Trying to explain myself a little

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It is clear that you have a personal interest in this case and i am wondering how open minded or accepting you may or may not be of the possibility the JG may be guilty. Or how open minded you are about that being a possibilty.

It is easy to nit pick over, he said this and she said that but that may not be the point here.
Your di-section and quotations of everyones comments make me think that you could be a little obsessed by this trial.

Or are you playing devil's advocate for the purpose of useful and balanced discussion?

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That is one perception. Mine is increasingly that MJ is connected to the defence legal team. So, not a witness, wishing to paint a better picture of the defendants, building bridges with the very people who have supported the rescue and recovery of the horses, and constantly casting doubt.

I still don't have a firm opinion, and won't have until I have heard disclosable evidence in court, but this olive branch just makes me more supicious
 
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All I have to say is "innocent until proven guilty." I very much distrust the media as a reliable source of evidence - they are more interested in sensation than fact.

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The media should never be allowed to publish the horrid BS they publish. In this case, not only have they destroyed people's lives, but they have pulled on the heart strings of every horse/animal lover in this country and others. I have always believe the media to distort things a little or tell little white lies (not that this is acceptable) but I never believed they publish out and out soul destroying lies. It's absolutely aweful.

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Nothing I have seen has given me any conclusive reason to believe JG absolutely guilty,

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Thats because they have NOTHING to show he is guilty.


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so I'm basically sitting on the fence.

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I believe thats a good thing.


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I think MJ has done a very good job in provoking thought on the issue, and making people realise it might not be as black and white as the media is making it out to be.

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Thank you.
 
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It is clear that you have a personal interest in this case and i am wondering how open minded or accepting you may or may not be of the possibility the JG may be guilty. Or how open minded you are about that being a possibilty.

It is easy to nit pick over, he said this and she said that but that may not be the point here.
Your di-section and quotations of everyones comments make me think that you could be a little obsessed by this trial.

Or are you playing devil's advocate for the purpose of useful and balanced discussion?

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That is one perception. Mine is increasingly that MJ is connected to the defence legal team. So, not a witness, wishing to paint a better picture of the defendants, building bridges with the very people who have supported the rescue and recovery of the horses, and constantly casting doubt.

I still don't have a firm opinion, and won't have until I have heard disclosable evidence in court, but this olive branch just makes me more supicious

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I have repeatedly told this board that I am NOT a witness - I certainly would NOT be here if I was. I'm not stupid.

....and what is wrong with people doubting the BS that has been reported? I can't control minds, if what I say make people THINK then thats up to the individual person.

If you look at the inconsistancies - the ridiculous reports - and think LOGICAL, I'm sure you would have doubts of your own without anyone pointing anything out to you.
 
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I'm not sure people will accept he is innocent what ever the out come.



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Sadly, I suspect this is correct. If he is found guilty then I would expect him to pay for any crime he has committed.
Likewise, if he is innocent, I would hope he is allowed to carry on his life unhindered.
 
Call me sceptical but as said many times discussing this issue on here could prejudice the case. Could it be the original poster is deliberately inciting discussion about this issue so as to hinder a successful prosecution?
 
I have to say, I cannot possibly see how us on little old HHO could possibly jeopardise any trial. I think it's a bit arrogant to believe we could alter the outcome of any case which will have evidence for and against the defendant; if a judge takes into account the opinions of some girlies waffling away on an Internet forum then he really isn't made of the right stuff to be a judge!

But of course this is just my opinion
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There were letter from centres in Chiltern Rider that certainly is not helping.


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No sure what you mean?

The Chilter Rider has a number of letters from centres commenting on the possible return or sale of these horses, non of which are positive to your cause. As I said we will just have to wait & see, then perhaps you will tell us what your involvement in all this is. As much I know how much the media can distort things, to report 32 dead horses seems a little extreme?
 
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I have to say, I cannot possibly see how us on little old HHO could possibly jeopardise any trial. I think it's a bit arrogant to believe we could alter the outcome of any case which will have evidence for and against the defendant; if a judge takes into account the opinions of some girlies waffling away on an Internet forum then he really isn't made of the right stuff to be a judge!

But of course this is just my opinion
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what she said.....
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I'm not sure people will accept he is innocent what ever the out come.



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Sadly, I suspect this is correct. If he is found guilty then I would expect him to pay for any crime he has committed.
Likewise, if he is innocent, I would hope he is allowed to carry on his life unhindered.

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This is why I believe as many people as possible should try and make it to the trial - so they can hear all the evidence for themselves.
 
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Call me sceptical but as said many times discussing this issue on here could prejudice the case. Could it be the original poster is deliberately inciting discussion about this issue so as to hinder a successful prosecution?

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Oh pleae!!

Like Tia said and JM07 agreed with.
 
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There were letter from centres in Chiltern Rider that certainly is not helping.


