JM07
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LMAO yep Brighteyes I do......SORRY JM!!!!!
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tis ok.....
LMAO yep Brighteyes I do......SORRY JM!!!!!
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tis ok.....
Trying to explain myself a little
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JM07
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Although she needs to be severely punished for her unforgiveable soft-heartedness to deserving and worthy cases of equine need.
Of that, she is seriously guilty
Sorry JM07, but your street cred is now in tatters..............
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oh well...it had to happen sooner or later....
Although she needs to be severely punished for her unforgiveable soft-heartedness to deserving and worthy cases of equine need.
Sorry JM07, but your street cred is now in tatters..............
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oh well...it had to happen sooner or later....
spaniel
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Gah youve been rumbled missus.....
myjack
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Unfortunately, im not getting this at all really.
If as you say you know he is innocent for definite, then am i to presume you have/are a witness then and can defend him as you have evidental proof to back up his practical care for his animals?
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I am not a witness - and would not be on this forum if I was.
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In which case you would not be on this form talking of it at all. I know papers can distort the truth or expand on it.
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Try....telling out and out blatent LIES.
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I do not have to defend my comments because my actions are not in question-simply.
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Fair enough - but then you shouldn't be opposing my defending him while you are making condemning comments about him. Sorry, but it works both ways.
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The welfare of my horses would never be in question. They are visibly well cared for.
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...and if you had a poor horse which you had not owned very long - would he be 'visibly' well cared for? Should you then be condemned for having that horse in your posession?
Unfortunately, im not getting this at all really.
If as you say you know he is innocent for definite, then am i to presume you have/are a witness then and can defend him as you have evidental proof to back up his practical care for his animals?
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I am not a witness - and would not be on this forum if I was.
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In which case you would not be on this form talking of it at all. I know papers can distort the truth or expand on it.
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Try....telling out and out blatent LIES.
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I do not have to defend my comments because my actions are not in question-simply.
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Fair enough - but then you shouldn't be opposing my defending him while you are making condemning comments about him. Sorry, but it works both ways.
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The welfare of my horses would never be in question. They are visibly well cared for.
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...and if you had a poor horse which you had not owned very long - would he be 'visibly' well cared for? Should you then be condemned for having that horse in your posession?
myjack
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<font color="blue"> Asking people to use common sense and think logical is not provoking.
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It can be, I'm afraid, if those people are not willing to believe anything other than what they have been told in media reports
Almost heresy
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Putting it that way I agree - however, I don't believe it is wrong to ask people to 'THINK'
<font color="blue"> Asking people to use common sense and think logical is not provoking.
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It can be, I'm afraid, if those people are not willing to believe anything other than what they have been told in media reports
Almost heresy
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Putting it that way I agree - however, I don't believe it is wrong to ask people to 'THINK'
JM07
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Gah youve been rumbled missus.....
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Gah...Bugger me, so i have......................
Gah youve been rumbled missus.....
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Gah...Bugger me, so i have......................
brighteyes
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<font color="blue"> however, I don't believe it is wrong to ask people to 'THINK' </font>
No, it isn't wrong at all, but just as infuriating, as they already THINK they are thinking! If you get me. People don't like their beliefs being shaken. Except in this case you'd think everyone would want you to be right!
No, it isn't wrong at all, but just as infuriating, as they already THINK they are thinking! If you get me. People don't like their beliefs being shaken. Except in this case you'd think everyone would want you to be right!
wizzi901
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I think people should think.
I believe some peoples "perception" of a well horse (being mainly owners for pleasure on this forum) rather than owning horses for a living to sell on for meat....is going to have some space between it!
I am sitting on the fence on this one waiting to see what comes out. I dont believe their is smoke without fire....
However, I dont have time for the RSPCA either who dont have a clue....and some animal charities are full of do gooders who are a tad soft on horses.....some are professional and know their stuff, good and bad of all to be honest!
Shoot me down if you like but these are the things i think about.
