Today's session lists of progress

I'm pretty over commenting on these threads, not because I'm not interested in his progress, but because I can't be bothered to deal with the bun-fight aspect - and was pretty annoyed about a few comments directed at me.

My overwhelming feeling is that you need to look at the desired outcome (whch she explains very eloquently for a non native speaker), rather than what you see in front of you on a particular day. We KNOW he goes behind the vertical in a flash when he's finding something hard, we KNOW he is tense, rushy horse. It surprises me that its so difficult to see past the bad bits,(which are slowly decreasing in duration/determination), and comment on the vast improvements that are beginning to show in equal proportions to the not so good bits. I don't think she rides him perfectly, and there are things I'd love to say about various aspects of her technique, but sh has improved him, and I think it's a shame that people won't acknowledge that.
 
Billie1007 said:
Isn't this a little bit like being awarded an MBE?

Mooms, I do hope you don't mind, you do make me laugh. Your acid tongue is sharp enough to cut through mine and for that I say thank you. :)
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Lol - oh I don't know Billie, you have outdone me a few times!! ;-)
 
Auslander said:
I'm pretty over commenting on these threads, not because I'm not interested in his progress, but because I can't be bothered to deal with the bun-fight aspect - and was pretty annoyed about a few comments directed at me.

My overwhelming feeling is that you need to look at the desired outcome (whch she explains very eloquently for a non native speaker), rather than what you see in front of you on a particular day. We KNOW he goes behind the vertical in a flash when he's finding something hard, we KNOW he is tense, rushy horse. It surprises me that its so difficult to see past the bad bits,(which are slowly decreasing in duration/determination), and comment on the vast improvements that are beginning to show in equal proportions to the not so good bits. I don't think she rides him perfectly, and there are things I'd love to say about various aspects of her technique, but sh has improved him, and I think it's a shame that people won't acknowledge that.
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I agree and regard these videos as work in progress. I have some w-i-p videos on Cam's FB page, but I wouldn't be posting them on here for everyone to prey on. And that is also why I have desisted on posting in the past, but I would be interested in hearing a response on the point I raised earlier.
 
Auslander said:
I'm pretty over commenting on these threads, not because I'm not interested in his progress, but because I can't be bothered to deal with the bun-fight aspect - and was pretty annoyed about a few comments directed at me.

My overwhelming feeling is that you need to look at the desired outcome (whch she explains very eloquently for a non native speaker), rather than what you see in front of you on a particular day. We KNOW he goes behind the vertical in a flash when he's finding something hard, we KNOW he is tense, rushy horse. It surprises me that its so difficult to see past the bad bits,(which are slowly decreasing in duration/determination), and comment on the vast improvements that are beginning to show in equal proportions to the not so good bits. I don't think she rides him perfectly, and there are things I'd love to say about various aspects of her technique, but sh has improved him, and I think it's a shame that people won't acknowledge that.
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This, He looks a totally different animal to the first video you posted. (Only thing I'm not keen on with the rider is the "sawing" action of her hands at times, Not a fan of that technique personally, but know it works for some
 
nikicb said:
I haven't responded to these threads before, but have watched quite a few of the videos. The one thing that has struck me from the beginning is how low the rider carries her hands. I have a youngish horse (6) and whilst he is not built like Armas (he is the same colour! ;) ), nor is he the same temperament, he does go on the forehand and can tuck btv when he is not wanting to work. I did spend some time riding quite defensively and my hands were somewhat buried. With confidence, and lots more lessons, I am able to carry my hands now, and the transformation has been amazing. He is no longer fixed and tucked in, but up through his shoulders and tall and proud. Armas (person!) - is this something worth discussing with the rider?
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I will asker her tomorrow to respond to that question at the end of the video.
 
Auslander said:
I'm pretty over commenting on these threads, not because I'm not interested in his progress, but because I can't be bothered to deal with the bun-fight aspect - and was pretty annoyed about a few comments directed at me.

My overwhelming feeling is that you need to look at the desired outcome (whch she explains very eloquently for a non native speaker), rather than what you see in front of you on a particular day. We KNOW he goes behind the vertical in a flash when he's finding something hard, we KNOW he is tense, rushy horse. It surprises me that its so difficult to see past the bad bits,(which are slowly decreasing in duration/determination), and comment on the vast improvements that are beginning to show in equal proportions to the not so good bits. I don't think she rides him perfectly, and there are things I'd love to say about various aspects of her technique, but sh has improved him, and I think it's a shame that people won't acknowledge that.
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Always a wise poster ! I have missed your posts.....
 
