To Stallion or not to Stallion...

Another thought/question, if it really didn't work out would he have him back? I'd think it likely he would from what you have said.
 
ester said:
Another thought/question, if it really didn't work out would he have him back? I'd think it likely he would from what you have said.
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Hi Ester,
Short answer, not sure. We have discussed him continuing to use the horse to showcase his talents, along with an agreement that if something 'goes wrong' he will take the horse back and 'retrain' him, not sure if that is the right term. I think at some point we need to decide that there is a managed level of risk here. Backup would be gelding, retraining etc.
The other thing of course is this horse is not an 'unknown'. We aren't buying sight unseen off the interwebs. :) Ha ha, I know where he lives and can knock on his door! :D
 
I think you may have misunderstood HP.

When I and others mentioned that it sounded 'suspect', we were meaning that their might be a catch somewhere, as in: is the horse carrying an injury? Are you being scammed? We weren't questioning your story, just wondering what's in it for the trainer etc.

I think overall posters have been very supportive
 
equi said:
I think anyone following is now just getting interested. I have said i was in the NO category but frankly im slightly swaying. You've put thought and work into this, and the yard is what i would expect for a horse of this calibre. That helps towards a decision MASSIVELY. The only point i have to bring up is your GF...what is her view..is she very keen for you to get this as your horse or (and i hate to say it) is she really keen for you to get this horse hoping it will end up hers?
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Hi Equi and apologies for the delay in acknowledging your post.

Honestly it goes from "OMG WE CAN DO THIS!!" to "This is nuts what are we even doing here?!" in equal measure and in equal (high) frequency. I chuckled at your question about my gf, and there is every chance he ends up being her horse. Which I would of course gladly do and support if it looked like this was the best set of options for him. I also think him getting ridden as much as possible is not a bad thing, between the two of us and as I say if it looks like he's a better fit for her then that's how it will likely go. I'll be back in here asking about a gelding. :)
 
SatansLittleHelper said:
I have nothing to offer in terms of the stallion debate but just to add a consideration to living arrangements.
You say that if he went to this livery yard that he would have more company than he currently has..?? Fantastic but a word of caution to consider.
My loan cob is rising 10. He has always lived alone till he came here. Albeit a bit different to your situation as mine live out 24/7 but I very naively assumed that as he was used to living alone that leaving him alone while I worked with my other horse would be fine. WRONG. He has decided, as s natural herd animal, that he has wonderful friends and will not risk losing them at any cost. He is a bloody nightmare despite having been out and obtaining him a pet Mini Shetland (ok, ok I admit that was for me but shhhhhh 😳😳😁). We are now having to look at getting a professional out to help give the boy a bit of help coping with the other horse leaving him.
I realise my situation is very different to yours but something worth considering when a horse has led a relatively solitary life.
ETA: He is considerably better at leaving the others than them leaving him 🙄🙄🙄
Good luck :)
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Ha hi SLH!
I read last night about people keeping companion goats for their stallions?! I admitted I don't know much about stallions, what I know about goats is downright dangerous!! :D :D :D
 
I have just read the whole thread... quite a read!
I cannot imagine what it must be like to own and ride such a horse - it is so far removed from my own experience and my own ponies, it is a different world. If your horse is an Aston Martin then I think my ponies would come out as commuter bicycles in that analogy :-)
HP, I am glad that you have posted your recent updates as I so wanted to believe that your situation was real.
I think that you have the money and the support around you, both with the ownership and the riding, to make this work.
If you are going to involve the forum though I think that we need plenty of photos and regular updates!!!
 
southerncomfort said:
I think you may have misunderstood HP.

When I and others mentioned that it sounded 'suspect', we were meaning that their might be a catch somewhere, as in: is the horse carrying an injury? Are you being scammed? We weren't questioning your story, just wondering what's in it for the trainer etc.