However I am not convinced JG is innocent either, however I have to say I found aspects of the way the whole thing was handled very odd, so have my suspicions that the case may have been overcooked..................
Really not sure so will wait and see, but have thought lots!
I believe some peoples "perception" of a well horse (being mainly owners for pleasure on this forum) rather than owning horses for a living to sell on for meat....is going to have some space between it!
I am sitting on the fence on this one waiting to see what comes out. I dont believe their is smoke without fire....
However, I dont have time for the RSPCA either who dont have a clue....and some animal charities are full of do gooders who are a tad soft on horses.....some are professional and know their stuff, good and bad of all to be honest!
Shoot me down if you like but these are the things i think about.
However I am not convinced JG is innocent either, however I have to say I found aspects of the way the whole thing was handled very odd, so have my suspicions that the case may have been overcooked..................
Really not sure so will wait and see, but have thought lots!
myjack
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I get you - and agree.
myjack
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I think people should think.
I believe some peoples "perception" of a well horse (being mainly owners for pleasure on this forum) rather than owning horses for a living to sell on for meat....is going to have some space between it!
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I agree but JG is not a meatman.
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I am sitting on the fence on this one waiting to see what comes out. I dont believe their is smoke without fire....
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Fair enough....however, I personally would never believe that phrase again. - not where such cases are concerned anyway.
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However, I dont have time for the RSPCA either who dont have a clue....and some animal charities are full of do gooders who are a tad soft on horses.....some are professional and know their stuff, good and bad of all to be honest!
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Good and bad in all.....I agree.
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Shoot me down if you like but these are the things i think about.
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Absolutely not!!
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However I am not convinced JG is innocent either,
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Okay.
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however I have to say I found aspects of the way the whole thing was handled very odd, so have my suspicions that the case may have been overcooked..................
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I would like to know your suspicions if you are willing to tell.
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Really not sure so will wait and see, but have thought lots!
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Thats good.
I think people should think.
I believe some peoples "perception" of a well horse (being mainly owners for pleasure on this forum) rather than owning horses for a living to sell on for meat....is going to have some space between it!
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I agree but JG is not a meatman.
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I am sitting on the fence on this one waiting to see what comes out. I dont believe their is smoke without fire....
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Fair enough....however, I personally would never believe that phrase again. - not where such cases are concerned anyway.
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However, I dont have time for the RSPCA either who dont have a clue....and some animal charities are full of do gooders who are a tad soft on horses.....some are professional and know their stuff, good and bad of all to be honest!
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Good and bad in all.....I agree.
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Shoot me down if you like but these are the things i think about.
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Absolutely not!!
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However I am not convinced JG is innocent either,
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Okay.
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however I have to say I found aspects of the way the whole thing was handled very odd, so have my suspicions that the case may have been overcooked..................
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I would like to know your suspicions if you are willing to tell.
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Really not sure so will wait and see, but have thought lots!
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Thats good.
blueberry
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Brighteyes-how the wind does change
MJ Please do not see my replies as a personal attack on anyone and dont take my remarks personally. Discussing and giving points of view are in no way condemning, this is a discussion forum after all. Conflicting opinions are normal in this situation and should be expected.
I am questioning, which is healthy.
I can THINK and be open minded, i am just trying to understand your stance and where it comes from but really there is no way of finding that out because you are not clear enough.
I hope this is a case of misunderstandings-for the horses sake. It is hard to say that at this point though.
You are suggesting that the action taken by the RSPCA has been about one horse being a little poor.
It could be that they have had continued reports from the public about the welfare of these horses in general. Maybe there are some facts that you do not know about.
There are a family who deal in horses very near to where i live. I know for a fact that they are reported to varies governing bodies on frequent occassions and for good reason.
When you speak with them they sound so caring and would appear to look after their horses, such 'nice' people.
I prefer to air on the side of doubt unless i am convinced otherwise.
MJ Please do not see my replies as a personal attack on anyone and dont take my remarks personally. Discussing and giving points of view are in no way condemning, this is a discussion forum after all. Conflicting opinions are normal in this situation and should be expected.
