similar to Jonna's, and Beata's.
But she still drinks more than she should, and some of her pee amounts, especially in the mornings (when it has been longer between the pills), is still bigger than the other two's.
The veterinarian have called back saying that Blomma's urine is still not at normal enough levels for them to be happy with the medicine dose.
We're going to try half a pill 3 times per day this time, but I also need to try and adjust the schedule over when I give the pills 3 times per day, between their 4 feeding times, a little.
If no overdosing symptoms occurs, new no food or water for 12 hours followed by urine sample taken to the veterinarian, will be done next Friday, or Monday.
So far Berta the cat also seems to be doing fine. Today she had quite a few things to say about the cloudy, and no sun forenoon, and voiced her complaints quite loudly. Later, after a mad run around the house after noon, to check so that there really wasn't any window with sun anywhere in the house, she have once again returned to bury herself deep down in under my mum's duvet.
Fingers crossed she doesn't go down hill during the weekend, when my ordinary veterinarian clinic is closed.
Anyhow, to leave you with an evidence of my madness, I took a photo of the copy I made this morning showing my girl's pee amounts, which I left at the veterinarian clinic together with the urine sample.
P.s. I of course couldn't let them have her urine sample without knowing how much it was, so I made sure to measure her urine first this morning, to not contaminate the sample.
P.p.s. It is raining outside, might need to bring an umbrella to make sure it doesn't dilute the pee samples I'm about to collect. Then we're going to go for our daily long walk, leaving the pee containers at home.
During the weekly food shopping this Tuesday, I bought a new measuring cup, and a notepad. I'm now able to measure the pee amounts directly (by emptying the pee containers one by one in the measuring cup), and more exactly, and have started to write them down.
The last time I measured pee amounts for 3 days, I poured up water in another container to the same amount as the pee, and then measured the water in one of the kitchen measuring cups.
Which I have to admit was a bit of a hassle, so after that, I've simply looked at the containers, and compared the amounts visually. But no more of that, since this Tuesday, it is all properly measured, and written down.
The positive things this week is that she's tolerated the dose this time, her drinking is less excessive than before, and later in the day her pee amounts is actually similar to Jonna's, and Beata's.
But she still drinks more than she should, and some of her pee amounts, especially in the mornings (when it has been longer between the pills), is still bigger than the other two's.
The veterinarian have called back saying that Blomma's urine is still not at normal enough levels for them to be happy with the medicine dose.
We're going to try half a pill 3 times per day this time, but I also need to try and adjust the schedule over when I give the pills 3 times per day, between their 4 feeding times, a little.
If no overdosing symptoms occurs, new no food or water for 12 hours followed by urine sample taken to the veterinarian, will be done next Friday, or Monday.
So far Berta the cat also seems to be doing fine. Today she had quite a few things to say about the cloudy, and no sun forenoon, and voiced her complaints quite loudly. Later, after a mad run around the house after noon, to check so that there really wasn't any window with sun anywhere in the house, she have once again returned to bury herself deep down in under my mum's duvet.
Fingers crossed she doesn't go down hill during the weekend, when my ordinary veterinarian clinic is closed.
Anyhow, to leave you with an evidence of my madness, I took a photo of the copy I made this morning showing my girl's pee amounts, which I left at the veterinarian clinic together with the urine sample.
P.s. I of course couldn't let them have her urine sample without knowing how much it was, so I made sure to measure her urine first this morning, to not contaminate the sample.
P.p.s. It is raining outside, might need to bring an umbrella to make sure it doesn't dilute the pee samples I'm about to collect. Then we're going to go for our daily long walk, leaving the pee containers at home.
Bellasophia
Well-Known Member
You are doing so well to keep tables and this routine.I like a plan.It keeps one focused on the things you can do and worry less about the what if’s.
Hang in there,hopefully you will find that balance with the meds and have some calm moments to relax a bit .
Hang in there,hopefully you will find that balance with the meds and have some calm moments to relax a bit .
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Dr FL and her amazing pee study..... ???
Bellasophia
Well-Known Member
Lev..Maybe she will get a pee HD?
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
Who knows, I'll be sure to thank my saintly, and patient girls if that ever happens.
By the way, it is the new Coronavirus entertainment in our house. I open the door, and shouts "Pee containers, anyone wants to look?"
My mum, and dad hurriedly comes, and before I measure them up, we stand there visually estimating the latest 3 samples standing in a row.
And it does help take our minds of other things, like Berta, because at least this is something we hopefully can do something about.
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Nearly spat out my drink at that ?