I think overall posters have been very supportive
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Hi SC not at all, in fact I gave your post a 'like' at the time if I recall. I have understood the scepticism where it has been fair. But certainly initially a lot of it really wasn't. Imagine you come to a forum like this, you have no agenda, you know only what you know and next thing your whole story is being called into question, where you then spend 2 days trying to get the topic back onto stallions. If you didn't wonder what the hell was going on with all suspicion you'd have some wiring missing. :)

I saw terms like 'fantasist' and 'scammer'. I was told it sounds 'fishy' at best. This isn't nice. is it? I was told I write too much at one stage for crying out loud! English is not my first language yet I was being called verbose!?! :D

I did not, nor do I feel I need to accept being likened to a fantasist who made up a story about opening a racing school to learn to ride. With a sarcastic little suffix of "We never did find out how that ended. I hope you will keep us updated?"

That's just messed up. And I have zero doubt these folks will continue to criticise and mock. Or perhaps they will apologise, but I doubt it. And I shall continue to push back at people who continue with this sort of line. I have responded immediately to anyone and everyone, I have made a point to thank each in turn and I have never been unkind or rude unless it came from the replies first. This is a fact.

Anyway. I do wonder if this thread has run its course. I would have liked to continue with updates on progress. Even post videos and news on where we are and if we do this what it has been like. I certainly have proven I am happy to fill a page with words! :)

Again though thank you for your efforts to be fair and objective. They have not gone unnoticed.

Hedge.
 
Those of you who have been on the forum for a long time - do you remember someone who used to post the most gorgeous videos of their magnificent horses? It was somewhere on the continent (Spain?) I think, and they were always cantering through the trees. I think they were removed by Admin for some misdemeanour or something. I have an pretty poor memory but this definitely sticks in my mind.
Can you help me out?

Edited to add that I posted this as I would love to see regular posts on following the adventures of beautiful horses
 
Tarragon said:
I have just read the whole thread... quite a read!
I cannot imagine what it must be like to own and ride such a horse - it is so far removed from my own experience and my own ponies, it is a different world. If your horse is an Aston Martin then I think my ponies would come out as commuter bicycles in that analogy :)
HP, I am glad that you have posted your recent updates as I so wanted to believe that your situation was real.
I think that you have the money and the support around you, both with the ownership and the riding, to make this work.
If you are going to involve the forum though I think that we need plenty of photos and regular updates!!!
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Ha Hi Tarragon!!

I haven't actually read the entire thread start to finish, I suspect I might lose the will to live!! :)

I must admit in the last few days people have actually been great. Kind and encouraging even. People like @equi who started off in my 'no' column have been good enough to stick with me and have begun to warm to the idea. The fact people like them are willing to say "this is sounding like it is possible" makes the rough start easier to forget. And I have tried to thank them for it.

Not really sure what happens next, I have a lot to get through this weekend with all of it, not least of all the financial planning that goes hand in hand and these are all under way while we chat.

Thanks again. Hedge.
 
Tarragon said:
Those of you who have been on the forum for a long time - do you remember someone who used to post the most gorgeous videos of their magnificent horses? It was somewhere on the continent (Spain?) I think, and they were always cantering through the trees. I think they were removed by Admin for some misdemeanour or something. I have an pretty poor memory but this definitely sticks in my mind.
Can you help me out?

Edited to add that I posted this as I would love to see regular posts on following the adventures of beautiful horses
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Was it Armas something? White horse freely running around the farm I seem to remember. Wondered what happened to them myself but think I may have found them on Facebook!
 
Armas had the lame grey horse. Armas the human was an unpleasant dickhead who got banned from HHO for posting a nasty video he’d taken of someone with Tourette’s syndrome who was travelling on the tube. We were supposed to join in mocking this person with him.
 
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He looks gorgeous. Was he UK bred? I'd love a Lippizanner one day but I don't think there are too many of them about. We had a breeder close to my home which is how I ended up riding them and at that point I believe there was only about 100 in the UK. One that could do higher level work would be the icing on the cake for me :)
 
Tiddlypom said:
Armas had the lame grey horse. Armas the human was an unpleasant dickhead who got banned from HHO for posting a nasty video he’d taken of someone with Tourette’s syndrome who was travelling on the tube. We were supposed to join in mocking this person with him.
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Armas the human recently upset a really lovely can't do enough to help people person I know, I was at least able to tell her it wasn't personal and give it no more thought.
 