I am questioning, which is healthy.
I can THINK and be open minded, i am just trying to understand your stance and where it comes from but really there is no way of finding that out because you are not clear enough.
I hope this is a case of misunderstandings-for the horses sake. It is hard to say that at this point though.
You are suggesting that the action taken by the RSPCA has been about one horse being a little poor.
It could be that they have had continued reports from the public about the welfare of these horses in general. Maybe there are some facts that you do not know about.
There are a family who deal in horses very near to where i live. I know for a fact that they are reported to varies governing bodies on frequent occassions and for good reason.
When you speak with them they sound so caring and would appear to look after their horses, such 'nice' people.
I prefer to air on the side of doubt unless i am convinced otherwise.
myjack
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Okay....
Seems I may have misunderstood what you've been saying.
Seems I may have misunderstood what you've been saying.
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Donkeymad
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MJ, you know how I feel, and I have to say, Tia does write it well doesn't she?
myjack
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I do.
Tia does not mince her words and she explains things very clearly. Same with JM07......
Tia does not mince her words and she explains things very clearly. Same with JM07......
brighteyes
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No, I am sitting on the fence, waiting patiently - whilst not flatly dismissing the slight possibilty that JG is not a deliberate starver/neglecter. (Have I got that right - or double negatived?) Anyway.........
I have stopped being outraged by the case and irritated by mj and her stubborn standpoint. In fact I admire her patient dissection of everyone's replies. She's nothing if not persistent and consistent.
My fingers are crossed only for the horses and their future. If JG is innocent, then good. If he's found guilty then also good, because the horses won't go back to him. A win-win situation?
I have stopped being outraged by the case and irritated by mj and her stubborn standpoint. In fact I admire her patient dissection of everyone's replies. She's nothing if not persistent and consistent.
My fingers are crossed only for the horses and their future. If JG is innocent, then good. If he's found guilty then also good, because the horses won't go back to him. A win-win situation?
BankEndRescue
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I don't know the situation at SF as FACT but what I can say is that I personally have come in for criticism for having poor horses on my yard and this is simply because they were rescues who were with me for rehab. Again, I don't know if that is the situation with JG (NOT JM lol) but it does happen
magic104
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Sorry only just come on here so did not see the reply re Passports. There was I believe reports that not all the horses had valid passports. I have no respect for the RSPCA, but I do find it worrying that everyone of the centres that took in these horses were disgusted at the thought of them being returned. There were letter from centres in Chiltern Rider that certainly is not helping. It is also difficult to understand why so many horses were found dead! None of us are going to know until the facts are laid out. The facts it seems wont come to light until the court case, so perhaps we should just wait on that.
myjack
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Sorry only just come on here so did not see the reply re Passports. There was I believe reports that not all the horses had valid passports.
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Reports? I have not seen any such reports.
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I have no respect for the RSPCA, but I do find it worrying that everyone of the centres that took in these horses were disgusted at the thought of them being returned.
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Well of course - they are supporting the rspca.
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There were letter from centres in Chiltern Rider that certainly is not helping.
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No sure what you mean?
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It is also difficult to understand why so many horses were found dead!
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If you are speaking about the reports that 32 horses were found dead - those reports are untrue.
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None of us are going to know until the facts are laid out. The facts it seems wont come to light until the court case, so perhaps we should just wait on that.
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okay.
Sorry only just come on here so did not see the reply re Passports. There was I believe reports that not all the horses had valid passports.
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Reports? I have not seen any such reports.
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I have no respect for the RSPCA, but I do find it worrying that everyone of the centres that took in these horses were disgusted at the thought of them being returned.
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Well of course - they are supporting the rspca.
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There were letter from centres in Chiltern Rider that certainly is not helping.
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No sure what you mean?
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It is also difficult to understand why so many horses were found dead!
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If you are speaking about the reports that 32 horses were found dead - those reports are untrue.
