Thoughts/comments on Burghley vids?

kerilli said:
Sorry, I disagree. Up until their fall they were doing a totally class round and he looked like a 10 year old, imho.
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Totally agree - I'm not experienced at eventing (even the thought scares me stiff!) but I am experienced with older horses, and I was thinking how fantastic he looked before their unfortunate fall. He was having a ball out there.
 
But he didn't did he? He was decked on an appalling stride when left to his own devices. He was far too long with no help - I don't care about rider sensibility in this case, I've followed this horse for years, and he did NOT deserve that.
 
kerilli said:
Sorry, I disagree. Up until their fall they were doing a totally class round and he looked like a 10 year old, imho.
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I totally agree with this, he looked amazing and I felt that the rider was doing brilliantly.....if anything the horse looked very strong, but they way he jumped some of the earlier fences (the big white parralell for instance) was brilliant...I take my hat off to the young jockey; not only did she ride him well, but also the inevitable pressure of riding a horse taken over from someone else with whom the horse had won a 4 star......Good effort.

JB x
 
well, i think she was doing absolutely great up till that point, then she got a bit carried away and made a rather awful mistake... but hell, so did some other riders (i'm sure one had 3 bad missers but got away with them all). as said above, hopefully she'll learn from it, and let's hope that he's absolutely fine.
 
Caledonia i really don't think Georgie did that on purpose!!!!! Its eventing and s*** happens! It was unfortunate and as Kerilli said they were plenty of other near misses!
I thought the horse looked fab, she rode well imo just a little over riding at that fence. Go on you do better.
Just because you have followed the horse for years doesn't mean you have any way of understanding how to ride him. Sorry to be like this but this is not a place to rip people apart for own personal reasons. Take it else where.
 
He was looking flambuoyant and was enjoying himself but it was wing and a prayer stuff. His class and scope was keeping him out of trouble but the rider needs to learn to present her horse at the fence in balance to make his life easier. Good cross country riding is about going fast but safely with economy of effort. If you don't see the top riders doing anything to prepare for a fence it is because either they have already done it or they have already got the horse balanced and infront of them so their job is done.
 
kerilli said:
well, i think she was doing absolutely great up till that point, then she got a bit carried away and made a rather awful mistake... but hell, so did some other riders (i'm sure one had 3 bad missers but got away with them all). as said above, hopefully she'll learn from it, and let's hope that he's absolutely fine.
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I hope they are both fine too, but that's not the point - I'm not prone to ripping riders apart, but this really upset me. It's a rider's job to prepare the horse, and she didn't, and he had a horrible fall. And there were other similar approaches on younger horses, I grant you, but 19 is old to be going at that level without respect for his age. And for whoever mentioned it, I'd be delighted if a 19yo could teach a YR, but not to let make mistakes at this level.
 
Grandstand jockeys!!!!! Hey horse aren't machines, neither are the the riders, We all make mistakes!!
You all have short memorys Hooray Henry jumped around Badders well into his teens++, and thats when a three day included roads and tracks and steeplechase!!
Can you honestly say that the horse was underpressure/not happy?
Give the kid a break if it was Oli, Pippa, Mary I bet you'd say it was horses fault!!( Is getting body armour out)
 
ElleJS said:
Caledonia i really don't think Georgie did that on purpose!!!!! Its eventing and s*** happens! It was unfortunate and as Kerilli said they were plenty of other near misses!
I thought the horse looked fab, she rode well imo just a little over riding at that fence. Go on you do better.
Just because you have followed the horse for years doesn't mean you have any way of understanding how to ride him. Sorry to be like this but this is not a place to rip people apart for own personal reasons. Take it else where.
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I am totally unbiased - why on earth do you think it's personal? And the go on you do better argument doesn't wash - do you think she gave him a decent shot at jumping the fence? If you do, then that is scary, and if you don't then why am i wrong?
 
oldvic said:
He was looking flambuoyant and was enjoying himself but it was wing and a prayer stuff. His class and scope was keeping him out of trouble but the rider needs to learn to present her horse at the fence in balance to make his life easier. Good cross country riding is about going fast but safely with economy of effort. If you don't see the top riders doing anything to prepare for a fence it is because either they have already done it or they have already got the horse balanced and infront of them so their job is done.
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Putting it far better than me.
 
This would be such a great thread for Georgie to read, NOT!! Poor kid is probably beating herself up enough as it is. So she missed/ had a blonde moment it happens. Everyone misses!!
I know the horse from when he was at Hoys and he is not easy!!!
 
I don't think she had a great shot and she was far too loose but i don't understand why she has to be crusified, mistakes happen all the time and why the horses age has anything to do with it I don't know! Thats all, i just think it is a shame people have to focus on the unfortunate moments.... but hey thats some people i guess.
 
To change subject :p surely Pippa DID hesitate at the leaf pit? Anyone else have a view? :rolleyes: Great coverage and loved Mark Todd, Mary and WFP's rounds. :D
 
Kiribati_uk said:
This would be such a great thread for Georgie to read, NOT!! Poor kid is probably beating herself up enough as it is. So she missed/ had a blonde moment it happens. Everyone misses!!
I know the horse from when he was at Hoys and he is not easy!!!
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And luckily they both are OK.
 
