Goldenstar
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Good luck tomorrow I hope it brings you answers or the beginnings of answers at the very least a plan .
My vet said his feet weren’t too bad. New farrier couldn’t understand why he was put in the 3d pads with impression material. But would explain how he went sound in normal shoes after the thrush and has been lame ever since he had heart bars and then these.One of my Arab's has coffin joint arthritis he had just normal front shoes on when diagnosed he had it treated last June and then he started to look short infront and tripping and at times almost scuffing his toes as he walked, I spoke with my farrier as I was sure it was the shoes causing it so we took them off and immediately he walked so much better so I have kept them off.
I have to be careful on hard ground but his been so much better, he had an under run heel on one front which only started to happen after he fractured the pedal bone in quite a rare place on the side of the toe, most fracture on the wing up higher so my vet said it could have contributed to how his foot grew afterwards.
Looking at your horses hooves I think some time out of shoes would really benefit and improve them, it doesn't actually take long for a whole hoof to grow and by then the hoof usually looks much healthier.
He was on farriers formula then he went off it. He’s always been on biotin since he’s been with me. Vet isn’t concerned about his coffin joint arthritis for the work he is in. He also reviewed his previous X-rays and had no concerns.Having a proper look at those pictures his hoof wall is not in great condition and the soles are quite flat so even with a shoe, his probably feeling alot through those soles and then the pedal bone is literally just under the sole so if his already got arthritis his gonna be sore.
If his not already on a good hoof supplement I would put him on one I used progressive earth platinum hoof for Arabi when he initially had all his hoof issues and it really helped.
If the vet didn't think his feet were that bad goodness knows what he's comparing them with.My vet said his feet weren’t too bad. New farrier couldn’t understand why he was put in the 3d pads with impression material. But would explain how he went sound in normal shoes after the thrush and has been lame ever since he had heart bars and then these.
im not getting into a debate about his feet. They are much better than they were 12 months ago.If the vet didn't think his feet were that bad goodness knows what he's comparing them with.
thisIf the vet didn't think his feet were that bad goodness knows what he's comparing them with.
I will work closely with my new farrier and do what’s best. Thanks.His toes are extraordinarily long. The frog should be 2/3 of the length of the foot and his are okay less. His heels are also badly contracted. If you want this horse to stay sound for a good long time in future, you'd be well advised to give him 6 months out of shoes, in graduated work, using boots and pads if necessary.
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This was his frog (Same hoof as the one above) , picture taken 5th November. He was sound in these shoes once the Thrush was cleared up. He has since then been in Heart Bars and then those 3rd Impression pads and Lame.I will work closely with my new farrier and do what’s best. Thanks.
t I think the difference in posts is that on the one side it is easy to say he was sound in these shoes (whichever they were at the time) but others, who have wide experience of poor quality feet many having been there, actually look at the quality of the feet and see that is where the real problem is. ie shoes are the sticking plaster to try and keep a horse sound, the real problem is the underlying state of the feet and how the overall condition can be improved to produce good quality feet.This was his frog (Same hoof as the one above) , picture taken 5th November. He was sound in these shoes once the Thrush was cleared up. He has since then been in Heart Bars and then those 3rd Impression pads and Lame.
I will take the advice from my new farrier.
There is no thrush, hasn't been since late October... and it wasn't as deep as we though as the frog had recovered quickly and the heels weren't sheered as we thought before. So when the vet came yesterday there was no comment on thrush because he doesn't have any so it hasn't been overlooked in this instance.t I think the difference in posts is that on the one side it is easy to say he was sound in these shoes (whichever they were at the time) but others, who have wide experience of poor quality feet many having been there, actually look at the quality of the feet and see that is where the real problem is. ie shoes are the sticking plaster to try and keep a horse sound, the real problem is the underlying state of the feet and how the overall condition can be improved to produce good quality feet.
i'm afraid I've met several vets who have completely overlooked foot quality possibly because they see thrush and poor quality feet all the time so it is just normal. Some have not even pointed out thrush problems to the owner.
Thank you.That’s such good news .
You do need to get the feet in better condition and that will take a bit of trial and error with supplements and potions .
Good luck with the new farrier .
lI wasn't suggesting your feet still had thrush merely commenting on the overall poor quality of your feet. Contracted heels at one end, seedy toe at the other. If foot quality was considerably improved the horse may stay sound for much longer.There is no thrush, hasn't been since late October... and it wasn't as deep as we though as the frog had recovered quickly and the heels weren't sheered as we thought before. So when the vet came yesterday there was no comment on thrush because he doesn't have any so it hasn't been overlooked in this instance.
As I said, I have a new farrier who I will work closely with in the hope we can improve his feet.
lI wasn't suggesting your feet still had thrush merely commenting on the overall poor quality of your feet. Contracted heels at one end, seedy toe at the other. If foot quality was considerably improved the horse may stay sound for much longer.
I agree but I wasn't wanting to be antagonisticThough to be fair a deep, dark sulcus like that is so often hiding apparently mild thrush that would be dismissed as non-existent or insignificant by vets and farriers. I once had a client whose horse was lame on and off for months on end, they finally found thrush via xray and it was extensive apparently (not heard of anything like it before or since, and don't know more detail).
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No, he felt the lameness which he described at 2/10th lame was too much for coffin joints. He also nerve blocked.Did your vet take new x-rays to compare with the five year old ones?
Though to be fair a deep, dark sulcus like that is so often hiding apparently mild thrush that would be dismissed as non-existent or insignificant by vets and farriers. I once had a client whose horse was lame on and off for months on end, they finally found thrush via xray and it was extensive apparently (not heard of anything like it before or since, and don't know more detail).
I have no doubt which is who I have continued to treat them every 2/3 days with some iodine or red horse sole cleanse. I would still be packing them if it would hold but it no longer holds.Charlie had "no" thrush when I picked him up. Central sulcus were a bit too deep is all. In the next few weeks holes big enough to put my finger in and tunnels a hoof pick head deep were exposed as the top layer shed away. A sulcus in one foot which looked fully closed one day was a split half an inch deep up into his heel bulbs the next.
I've never seen anything like it before, thrush can certainly hide!
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No, he felt the lameness which he described at 2/10th lame was too much for coffin joints. He also nerve blocked.
I have no doubt which is who I have continued to treat them every 2/3 days with some iodine or red horse sole cleanse. I would still be packing them if it would hold but it no longer holds.