HedgePig said:
I did not, nor do I feel I need to accept being likened to a fantasist who made up a story about opening a racing school to learn to ride. With a sarcastic little suffix of "We never did find out how that ended. I hope you will keep us updated?"

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You have misunderstood. It was never clear whether that was a fantasist or not, and I erred towards not myself because someone from the British Racing School posted on his thread and appeared to know of him and his objective. He wanted to learn to ride at a racing stables on horses in training with a current British trainer.

My comment was not remotely sarcastic, it was completely genuine. Only by updating us would we ever know if your story was true or not. And if true, as it is now clear that it is, it will make a fascinating thread as time goes on, and give us all a glimpse of a horse we can only dream about owning.

The forum would love your updates and nobody would mock them. Your story sounded so incredible you have to excuse the doubts, but we do get the piss taken out of us right royally by trolls on a regular basis.

It took me time to make up my mind and now it's easy to identify the horse and trainer, I just think you're the luckiest man on the planet, I would love to ride that horse!




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In my experience very few yards have the ideal set up to accommodate stallions properly, when my Arab was a stallion I was very lucky to find a yard that had 2 properly fenced stallion fields, as in the fence was much higher than your average field and they had electric running through them, even the most well behaved stallion can be unpredictable I have seen a yearling colt climb a 5 bar gate to get to a mare.
 
HedgePig said:
Hi Floxie,

I need to be clear. If my original question had been met with objectivity I would not hesitate to share all. Instead I was called a liar, a scammer and a fantasist. Not once. Not twice. It was ongoing. I was compared to a storyteller who wanted to learn to ride by building a training school for TBs and my (almost) certain failure on this project was something people in here would look forward to. MAYBE 3 people came in here and called for calm. Not one person condemned it, instead I got explanation after explanation about why I should understand how fanciful this whole thing is and how I simply need to 'put up' with the abuse. Let me say again, some people have been horrible. I don't pretend to understand what people gain from coming onto a forum and being an arse, but they certainly hunt in packs in here.

You can quite honestly blame 2 or 3 posters for their rubbish attitude. I have had no apology (nor do I think they are the calibre of people to offer one anyway) for the initial hostility and so I am not about to bow to their curtain twitching and share all the details. Certainly not until I feel I want to, if at all.
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I think you're taking this far too personally.

1 This is a public forum under a well-known brand name. All forums attract blatant trolls and spammers, but many also get targeted with very elaborate time-wasting nonsense.

2 You described a scenario that is so far from the every day experience; it's lgitimate to be suspicious of either your veracity, or gullibility. Essentially your first post was "this guy I have a few beers with told me they liked the cut of my jib so are offering me one of the world's most famous and highly trained breeds at a knockdown rate. Oh and I haven't ridden for decades and don't have anywhere to keep it." Most of us grew up reading pony stories in which pony-mad-but-pony-less girls won ponies or were randomly gifted them by eccentric millionaires, and this is very reminiscent of that scenario. It is not unreasonable to be sceptical.

3 On a public forum people will disagree with you, and horsey people are invariably blunt in their opinions. I don't see anyone being rude or aggressive, just questioning. This forum has a wealth of experience, but if you need constant reassurance and apologies then it may not be the place for you.
 
Jill's Gym Karma said:
I think you're taking this far too personally.

1 This is a public forum under a well-known brand name. All forums attract blatant trolls and spammers, but many also get targeted with very elaborate time-wasting nonsense.

2 You described a scenario that is so far from the every day experience; it's lgitimate to be suspicious of either your veracity, or gullibility. Essentially your first post was "this guy I have a few beers with told me they liked the cut of my jib so are offering me one of the world's most famous and highly trained breeds at a knockdown rate. Oh and I haven't ridden for decades and don't have anywhere to keep it." Most of us grew up reading pony stories in which pony-mad-but-pony-less girls won ponies or were randomly gifted them by eccentric millionaires, and this is very reminiscent of that scenario. It is not unreasonable to be sceptical.

