Too many who hunt are unfriendly and get hunting a poor social reputation

Simsar said:
Exactly!

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ron.strutt/rrwhy.html

But we can call yours Justmentle rural rides. xx
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I am going with this. A suberb guide to hunts across the country is waiting to be written!

I assume it was a typo and it was supposed to be Judgemental Rural Rides and not JustMental Rural rides!!!

As for education I would be extreemly interested to know whos land I was riding across. I wouldn't ride on someones land with out permission on a daily basis but I would like to know who had help facilitate the day while out hunting.
 
Judgemental,

Do you know the title of a book where the author aims to hunt with every pack of foxhounds in the UK and ends with his final meet at the fishery in Exebridge. Sorry to be vague but my friend who recommended it can't remember author or title details, it sounds great. Was it Rory Knight-Bruce's red letter days or something older than that??
 
Paddydou that's my name for JM, in the nicest possible way though, we have this thing going!!! Just trying to bring a smile into these very serious posts. Love you JM. x
 
Simsar said:
Of course I care.
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I nearly missed it!

The thread has topped over 4000 views - for a hunting thread too.

Clearly there is something in that, that we all need to care about.

For every view I believe the ratio laid down by Internet Buffs is 3 to 1 so about 12,000 give or take, might be informed on the subject on the basis folk might talk about a subject, clearly of considerable interest.
 
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What is needed is hunting education.

I don't care how long or short this thread is or becomes, it is clear from comments such as those made by Combat_claire above that something needs to be done about properly educating those that hunt.

Frankly I blame the parents! LOL[/QUOTE]

What about educating hunts as to how to deal with new members.
A few years ago before the ban I joined a hunt, I'm not in a mounted hunt country so I had to go south about 50 miles.
It took them 3 months to email a hunt card to me for two seasons running. Due to various problems either the horse wasn't functioning or the lorry wasn't functioning so I went to meets on foot. This immediately put me as the lowest of the low. When members then found out I was too far north of the country, wasn't a farmer, didn't own land and was obviously too stupid to have my lorry mended or my horse sorted out I was just ignored because I was of no use.
This was a very expensive exercise to be a member of what is basically a scabby hunt.
I haven't hunted since which is a shame because up in Yorkshire I didn't have a problem.
 
Doncella said:
What is needed is hunting education.

I don't care how long or short this thread is or becomes, it is clear from comments such as those made by Combat_claire above that something needs to be done about properly educating those that hunt.

Frankly I blame the parents! LOL
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What about educating hunts as to how to deal with new members.
A few years ago before the ban I joined a hunt, I'm not in a mounted hunt country so I had to go south about 50 miles.
It took them 3 months to email a hunt card to me for two seasons running. Due to various problems either the horse wasn't functioning or the lorry wasn't functioning so I went to meets on foot. This immediately put me as the lowest of the low. When members then found out I was too far north of the country, wasn't a farmer, didn't own land and was obviously too stupid to have my lorry mended or my horse sorted out I was just ignored because I was of no use.
This was a very expensive exercise to be a member of what is basically a scabby hunt.
I haven't hunted since which is a shame because up in Yorkshire I didn't have a problem.[/QUOTE]

First sentance is spot on.

They are all very willing to take your money on newcomers and then you are forgotten about weeks later I have seen that happen a lot with various packs. Bring back the 80's I say. Live and let live, the hunts (a lot ) of them need having a word with. So make it mandatory to educate everyone.
 
Simsar said:
Paddydou that's my name for JM, in the nicest possible way though, we have this thing going!!! Just trying to bring a smile into these very serious posts. Love you JM. x
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I have to admit to becoming rather fond of Ol' JM... Would you mind terribly if I joined your fan club???

I have to agree with the education comments. But I believe that its education all round. There are many who simply do not understand what hunting is. There are those who want to give it a go but are put off. There are also those that do the "putting off" probably with out realising it. The old days are gone, we can all be nostalgic about it but the world is rapidly changing all around us. For goodness sake we are now comunicating through computers rather than picking up the phone or dropping by! Perhaps the younger generations of hunters could help by teaching the older members how to deal with situations that they may perhaps feel uncomfortable with?
 
Paddydou said:
I have to admit to becoming rather fond of Ol' JM... Would you mind terribly if I joined your fan club???

I have to agree with the education comments. But I believe that its education all round AGREE 100%. There are many who simply do not understand what hunting is AGREE 200%. There are those who want to give it a go but are put off BACK TO 100%. There are also those that do the "putting off" probably with out realising it OH YES 300%. The old days are gone AND THAT IS SO SO SAD. WHEN THE FIELD ARE THERE TO DO A JOB!. we can all be nostalgic about it but the world is rapidly changing all around us IT DOESN'T NEED TO CHANGE JUST PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN 1 ABOUT HUNTING 2 HUNT SHOULD TEACH THEM. For goodness sake we are now comunicating through computers rather than picking up the phone or dropping by! Perhaps the younger generations of hunters could help by teaching the older members how to deal with situations that they may perhaps feel uncomfortable with?
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I blame the Pony club! Can I say that?????????????

Sorry all in caps!
 
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Simsar said:
Paddyd, I'm up for fan club.

Just Mentle you ROCK!
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I just been shining my halo - thank you and Paddy too - a fan club, oh gosh.

Of course Dick Emery was a tremendous comedian as was Jimmy Edwards, who I know hunted.

Pink tail coat and topper too!

Did he become a master of hounds?

