Tokyo Eventing Cross Country

TPO said:
I guess the pins dropping over a fence like that for a "strong rub" also increases the chance of the horse being sound the next day.

They could wallop a fence and survive but face the repercussions the next day with a sore horse.

It's so hard to get the balance right
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I'd far rather see pins go softly than horses get stuck like the Danish horse, too!
 
Finally caught up!

An absolute masterclass from the British riders, such a pleasure to watch, especially given OT's recent history.

Polish riders made me very proud too, especially Małgorzata with her one-stirrup completion. Anyone know why she was eliminated?

Can't bring myself to feel bad for MT though... Don't you have enough wins to let this slide?
 
Definitely the laziest over here as I’ve only just woken up!

Desperately sad news about Jet Set ?

Re the pins, you can usually only appeal penalties at FEI level for a short time after your round (they make FJs stay on after the competition ends for about 30-60 mins usually in case of any challenges) but I’m not sure if that’s just “normal” penalties and things like pins get assessed separately?

Might as well chip in on the Oli discussion too so we can all get it (mostly) out of the way now and hopefully not dominate the showjumping chat too much.

I’ve met him quite often at competitions as he’s based not too far from me - lots and lots of fence judging, course walking and occasionally doing cross-country collecting ring duties. He’s never been anything other than very polite, supportive to other riders and professional in how he rides. There are quite a few other riders I could name, including some GB team regulars and other Olympic level riders, who are absolutely vile people, both in terms of personal behaviour and the way you see them treating their horses. I can honestly say that in person, I’ve never seen Oli misusing the whip or riding his horses overly hard/cracking them for mistakes that were definitely rider error/sawing their mouths off. I have seen it from other big names.

He very clearly hasn’t done himself any favours in the past and I’m not condoning some of the ways he’s ridden. The Badminton thing clearly happened, I’m not trying to deny that or anything, and I know he’s been guilty of probably being far too single minded and maybe business/achievement rather than horse focused. However some people on here don’t seem to believe in letting people actually change their ways and be different in the future. I also really dislike this “oh he’s just better at PR now” idea - pretty sure he wouldn’t have made it up with the team selectors if it was just lip service.

Anyway, feel free to disagree with me, and I’m sure lots of you will. I’m not saying my opinion is more valid than anyone else’s, I’m just saying what I’ve seen in person. I like him, I’ve got a lot more time for him and the way he’s come through the sport than with lots of riders, I’m incredibly pleased for him in this competition and I hope he wins double gold.
 
milliepops said:
it really is, though i think I'd prefer no horse falls and one or 2 miffed competitors than the alternative.
presumably the ground jury think they saw him hit it :/
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They must have footage from multiple angles they can check, too?

piebaldproblems said:
Finally caught up!

An absolute masterclass from the British riders, such a pleasure to watch, especially given OT's recent history.

Polish riders made me very proud too, especially Małgorzata with her one-stirrup completion. Anyone know why she was eliminated?

Can't bring myself to feel bad for MT though... Don't you have enough wins to let this slide?
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Didn't realise she was eliminated, she did so well to get round after her stirrup went.

I think it's really hard, because if you genuinely believe you have not touched the fence, you would obviously appeal, but perhaps discussing it on social media is not the best way to go? He must be so upset/annoyed about it, though. However, he won't look great if the official footage shows him hitting the fence. It's such a tricky one.
 
Lexi_ said:
Definitely the laziest over here as I’ve only just woken up!

Desperately sad news about Jet Set ?

Re the pins, you can usually only appeal penalties at FEI level for a short time after your round (they make FJs stay on after the competition ends for about 30-60 mins usually in case of any challenges) but I’m not sure if that’s just “normal” penalties and things like pins get assessed separately?

Might as well chip in on the Oli discussion too so we can all get it (mostly) out of the way now and hopefully not dominate the showjumping chat too much.

I’ve met him quite often at competitions as he’s based not too far from me - lots and lots of fence judging, course walking and occasionally doing cross-country collecting ring duties. He’s never been anything other than very polite, supportive to other riders and professional in how he rides. There are quite a few other riders I could name, including some GB team regulars and other Olympic level riders, who are absolutely vile people, both in terms of personal behaviour and the way you see them treating their horses. I can honestly say that in person, I’ve never seen Oli misusing the whip or riding his horses overly hard/cracking them for mistakes that were definitely rider error/sawing their mouths off. I have seen it from other big names.

He very clearly hasn’t done himself any favours in the past and I’m not condoning some of the ways he’s ridden. The Badminton thing clearly happened, I’m not trying to deny that or anything, and I know he’s been guilty of probably being far too single minded and maybe business/achievement rather than horse focused. However some people on here don’t seem to believe in letting people actually change their ways and be different in the future. I also really dislike this “oh he’s just better at PR now” idea - pretty sure he wouldn’t have made it up with the team selectors if it was just lip service.

Anyway, feel free to disagree with me, and I’m sure lots of you will. I’m not saying my opinion is more valid than anyone else’s, I’m just saying what I’ve seen in person. I like him, I’ve got a lot more time for him and the way he’s come through the sport than with lots of riders, I’m incredibly pleased for him in this competition and I hope he wins double gold.
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Fwiw by PR i don't mean that he's faking it. i just think he's got better at the media relations now than he used to be so comes over better than he did.

I think personality can have a big part to play in these longer term opinions people have. I remember at the time Harry Meade was red carded for an exhausted horse at Burghley there was a brief hoo ha and pretty soon afterwards everyone loved him again. he's a very different more naturally personable man and i think that makes a difference unfortunately.
 
criso said:
It's been reported on FB that the penalties have been removed. But I was on my way out and now can't find the post to check the validity.
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MJ's instagram says the penalties still stand and his appeal was rejected? And they are still there on the official website?

milliepops said:
Fwiw by PR i don't mean that he's faking it. i just think he's got better at the media relations now than he used to be so comes over better than he did.

I think personality can have a big part to play in these longer term opinions people have. I remember at the time Harry Meade was red carded for an exhausted horse at Burghley there was a brief hoo ha and pretty soon afterwards everyone loved him again. he's a very different more naturally personable man and i think that makes a difference unfortunately.
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Yes, certain people seem to get forgiven a lot more quickly than Oli.
 
milliepops said:
Fwiw by PR i don't mean that he's faking it. i just think he's got better at the media relations now than he used to be so comes over better than he did.

I think personality can have a big part to play in these longer term opinions people have. I remember at the time Harry Meade was red carded for an exhausted horse at Burghley there was a brief hoo ha and pretty soon afterwards everyone loved him again. he's a very different more naturally personable man and i think that makes a difference unfortunately.
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Sorry MP, I think I probably mixed up your use of the term and some other people’s general opinions about him being a bit fake now!

Totally agree with you about the personality thing!
 
piebaldproblems said:
Finally caught up!


Polish riders made me very proud too, especially Małgorzata with her one-stirrup completion. Anyone know why she was eliminated?
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I think that is I the one that jumped two “B” marked fences at one of the water complexes rather than a A, B and C.
 
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Wishfilly said:
Not very much, no- which is a shame given we are sitting in team and individual gold at the moment. If we actually win there will probably be some retrospective coverage.
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Its really irritating me here! Amazing effort for Aus to climb from 6th to 2nd, but yes let's show other stuff we are not going well in. Yours should be shouting from the rooftops!
 
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