3 On a public forum people will disagree with you, and horsey people are invariably blunt in their opinions. I don't see anyone being rude or aggressive, just questioning. This forum has a wealth of experience, but if you need constant reassurance and apologies then it may not be the place for you.
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Then I shall be happy to take my leave.

Thank you all for your contributions.
 
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(My first thought was that it was to put some white space between the end of the text and the post toolbar - guess it was, more or less) :)

I've read the lot (I think!) and couldn't read into it the meanness that HP seems to see - but perhaps I would feel differently if I was in the firing line, I suppose.

EDIT: wow, that took a quick turn while I was writing my post! :D
 
@HedgePig, Sorry to hear you’re leaving, I hope it works out with your stallion friend!! I’m in the yes category as long as you are comfortable!! You shouldn’t feel like you have to leave because of a couple people, I think some stuff is unfortunately being misinterpreted, and getting off-topic. You could always start a new thread if you want a fresh start!! I did see some questioning, but also a couple things that were a little edgy. I hope I haven’t offended anyone with my comments, that’s all I will say.
 
HedgePig said:
Hi SC not at all, in fact I gave your post a 'like' at the time if I recall. I have understood the scepticism where it has been fair. But certainly initially a lot of it really wasn't. Imagine you come to a forum like this, you have no agenda, you know only what you know and next thing your whole story is being called into question, where you then spend 2 days trying to get the topic back onto stallions. If you didn't wonder what the hell was going on with all suspicion you'd have some wiring missing. :)

I saw terms like 'fantasist' and 'scammer'. I was told it sounds 'fishy' at best. This isn't nice. is it? I was told I write too much at one stage for crying out loud! English is not my first language yet I was being called verbose!?! :D

I did not, nor do I feel I need to accept being likened to a fantasist who made up a story about opening a racing school to learn to ride. With a sarcastic little suffix of "We never did find out how that ended. I hope you will keep us updated?"

That's just messed up. And I have zero doubt these folks will continue to criticise and mock. Or perhaps they will apologise, but I doubt it. And I shall continue to push back at people who continue with this sort of line. I have responded immediately to anyone and everyone, I have made a point to thank each in turn and I have never been unkind or rude unless it came from the replies first. This is a fact.

Anyway. I do wonder if this thread has run its course. I would have liked to continue with updates on progress. Even post videos and news on where we are and if we do this what it has been like. I certainly have proven I am happy to fill a page with words! :)

Again though thank you for your efforts to be fair and objective. They have not gone unnoticed.

Hedge.
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Ask Milliepops on here about a very long thread about a Lusitano horse who was struggling with his training. The owner took a lot of flack about that one. I'm not sure how it ended up, but there were a lot of opinions out there...
 
ycbm said:
You have misunderstood. It was never clear whether that was a fantasist or not, and I erred towards not myself because someone from the British Racing School posted on his thread and appeared to know of him and his objective. He wanted to learn to ride at a racing stables on horses in training with a current British trainer.

My comment was not remotely sarcastic, it was completely genuine. Only by updating us would we ever know if your story was true or not. And if true, as it is now clear that it is, it will make a fascinating thread as time goes on, and give us all a glimpse of a horse we can only dream about owning.

The forum would love your updates and nobody would mock them. Your story sounded so incredible you have to excuse the doubts, but we do get the piss taken out of us right royally by trolls on a regular basis.

It took me time to make up my mind and now it's easy to identify the horse and trainer, I just think you're the luckiest man on the planet, I would love to ride that horse!




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I'd also absolutely love a continuous thread like Adorable Alice's Ted one if OP does purchase the horse I think it would be really interesting to follow your progress with him

Can someone who's identified the horse/ trainer pm me as I have no idea and am intrigued
 
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