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None of us are going to know until the facts are laid out. The facts it seems wont come to light until the court case, so perhaps we should just wait on that.
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okay.
blueberry
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MJ, it sounds like you think there is some sort of conspiracy with the RSPCA and the centres?
Maybe there is good reason for the centres not to want the return of these horses back to the owner.
Possibly because they are knowledgeable and experienced in welfare/neglect issues?
Maybe there is good reason for the centres not to want the return of these horses back to the owner.
Possibly because they are knowledgeable and experienced in welfare/neglect issues?
vennessa
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I don't know the situation at SF as FACT but what I can say is that I personally have come in for criticism for having poor horses on my yard and this is simply because they were rescues who were with me for rehab. Again, I don't know if that is the situation with JG (NOT JM lol) but it does happen
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Same here sorry to say. We cannot wave a majic wand when we take in the starved and neglected and make them instantly well. I wish we could. I am in no way commenting on the case in question only that before we were a charity and takeing in rescues we were repeatedly reported. Happy to say we did get known by the authorites for the work we did and they now just ask how things are going and can we take this that or the otjher in.
This is just a personal statement from our experience and not a comment in any way shape or form regards the case.
I don't know the situation at SF as FACT but what I can say is that I personally have come in for criticism for having poor horses on my yard and this is simply because they were rescues who were with me for rehab. Again, I don't know if that is the situation with JG (NOT JM lol) but it does happen
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Same here sorry to say. We cannot wave a majic wand when we take in the starved and neglected and make them instantly well. I wish we could. I am in no way commenting on the case in question only that before we were a charity and takeing in rescues we were repeatedly reported. Happy to say we did get known by the authorites for the work we did and they now just ask how things are going and can we take this that or the otjher in.
This is just a personal statement from our experience and not a comment in any way shape or form regards the case.
blueberry
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Was then JG running a rescue/rehab centre or known for rescuing horses?
Maybe MJ knows the answer to that.
Im not being obtuse, just asking
Maybe MJ knows the answer to that.
Im not being obtuse, just asking
myjack
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MJ, it sounds like you think there is some sort of conspiracy with the RSPCA and the centres?
Maybe there is good reason for the centres not to want the return of these horses back to the owner.
Possibly because they are knowledgeable and experienced in welfare/neglect issues?
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A SANCTUARY WORKER SAID.
10th January 2008
"We have a donkey that does not have the strength to stand up and a blind, deaf mare who is just terrified.
And yet the RSPCA accepted that all of the donkeys and ponies were in "good condition
This is just ONE contradiction.
Don't underestimate.
MJ, it sounds like you think there is some sort of conspiracy with the RSPCA and the centres?
Maybe there is good reason for the centres not to want the return of these horses back to the owner.
Possibly because they are knowledgeable and experienced in welfare/neglect issues?
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A SANCTUARY WORKER SAID.
10th January 2008
"We have a donkey that does not have the strength to stand up and a blind, deaf mare who is just terrified.
And yet the RSPCA accepted that all of the donkeys and ponies were in "good condition
This is just ONE contradiction.
Don't underestimate.
blueberry
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It is clear that you have a personal interest in this case and i am wondering how open minded or accepting you may or may not be of the possibility the JG may be guilty. Or how open minded you are about that being a possibilty.
It is easy to nit pick over, he said this and she said that but that may not be the point here.
Your di-section and quotations of everyones comments make me think that you could be a little obsessed by this trial.
Or are you playing devil's advocate for the purpose of useful and balanced discussion?
It is easy to nit pick over, he said this and she said that but that may not be the point here.
Your di-section and quotations of everyones comments make me think that you could be a little obsessed by this trial.
Or are you playing devil's advocate for the purpose of useful and balanced discussion?
Tia
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Dissections and quotations? Surely MJ is simply answering questions and placing the points in question within quotes, so people know exactly what she is replying to? That's what many people on here do, including me, does it mean we are all obsessed?
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Whatever reason, I'd say her posts are worthy of reading.