Hornby said:
To change subject :p surely Pippa DID hesitate at the leaf pit? Anyone else have a view? :rolleyes: Great coverage and loved Mark Todd, Mary and WFP's rounds. :D
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Hesitate yes, step back I don't know 100% and that's the difference between a stop or not.

*goes off to watch again*
 
ElleJS said:
I don't think she had a great shot and she was far too loose but i don't understand why she has to be crusified, mistakes happen all the time and why the horses age has anything to do with it I don't know! Thats all, i just think it is a shame people have to focus on the unfortunate moments.... but hey thats some people i guess.
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Of course the horse's age is relevant - if he's been ridden a certain way all his life, to be ridden differently will affect him. And his sharpness at getting out of trouble will be affected by his physical capability to respond because of his age . It's different to horses that have been ridden at older ages by the same person for years - they know each other so well it's instinctive.

I'm not bashing the rider per se, I just don't think that Burghley should be a learning curve to this extent. I've been around this sport long enough to see people and horses I knew killed, for reasons as simple as 'just missing'. It happens, but surely to god pointing out the flaws can't be a bad thing?:confused:
 
We were told by Eric Winter when jump judging last week that no forward motion for more than 2-3 seconds was 20 pens and this was for intro/PN event!
 
Alexander Peternell came into the arena v fast and slightly stood off the first element. His horse looked to falter a bit and left a leg resulting in them both skidding along the ground and into the third element of the arena combination. It shifted the fence a bit and I must say we were a bit surprised it did not get moved back. Heart in mouth moment for me when Lauren Shannon came through to see how it rode, but was perfect which just foes to show, perhaps the people there on the ground do have a clue and those of us watching should shut up?!

Lauren Shannon was amazing, such a class rider, and I was so pleased for Francis too - saw him at the cascade and no way was sir p stopping there!

I do hope Nicola Malcolm is ok, poor girl.

Lots of kudos to the lithuainian guy who missed his horse horribly at the railway crossing and as he landed slapped his hand to his face, shook his head and patted the horse.
 
LEC said:
We were told by Eric Winter when jump judging last week that no forward motion for more than 2-3 seconds was 20 pens and this was for intro/PN event!
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Wow!

Ok, this is what it says with regards to refusals within the FEI rules:

'At obstacles or elements with height (exceeding 30 cm), a horse is considered to have refused if it stops in front of the obstacle to be jumped.

At all other obstacles (i.e. 30 cm or less in height) a stop followed immediately by a standing jump is not however penalised, but if the halt is sustained or in any way prolonged, this constitutes a refusal. The horse may step sideways but if it steps back, this is a refusal.'

Now to me, a drop's under 30cm in height (unless drops are measured from ground level upwards, ie: from point of landing to point of take off, anyone know?) so PF was right to have it removed as he didn't go backwards as far as I can see.

Be interested to know from anyone stood at that fence at the time :)
 
Teapot, I think you are right ;) as it was a drop and a sideways step not a backwards one so not a refusal (according to BE) not sure if FEI different but can't be as 20 pen have been removed. :D
 
M. Monarch very poorly ridden, v. much on a wing and prayer the whole way round, shocked that supposedly experience eventers on here think he looked 'great'.
Poor horse, he paid the consequence, and interesting reading that article-to me if a top rider feels the horse has done enough, it probably has.
Was not the only rider doing that mind, and some other horses also could have done with some more rider support-Dan Jocelyns Special Attorney should have been retired earlier imo, he was struggling for some reason today, really did not look right at any point
And the grey who was jumping by brail at one point, was waiting to happen (when he fell later), BUT I think he was one you could be forgiven for keeping trying, as he picked up after that until his fall.
 
kerilli said:
Sorry, I disagree. Up until their fall they were doing a totally class round .
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I don't agree with that at all. There were several jumps where the horse either got too close or missed out a stride, due to lack of direction from his jockey. The whole water complex was a mess.

Glad they're OK and I do agree that he looked very sprightly, if a little lost at times when he wasn't being put on the right stride!
 
Really, really enjoyed yesterday. Haven't missed Burghley xc day for more than 20 years and yesterday was one of the best (apart from Nicola Malcolm's fall - hope she recovers very soon).

The course seemed very fair - I know some people thought it was easier than usual but to me it was more flowing than usual (does flowing = easier? Not sure). There were tons of alternatives and anyone going for a completion rather than a placing had lots and lots of opportunity to get round, albeit with a cricket score of time penalties but I guess it depends on what you are wanting to achieve.

The quality of the riding was, overall, much improved on last year. Those who got their stride right made it look very simple. Those who didn't, or who interfered with their horses, really struggled. It was also very nice to see so many horses fit enough to compete. Some years, there have been horses that haven't been up to the required fitness levels but this year, every horse looked full of running.

I think the organisers, and particularly the commentary team, did a superb job of keeping an anxious crowd pre-occupied whilst the medics dealt with Nicola. And hats off to the riders who went in and tried their best to help - that must be nerve wracking to be chit chatting and sounding calm when one of your own is so badly injured.

Yes, a couple of fences collapsed but thank goodness they did, otherwise there would have been significant injuries to horses.

All in all, a memorable day for the right reasons :)

Well done Burghley Team
 
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