Rumtytum
Have Marmite, will travel
You and your data are pretty amazing FL, I’m glad you bought a measuring container specifically for pee and you weren’t tempted to use your kitchen one ?
ester
Not slacking multitasking
FL pee measuring seems entirely normal behaviour to me, with the lack of measuring cups I'd have been weighing it
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
FL pee measuring seems entirely normal behaviour to me, with the lack of measuring cups I'd have been weighing it
Don't give me any ideas!
Although I'll try to remember it, in case if the measuring cup would happen to break.
planete
Well-Known Member
I was just going to suggest weighing it as being perhaps more accurate, ester beat me to it
MrsMozartleto
Just passing through...
You're doing remarkably well lass! You'll be a pee expert.
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
We've had a minor crisis on the container front. After having left several pee samples to the veterinarian lately, I felt it was best to fill up my stack of saved Chinese takeaway containers, and decided to buy such food for today's dinner. Only to find out that "my" Chinese takeaway restaurant have stopped with their usual seethrough plastic containers!
The food came in some useless for collecting pee samples in/check pee amounts, paper containers!
There is no way I can reuse these, because I can't put them in the dishwasher, and the design have some difficult to get clean corners, so if I only handwash them, I feel there is a risk my veterinarian will come and tell me they found something odd in Blomma's urine sample - Chinese takeaway food sauce!
Fortunately my stash of containers isn't completely empty, but to be on the safe side, I've made a visit to the nearest large food shopping store (at a time with few other customers ETA I did need to buy some other things as well), and have now bought a few of 2 different sized seethrough freezable food containers.
When the current pee amounts checking containers needs to be replaced, I will in the future now be able to both freeze their pee to minus 40°C, and microwave it. But one of the types of containers I bought, is a bit wider than the current containers, and the other type is a bit smaller. I couldn't find any new containers as ideal in size for collecting pee in, as the takeaway containers.
You can imagine how I felt when I saw the new paper containers containing my dinner today. Logically, I know it tasted as good as usual, but I'm so disappointed about the containers. So deeply disappointed.
The food came in some useless for collecting pee samples in/check pee amounts, paper containers!
There is no way I can reuse these, because I can't put them in the dishwasher, and the design have some difficult to get clean corners, so if I only handwash them, I feel there is a risk my veterinarian will come and tell me they found something odd in Blomma's urine sample - Chinese takeaway food sauce!Fortunately my stash of containers isn't completely empty, but to be on the safe side, I've made a visit to the nearest large food shopping store (at a time with few other customers ETA I did need to buy some other things as well), and have now bought a few of 2 different sized seethrough freezable food containers.
When the current pee amounts checking containers needs to be replaced, I will in the future now be able to both freeze their pee to minus 40°C, and microwave it. But one of the types of containers I bought, is a bit wider than the current containers, and the other type is a bit smaller. I couldn't find any new containers as ideal in size for collecting pee in, as the takeaway containers.
You can imagine how I felt when I saw the new paper containers containing my dinner today. Logically, I know it tasted as good as usual, but I'm so disappointed about the containers. So deeply disappointed.
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chaps89
Well-Known Member
Oh @FinnishLapphund I do so love your posts
I'm sorry that your dinner arrived in its new eco friendly packaging and you weren't able to find the same size replacement. Maybe the smaller container you bought will actually be easier to use though?
I'm sorry that your dinner arrived in its new eco friendly packaging and you weren't able to find the same size replacement. Maybe the smaller container you bought will actually be easier to use though?
Widgeon
Well-Known Member
This is hilarious. Perhaps you could drop the takeaway an email to explain your disappointment about their new eco friendly containers? ....then post their reply on here?
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
They're smaller as in lower, I risk giving one of my thumb tip's a urine bath every time I use it. In hindsight I should maybe have brought a container with me to compare.
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
I highly doubt they would be able to change back, so not much point. However I'm very tempted to try and contact other Chinese restaurants in the city to see if they've also switched to these new eco friendly but non pee friendly monstrosities. But my shyness is happy that I have leftovers to eat today, so maybe I'll delay it for awhile.
chaps89
Well-Known Member
Oh dear, that's not something you want.
On the plus side you have leftover Chinese takeaway to eat today, which is one of the best meals ever imo.
rabatsa
Confuddled
For smaller wee samples perhaps a soup ladle could be employed?
alibali
Well-Known Member
How is Blomma? Have you managed to find a suitable dosage?