Were all going round in circles many people don't like. some do like it. trainer, horse BTV lameness and everything else. lets face it were not all going to agree. James is sticking to this trainer.so we can all spend time writing huge posts that are ignored so I personally won't be wasting any more time and effort explain and pointing out the same thing over and over again. this thread just seems totally pointless.
 
Purple18 said:
Were all going round in circles many people don't like. some do like it. trainer, horse BTV lameness and everything else. lets face it were not all going to agree. James is sticking to this trainer.so we can all spend time writing huge posts that are ignored so I personally won't be wasting any more time and effort explain and pointing out the same thing over and over again. this post just seems totally pointless.
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Corrected that typo for you
 
Purple18 said:
Were all going round in circles many people don't like. some do like it. trainer, horse BTV lameness and everything else. lets face it were not all going to agree. James is sticking to this trainer.so we can all spend time writing huge posts that are ignored so I personally won't be wasting any more time and effort explain and pointing out the same thing over and over again. this thread just seems totally pointless.
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Hahahaa! This is such a funny post.

You start out by saying how we all must accept that we aren't all going to agree etc. Yet you then say that you won't bother 'wasting' your time posting because James ignores it and it is pointless. So in other words, unless James agrees with YOUR opinion, then it is pointless anyone posting.
 
goldenmint said:
You know I have read each and every one of these Armas threads.

I think some posters need to realise everyone can read your comments, you are making yourself seem stupid.
People posting nonsense and seeming to be completely unaware they are showing their ignorance.

It would be wise to remember that a variety of people read this forum.
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Very ambiguous post there!! Lol! Not sure being that vague will help OP!
 
goldenmint said:
You know I have read each and every one of these Armas threads.

I think some posters need to realise everyone can read your comments, you are making yourself seem stupid.
People posting nonsense and seeming to be completely unaware they are showing their ignorance.

It would be wise to remember that a variety of people read this forum.
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It's all a matter of perception though. Judging by your previous responses, the people you think are ignorant are the people who have supported James and the trainer. Not mentioning any names, but a lot of people whose depth of experience is very obvious from their posts.
 
Ok so here goes from a Novice perspective..... He still does NOT look sound behind..
re BTV I think he is one of the types that will always be like this - though more long, low stretch work may improve it...... get Jumping lol - Dressage is not for every horse and you may find he will excel at it:)
 
Do you know what, some people on this forum need to get a grip. There are animals out there SERIOUSLY neglected. This horse is merely evading the contact. The trainer has made progress, doesn't matter how small, she has made progress.
 
Moomin1 said:
Do you know what, some people on this forum need to get a grip. There are animals out there SERIOUSLY neglected. This horse is merely evading the contact. The trainer has made progress, doesn't matter how small, she has made progress.
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Absolutely! My own horse was forced to wear a grazing muzzle for the first time today. Now, in his book, THAT is abuse! He'll go round with his nose on his chest and a smile on his face all day, but deprive him of the ability to inhale food...
 
goldenmint said:
Yes Moomin we all quite agree with you,

but Armas does post these videos asking for comments so comments he will get.

If Armas wanted us to concentrate on the seriously neglected animals maybe he shouldn't do such a thorough job of posting his videos.

but of course I bow to your superior knowledge.


and a little quote that I feel is appropriate
•"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room."
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Ridiculous post.
 
I'm confused goldenmint - your points on this thread are about as vague as a white sheep in the fog
 
Auslander said:
Absolutely! My own horse was forced to wear a grazing muzzle for the first time today. Now, in his book, THAT is abuse! He'll go round with his nose on his chest and a smile on his face all day, but deprive him of the ability to inhale food...
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Better not tell anyone about the abuse resulting from my helpfully attempting to combine a fly mask with a grazing muzzle which resulted in mini static shocks every time I tried to catch my horse! :eek:

Damn synthetic fibres!! :o
 
Yes he is behind the vertical, and it is not how I would ride one of mine.

But he does look relaxed for the most part, I wouldn't say there is any degree of cruelty going on here, in fact he probably finds it easier (and therefore more enjoyable) to trot round like that than work properly into the bridle. She is a fairly quiet rider compared to many I see, so I've no doubt he's putting himself there. However, this is an incorrect way of going, and I don't see much attempt on her part to correct it.

The thing I do find surprising is her emphasis on collection. For pretty much the whole video he was not stepping through well, or even tracking up in trot. A spanish horse finds it easy to compact his neck and collect. A relaxed longer stride would be my primary goal with him, and I would have thought the first thing a pro would try to achieve?
 
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