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Or are you playing devil's advocate for the purpose of useful and balanced discussion?
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Whatever reason, I'd say her posts are worthy of reading.
myjack
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It is clear that you have a personal interest in this case and i am wondering how open minded or accepting you may or may not be of the possibility the JG may be guilty. Or how open minded you are about that being a possibilty.
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Well it looks as if YOU are very CLOESED minded. I was open minded until I dug my heals in and found out FACTS, thought logical regarding reports etc.
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It is easy to nit pick over, he said this and she said that but that may not be the point here.
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WHAT??? I'm not nitpicking - I'm showing you just of the out and out lies. But it seems you'd rather NOT see it.
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Your di-section and quotations of everyones comments make me think that you could be a little obsessed by this trial.
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Sad but true.
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Or are you playing devil's advocate for the purpose of useful and balanced discussion?
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I am simply asking people to THINK. I know facts that tell me JG isn't the monster he has been portrayed as - and I know how this whole thing has effected the Gray family.
So just what do you believe he may be guilty of?
It is clear that you have a personal interest in this case and i am wondering how open minded or accepting you may or may not be of the possibility the JG may be guilty. Or how open minded you are about that being a possibilty.
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Well it looks as if YOU are very CLOESED minded. I was open minded until I dug my heals in and found out FACTS, thought logical regarding reports etc.
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It is easy to nit pick over, he said this and she said that but that may not be the point here.
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WHAT??? I'm not nitpicking - I'm showing you just of the out and out lies. But it seems you'd rather NOT see it.
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Your di-section and quotations of everyones comments make me think that you could be a little obsessed by this trial.
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Sad but true.
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Or are you playing devil's advocate for the purpose of useful and balanced discussion?
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I am simply asking people to THINK. I know facts that tell me JG isn't the monster he has been portrayed as - and I know how this whole thing has effected the Gray family.
So just what do you believe he may be guilty of?
blueberry
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Hold on a mo-dont get worked up guys.
I actually dont know enough of the actual facts to be able to comment on what JG has or hasnt done. I would need to be sat during the court case to know that, and the same for anyone else. Of course there is speculation and it is natural for people to form their own opnions and you have a right to challenge them and discuss openly.
I am questioning thats all, no harm in that.
I havent accused anyone of anything and i am not going to allow you to manipulate me by trying to put words into my mouth so to benefit your stance.
What i will say his that if his family are suffering and being victimised then that is quite wrong.
The courts will deal with JG if they find him guilty and if they find him not to be then lets hope people leave them alone to get on with their lives as best they can.
Just a question that wasnt addressed by yourself. It wasnt a rescue centre was it that JG kept his horses (where of course you would expect to see poorly conditioned horses)-am i correct in thinking he was a dealer.
I actually dont know enough of the actual facts to be able to comment on what JG has or hasnt done. I would need to be sat during the court case to know that, and the same for anyone else. Of course there is speculation and it is natural for people to form their own opnions and you have a right to challenge them and discuss openly.
I am questioning thats all, no harm in that.
I havent accused anyone of anything and i am not going to allow you to manipulate me by trying to put words into my mouth so to benefit your stance.
What i will say his that if his family are suffering and being victimised then that is quite wrong.
The courts will deal with JG if they find him guilty and if they find him not to be then lets hope people leave them alone to get on with their lives as best they can.
Just a question that wasnt addressed by yourself. It wasnt a rescue centre was it that JG kept his horses (where of course you would expect to see poorly conditioned horses)-am i correct in thinking he was a dealer.
blueberry
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PS -No Tia, i dont think everyone is obssessed although having OCD myself i do recognise it in others.
myjack
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Dissections and quotations? Surely MJ is simply answering questions and placing the points in question within quotes, so people know exactly what she is replying to? That's what many people on here do, including me, does it mean we are all obsessed?
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Whatever reason, I'd say her posts are worthy of reading.
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Thank you Tia.
I think you know me as well as I know myself.