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
Besides that I've measured how much our soup ladle can contain, and it is only between 0,6-0,7 dl, and that the majority of their daily pees are larger than that amount, there is also a bigger problem. It isn't really my soup ladle. I live in a two family house with my parents, never used my own little kitchen, without share with mum and dad (why have two refrigerators going, when you can have only one etc) = I don't have a soup ladle of my own.
I actually mentioned to my mum that I had seen soup ladles being suggested as pee collectors on another thread a few weeks ago, mum was equally amused, and horrified. It was very clear that she would not be happy if I tried using our soup ladle as pee collector, and putting it in the dishwasher afterwards.
And buying a new one only to use as pee collector, hm, I'm not sure I would want to explain to a store clerk that the amount the ladle can contain is important because I want to be able to collect as much pee as possible.
Blomma is her usual happy self, always happy whenever she's about to get something to eat, usually does a few happy bounces after having peed in the container, etc.
However, judging by her pee amounts, and how much they fluctuates during the day + that she still usually stands and soaks in water from the water bowl once per day, I would not be surprised if her veterinarian will want to try another dosage after they've had the next pee sample.
It seems it is very finicky to find which dosage that works for her. It doesn't help that she must not get the pills near feeding times, and that Jonna's old liver (she's 15) requires them to get fed 4 times per day. But sooner or later, I hope we will get it right.
Bellasophia
Well-Known Member
In the past we have used Tupperware box like containers,and lined them before each collection with aluminum foil...the containers can go through the dish washer after a soapy wash first...this way you always have a container.The tinfoil liner is changed each time.
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
Thanks for the suggestion, but even though I might seem like an energetic person collecting all these pee samples, I'm actually rather lazy. The thought of having to also add fiddling with tin foil for doing each pee sample, besides taking them out one by one, measuring up their pee amounts, writing that down, and cleaning the containers + measuring cup, simply sounds like a step too far for my inner laziness.
The potential future replacement pee containers I've already found will simply have to do, if I don't happen to come across some more suitable ones. Or I happen to find a less eco friendly Chinese takeaway restaurant.
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
By the way, Berta our Cornish Rex cat that was diagnosed with cancer, which will be 3 weeks ago on Friday, is to our surprise still here. The way the veterinarian talked about it, we thought we'd be lucky to have her 1 week, or maybe 2.
The tumour changes shape, and maybe size, a bit back and forth, but haven't yet really continued to grow larger than when the veterinarian looked at her.
She's always been cuddly, and periodically some days even more cuddly. Since before we found the tumour, she's some days been even more cuddly, but it's hard to tell if it's one of her usual some days being overly cuddly periods, or if it is because of the tumour.
Other than that, she's been her usual Not the sharpest tool in the box, talkative, heatseeking missile-self.
Although she nearly gave us all heart attacks earlier today. She's soon 14 years, and 8 months old, and she's never ever shown any interest in the front door what so ever. Well, come today, mum wanted to show dad something in the garden near the front door, he must not have closed the door properly, and guess who followed behind them? Apparently finding it very interesting to check out this new world she suddenly had found outside both house, and cat enclosures?
I was indoors, when I suddenly heard mum shout "Berta! Catch her, hurry! Berta!!"
Fortunately she was happy to let herself be caught, but she gave us all a fright.
Anyhow, we're a bit undecided. We don't want to wait until she's in pain, and we're a bit worried about the risk she might go downhill during the weekend when our usual veterinarian clinic is closed. At the same time she seems to be enjoying her life, and it is hard to let her go.
I did the Quality of life test some days ago, to be able to use Berta's score in a reply on another thread, and her score is 60. On a scale where 80 is the Perfect score, and 8 is the My good why is it still alive/or as they called it Please contact your veterinarian, score.
We assess her daily, and have talked about maybe deciding on a day to euthanise her on, but, well, all I can say is that it doesn't seem as if it will happen today.
The tumour changes shape, and maybe size, a bit back and forth, but haven't yet really continued to grow larger than when the veterinarian looked at her.
She's always been cuddly, and periodically some days even more cuddly. Since before we found the tumour, she's some days been even more cuddly, but it's hard to tell if it's one of her usual some days being overly cuddly periods, or if it is because of the tumour.
Other than that, she's been her usual Not the sharpest tool in the box, talkative, heatseeking missile-self.
Although she nearly gave us all heart attacks earlier today. She's soon 14 years, and 8 months old, and she's never ever shown any interest in the front door what so ever. Well, come today, mum wanted to show dad something in the garden near the front door, he must not have closed the door properly, and guess who followed behind them? Apparently finding it very interesting to check out this new world she suddenly had found outside both house, and cat enclosures?
