This breeding...!?

[Michen]

Forgive my ignorance as I know nothing about breeding and genuinely curious but just saw this breeding on a connie... Is this common!? Surely it's a bit.. close?

 

[milliepops]

Take it you've never looked at Welsh bloodlines ?

 

[Michen]

Take it you've never looked at Welsh bloodlines ?

Never looked at any bar my own horses tbh! Hence my susprise. I just didn't expect to see it so close in generations.

 

[milliepops]

This is kira, expect there would be more repetition if someone filled in the blanks ?

 

[rara007]

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/templedruid+ginga

One of our PBs

 

[spacefaer]

Not that close. A little bit of line breeding but only one stallion in common.
Not unusual

 

[Meowy Catkin]

My gelding has El Shaklan five times. https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/taj+amir

 

[Michen]

Gosh I had no idea. Haven’t noticed it on any of the three connies I’ve had/have. Thanks all!

 

[Meowy Catkin]

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/templedruid+ginga

One of our PBs

I think you win LOL!

 

[ester]

I was looking at it really hard going but that's two generations back (also a welsh owner)

 

[SEL]

My friend always said her old welshie had a gene puddle rather than a gene pool ?

 

[Cloball]

Outside of welshies I've met some line bred warmbloods with much worse, and some trad cobs.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I've also seen a fair amount of this in TB's

 

[Archangel]

Years ago I worked on an Arab stud and there were deformed foals as a result of line breeding.

 

[shortstuff99]

Here is my PRE fillies breeding ?. Although she has great conformation and tough.

 

[TheMule]

There's a stallion being marketed who is by Horse A and out of Horse A's half sister. To me that is too close

 

[Michen]

So I guess it’s generally accepted as ok, and you don’t get odd foals as a result?

 

[Pinkvboots]

So I guess it’s generally accepted as ok, and you don’t get odd foals as a result?

Yes most studs do it generally with most breeds.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Most important thing is that there are no 'nasties' in the breeding that would be more likely to crop up when doubled up.

 

[ycbm]

So I guess it’s generally accepted as ok, and you don’t get odd foals as a result?

Generally accepted? Only by breeders wanting to win shows, I think.

It's "line breeding" if you don't get deformed foals and "inbreeding" if you do. Same in dogs.

 

[Annagain]

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This is kira, expect there would be more repetition if someone filled in the blanks ?View attachment 67870

She has to be the first Welshie I've seen without Nebo Black Magic in there somewhere! Although Pentre Eiddwen Comet is and he's NBM's sire so maybe I should say I've never seen a D without PEC in its breeding now .
My old boy's breeding - only three repeats but they each appear 3 times! https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sheadon+ebony

This also shows my old boy was related to both Kira and Rara's PB - the Welsh gene pool really isn't that big.

 

[LEC]

There was a discussion recently and 2 x 3 is fine 3 x 3 is better.

 

[DirectorFury]

I'm actually impressed at the relatively few repeats MPs Kira and AGs Welsh have!
This is mine - https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/maesnewydd+modlen - 22 duplicated appearances in total :O
It's a wonder she doesn't have 5 legs and two heads ?.

 

[McFluff]

I've just looked at my WelshD - he has Nebo Black Magic in his 5th line (so his great, great, great grand line) SIX times :O
I'm amazed that he is as sane as he is!

 

[ester]

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She has to be the first Welshie I've seen without Nebo Black Magic in there somewhere! Although Pentre Eiddwen Comet is and he's NBM's sire so maybe I should say I've never seen a D without PEC in its breeding now .
My old boy's breeding - only three repeats but they each appear 3 times! https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sheadon+ebony

This also shows my old boy was related to both Kira and Rara's PB - the Welsh gene pool really isn't that big.

We don’t have NBM but do have PEC but no repeats until the great grandparent stage
https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/waundafydd+glyndwr

 

[Annagain]

We don’t have NBM but do have PEC but no repeats until the great grandparent stage
https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/waundafydd+glyndwr

yes you do - 8th one up from the bottom in the great great great grandparents.

 

[katastrophykat]

My welsh C is loads closer than my A’s...

the A’s (full brothers so both the same!)

And the C

 

[tristar]

if you use the best lines to start with inbreeding is not needed, i am always on the look out for outcrosses and new bloodlines and never inbreed

 

[Hallo2012]

Blimey.....some of those are so close!!

mine:

 

[Annagain]

So far my old boy is related to every single other D on this thread - he was born a long time before them (we lost him in 2005) but they all share ancestry - as I said, it goes to show the gene pool is a bit limited!