Dissections and quotations? Surely MJ is simply answering questions and placing the points in question within quotes, so people know exactly what she is replying to? That's what many people on here do, including me, does it mean we are all obsessed?
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Whatever reason, I'd say her posts are worthy of reading.
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Thank you Tia.
I think you know me as well as I know myself.
myjack
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Hold on a mo-dont get worked up guys.
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No worries - it takes ALOT for me to get worked up.
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I actually dont know enough of the actual facts to be able to comment on what JG has or hasnt done.
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In another post you said; HIS ACTIONS SPEAK A THOUSAND WORDs. (or something along those lines)
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I would need to be sat during the court case to know that, and the same for anyone else.
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If only people would go along and sit and listen. Many people go to the court hearing but rather than go in and listen to FACTS they stand outside with banners etc...
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Of course there is speculation and it is natural for people to form their own opnions and you have a right to challenge them and discuss openly.
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I agree on both points you make here.
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I am questioning thats all, no harm in that.
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I agree.
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I havent accused anyone of anything and i am not going to allow you to manipulate me by trying to put words into my mouth so to benefit your stance.
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Then I'm not sure what you saying about JG when you said; His actions speak a thousand words.
........and I am in no way or position to try to amnipulate you or anyone.
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What i will say his that if his family are suffering and being victimised then that is quite wrong.
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Suffering and being victimised........is an understantment.
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The courts will deal with JG if they find him guilty and if they find him not to be then lets hope people leave them alone to get on with their lives as best they can.
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I'm not sure people will accept he is innocent what ever the out come.
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Just a question that wasnt addressed by yourself. It wasnt a rescue centre was it that JG kept his horses (where of course you would expect to see poorly conditioned horses)-am i correct in thinking he was a dealer.
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The in's and outs of this actual question and statement will come out during the trial. If it's possible may be you should try to get there and sit in the public gallery.
Hold on a mo-dont get worked up guys.
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No worries - it takes ALOT for me to get worked up.
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I actually dont know enough of the actual facts to be able to comment on what JG has or hasnt done.
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In another post you said; HIS ACTIONS SPEAK A THOUSAND WORDs. (or something along those lines)
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I would need to be sat during the court case to know that, and the same for anyone else.
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If only people would go along and sit and listen. Many people go to the court hearing but rather than go in and listen to FACTS they stand outside with banners etc...
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Of course there is speculation and it is natural for people to form their own opnions and you have a right to challenge them and discuss openly.
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I agree on both points you make here.
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I am questioning thats all, no harm in that.
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I agree.
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I havent accused anyone of anything and i am not going to allow you to manipulate me by trying to put words into my mouth so to benefit your stance.
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Then I'm not sure what you saying about JG when you said; His actions speak a thousand words.
........and I am in no way or position to try to amnipulate you or anyone.
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What i will say his that if his family are suffering and being victimised then that is quite wrong.
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Suffering and being victimised........is an understantment.
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The courts will deal with JG if they find him guilty and if they find him not to be then lets hope people leave them alone to get on with their lives as best they can.
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I'm not sure people will accept he is innocent what ever the out come.
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Just a question that wasnt addressed by yourself. It wasnt a rescue centre was it that JG kept his horses (where of course you would expect to see poorly conditioned horses)-am i correct in thinking he was a dealer.
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The in's and outs of this actual question and statement will come out during the trial. If it's possible may be you should try to get there and sit in the public gallery.
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All I have to say is "innocent until proven guilty." I very much distrust the media as a reliable source of evidence - they are more interested in sensation than fact.
Nothing I have seen has given me any conclusive reason to believe JG absolutely guilty, so I'm basically sitting on the fence.
I think MJ has done a very good job in provoking thought on the issue, and making people realise it might not be as black and white as the media is making it out to be.
Nothing I have seen has given me any conclusive reason to believe JG absolutely guilty, so I'm basically sitting on the fence.
I think MJ has done a very good job in provoking thought on the issue, and making people realise it might not be as black and white as the media is making it out to be.