I am sure somebody on this forum will know and if he did, which pack?

The variety of this thread is really very rewarding.
 
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Simsar said:
I blame the Pony club! Can I say that?????????????

Sorry all in caps!
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Of course you can say that! I am sure JM will give you permission!!

I didn't go as Mum hated the other mothers being pushy all the time and she wanted me to have fun and not be pressurised.

Don't worry about the caps.

My point was that many moons ago you had a structure in society called the class system. Hunting was partly about class. Those on horses were the upper class those on foot were lower classes. Being on a horse made it easier to look down too!

Now the class system is all messed up. The "old money" is running out or been lost through several banking fiascos. I will blame Lloyds for this - they started it! "New money" is aspiring to do the things that they have always wanted (i.e. Hunt on horseback and foot!). The "old money" folk need to recognise that there are also those who go without their holidays to Majorca to hunt because it is their passion. Some are from the city and know nothing of farming ways... I quote (this is a real quote from last winter during the sledging season) "I wouldn't know crop from grass - how do you tell?" after I explained that no they were not allowed to sledge down any old field because they were causing thousands of pounds worth of damage to the crop, that it may be much more polite to ask the local farm... The crop didn't grow back...

Hunting is far more diverse in this day and age than it has ever been. We should embrace that and encourage it so it survives in its traditional format. Does taht make any sense now?

City and country ways are very very different. Go to London, hop on the tube and smile and say hello to folk... Quickest way to get space and a seat I have ever found. Go to the country pop into the local pub and say hello and you will soon be finding out about the local history, folk reminissing about events, them finding out who you are... Very basic but very different. To a city born (or in more recent country born but city parent) a field is a field, its not producing an income it looks pretty. A cow is a cow, its not your next steak its a picturesque beast with a smelly behind. Horse muck isn't fertiliser unless it comes from Homebase in a plastic back labeled horse muck. There are still many who do not put "roast lamb for sunday dinner" and "lamb in the field" into the same category. The very word lamb means seperate things to them and they can get very upset that "Mopsie" is being served up with mint despite the word being the same! Seriously. We have a very poorly educated nation when it comes to country ways.

I admit I am no expert in counrty ways but being born and bred from country stock I have a much better idea of what is going on. Townies, bless 'em, haven't a clue. Same as me in the big city!
 
Judgemental said:
I just been shining my halo - thank you and Paddy too - a fan club, oh gosh.

Of course Dick Emery was a tremendous comedian as was Jimmy Edwards, who I know hunted.

Pink tail coat and topper too!

Did he become a master of hounds?

I am sure somebody on this forum will know and if he did, which pack?

The variety of this thread is really very rewarding.
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he followed at Rottingdean near Brighton, was this a pack- and no idea if he was an mfh?
 
Judgemental said:
The high crowned Patey hat brigade, who think they are so smart that they cannot be bothered to talk to people.
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Yeah I'm a Patey brigade, so I must be up myself. I talk to everyone who actually knows what they are doing in the field. Like someone has already said on this thread, there are always a percentage of the field that do not have a clue whose land they have come across and whose field margin they are on- THAT is rude.
I am now hunting with a VERY friendly bunch of people, I came fresh out of the woodwork last season as (then relatively new) OH whipped in and his father is master, I have never met such a bunch of lovely, well rounded people in all my life- you have to put in to get back- You can't expect to be the newbie at the back of the field who has no idea where they are, what the job in hand is and then whinge everyone is too far up their own arse.
 
to make a comment on the"Patey brigade" was out of order- if my hubby could afford one he would buy one, for its comfort and lack of strappings, but as we are mere hill farmers all our cash goes on bills!!!
 
RunToEarth said:
Yeah I'm a Patey brigade, so I must be up myself. I talk to everyone who actually knows what they are doing in the field. Like someone has already said on this thread, there are always a percentage of the field that do not have a clue whose land they have come across and whose field margin they are on- THAT is rude.
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As someone who is hoping to have a go at hunting for the first time this winter, THAT has got me worried, that people will get irritated with me/not talk to me because I'm a hunting novice - obviously i won't know everything, surely everyone starts like that? :confused: Was thinking I'd follow on foot first to see how it all works and maybe ask some questions, or would that be similarly annoying? :rolleyes:
And I had no idea we were meant to know whose land we are going across at all times :confused: And to be quite honest, sometimes it does seem like there is a whole load of stuff that you only know if you're a hunting veteran, and if these people won't share the information, and instead refuse to talk to newbies, what hope is there for us to learn and make the sport more popular? :confused:
 
MOLLYA said:
As someone who is hoping to have a go at hunting for the first time this winter, THAT has got me worried, that people will get irritated with me/not talk to me because I'm a hunting novice - obviously i won't know everything, surely everyone starts like that? :confused: Was thinking I'd follow on foot first to see how it all works and maybe ask some questions, or would that be similarly annoying? :rolleyes:
And I had no idea we were meant to know whose land we are going across at all times :confused: And to be quite honest, sometimes it does seem like there is a whole load of stuff that you only know if you're a hunting veteran, and if these people won't share the information, and instead refuse to talk to newbies, what hope is there for us to learn and make the sport more popular? :confused:
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Mollya, take no notice of all the differing threads on here, there are so many and enough to put any novice off- we have a pack up here in wales, this is obviously irrelevant in your case butwhat i am trying to say is, go along on foot/horse, chat to folk and enjoy it, it is a very friendly pastime in general- good luck!!
 
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