I was indoors, when I suddenly heard mum shout "Berta! Catch her, hurry! Berta!!"
Fortunately she was happy to let herself be caught, but she gave us all a fright.
Anyhow, we're a bit undecided. We don't want to wait until she's in pain, and we're a bit worried about the risk she might go downhill during the weekend when our usual veterinarian clinic is closed. At the same time she seems to be enjoying her life, and it is hard to let her go.
I did the Quality of life test some days ago, to be able to use Berta's score in a reply on another thread, and her score is 60. On a scale where 80 is the Perfect score, and 8 is the My good why is it still alive/or as they called it Please contact your veterinarian, score.
We assess her daily, and have talked about maybe deciding on a day to euthanise her on, but, well, all I can say is that it doesn't seem as if it will happen today.
Rumtytum
Have Marmite, will travel
Bless her! She is one perfectly curled cat ?. Hoping she continues to enjoy her life.
FinnishLapphund
There's no cow on the ice
New no food, or water test for Blomma, followed by morning pee sample delivered to the veterinarian this morning. Her ability to concentrate urine is better than last week, but still not good enough for the veterinarian to be satisfied. The saga finding the right medication dosage will continue...
Now we're going to try giving 3/4 of a pill again, but only twice a day at first. Some day next week I should try switching up to giving that dosage 3 times per day again. It gave overdosing symptoms the last time we tried that, but then we had mainly thought about not giving the medicine too close to their 4 feeding times per day, because the medication shouldn't be given with food.
This last week we've been giving the 1/2 a pill with 8 hours between them. Due to the previous overdosing symptoms, the veterinarian said that next week when I increase the 3/4 pills to 3 times per day, ideally it should be 8 hours between, but I also shouldn't give the last pill just before I'm going to bed, without that I should be able to monitor her a little while first. Yet, she should still get the next pill 8 hours later in the morning, the following day.
Also due to the previous overdosing symptoms, I would prefer to know that she doesn't pee a too small amount in the morning, before giving the first pill of the day. However, I also need to squeeze in some sleep during the night, and then we have the 4 feeding times...
But the positive thing is that unless anything happens, we don't need to go back with a new morning pee sample until 2 weeks from now. The veterinarian said I didn't need to come in with one next week, because I seem to monitor her so well.
It also seems as if they've mentioned last week's pee amounts table paper at the clinic. Because it was another nurse behind the counter this morning, yet, I didn't need to say anything about today's table paper that I had placed on the counter, before the nurse took it saying something like "I presume this is last week's pee table"!
(ETA Promenad = their daily long walk.)
Another very positive thing is that we decided to try another Chinese restaurant nearby today, with the fingers crossed for what the takeaway food would arrive in.
4 perfectly suitable future pee containers! No useless eco friendly paper containers, I'm so happy! We might buy food from there a few times more.
Thank you to those who continue to take your time to read my updates on this thread. <3
Now we're going to try giving 3/4 of a pill again, but only twice a day at first. Some day next week I should try switching up to giving that dosage 3 times per day again. It gave overdosing symptoms the last time we tried that, but then we had mainly thought about not giving the medicine too close to their 4 feeding times per day, because the medication shouldn't be given with food.
This last week we've been giving the 1/2 a pill with 8 hours between them. Due to the previous overdosing symptoms, the veterinarian said that next week when I increase the 3/4 pills to 3 times per day, ideally it should be 8 hours between, but I also shouldn't give the last pill just before I'm going to bed, without that I should be able to monitor her a little while first. Yet, she should still get the next pill 8 hours later in the morning, the following day.
Also due to the previous overdosing symptoms, I would prefer to know that she doesn't pee a too small amount in the morning, before giving the first pill of the day. However, I also need to squeeze in some sleep during the night, and then we have the 4 feeding times...
But the positive thing is that unless anything happens, we don't need to go back with a new morning pee sample until 2 weeks from now. The veterinarian said I didn't need to come in with one next week, because I seem to monitor her so well.
It also seems as if they've mentioned last week's pee amounts table paper at the clinic. Because it was another nurse behind the counter this morning, yet, I didn't need to say anything about today's table paper that I had placed on the counter, before the nurse took it saying something like "I presume this is last week's pee table"!
(ETA Promenad = their daily long walk.)
Another very positive thing is that we decided to try another Chinese restaurant nearby today, with the fingers crossed for what the takeaway food would arrive in.
4 perfectly suitable future pee containers! No useless eco friendly paper containers, I'm so happy! We might buy food from there a few times more.
Thank you to those who continue to take your time to read my updates on this thread. <3
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