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No sure what you mean?

The Chilter Rider has a number of letters from centres commenting on the possible return or sale of these horses, non of which are positive to your cause. As I said we will just have to wait & see, then perhaps you will tell us what your involvement in all this is. As much I know how much the media can distort things, to report 32 dead horses seems a little extreme?

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TBH with you - what does it matter? The Gray family have been slandered so much, had so many lies told about them. So I'm sure a few letters won't be no suprise.

My involvement................nothing but an individual horse lover with a strong mind.

Compared to some of the people here I don't live too far from SF.....I have been fortunate enough to find out facts after much probeing- and I MUST speak as I find whether people like it or not.

a little extreme is an understatement...........every bit of BS they have reported has been very extreme. As extreme as it could possibly get.
 
Fingers X'd I will be.
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If I do manage to get there I'll wear a sandwich board with 'MYJACK' splashed all over it so you peeps will know who I am....
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I shall be attending the Court Hearing at Oxford, again, on Monday. I did not wave banners about last time, but I did go in, as did many others, and sat in the public gallery. JG didn't attend the hearing and no doubt he won't be there this Monday coming.

Can anyone tell me where and when the trial starts in London, so that I can plan ahead, please.
 
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It is clear that you have a personal interest in this case and i am wondering how open minded or accepting you may or may not be of the possibility the JG may be guilty. Or how open minded you are about that being a possibilty.

It is easy to nit pick over, he said this and she said that but that may not be the point here.
Your di-section and quotations of everyones comments make me think that you could be a little obsessed by this trial.

Or are you playing devil's advocate for the purpose of useful and balanced discussion?

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That is one perception. Mine is increasingly that MJ is connected to the defence legal team. So, not a witness, wishing to paint a better picture of the defendants, building bridges with the very people who have supported the rescue and recovery of the horses, and constantly casting doubt.

I still don't have a firm opinion, and won't have until I have heard disclosable evidence in court, but this olive branch just makes me more supicious

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Oh Mother_Hen FINALLY someone is speaking my language....
BUT I still dont beleive that MJ is even from this country she/he/it loves quoting and attack people that actually comes up with some facts,or shot down is a better word...I have known about the G family for YEARS and a leopard never changes its spots,he may or may not be guilty in THIS case only time will tell
 
I have, this morning, heard that a case I have particular interest in (not connected in anyway with JG) has been thrown out of court due to one of the parties stirring up trouble via gossip and emails.

It DOES pay not to give too much away in public before a trial as things DO come back and bite you in court.
 
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Oh Mother_Hen FINALLY someone is speaking my language....
BUT I still dont beleive that MJ is even from this country she/he/it loves quoting and attack people that actually comes up with some facts,or shot down is a better word...I have known about the G family for YEARS and a leopard never changes its spots,he may or may not be guilty in THIS case only time will tell

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Oh get real PW - just because I'm up at odd hours does not mean I don't live in this country.

.....and just who have I attacked??

What FACTS has anyone came up with, to whom I have 'shot down'?

YOU PW have a very short memory and more so, YOU are NOT a very good liar. When the JG case first hit the headlines YOU swore on the lives of your family that YOU had SEEN the animals that day. You have slated JG from day one concerning THIS case - now you say; he may or may not be guilty in THIS case only time will tell

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Oh Mother_Hen FINALLY someone is speaking my language....
BUT I still dont beleive that MJ is even from this country she/he/it loves quoting and attack people that actually comes up with some facts,or shot down is a better word...I have known about the G family for YEARS and a leopard never changes its spots,he may or may not be guilty in THIS case only time will tell

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Oh get real PW - just because I'm up at odd hours does not mean I don't live in this country.

.....and just who have I attacked??

What FACTS has anyone came up with, to whom I have 'shot down'?

YOU PW have a very short memory and more so, YOU are NOT a very good liar. When the JG case first hit the headlines YOU swore on the lives of your family that YOU had SEEN the animals that day. You have slated JG from day one concerning THIS case - now you say; he may or may not be guilty in THIS case only time will tell

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For pete sake get a life M.J instead of going through what people have posted in the past.since when is a married mother ( 31 years old with a child at Uni as well ) with children upp online on odd hours ???? FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE
Who have you NOT attacked ? The list is long
.And yes unlike you i have seen the horses and OF course i got say Guilty or Not Guilty he has not been through the trial yet and by writing a verdict that we think is suitable can damage his trial ,good try
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Here you see people M.J wants our tongues to slip..maybe XXXXXXXXXX WAS right you did post this thread hoping that it could be used for J.G's defence ?? And again it shows how the "tone" of M.J changes....and this will be the last thing that i will ever post about J.G/M.J unlike M.J i dont have to explain my views....
people knows who i support and what i stand for
I am actually glad that i undid the Ignore button
 
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Oh Mother_Hen FINALLY someone is speaking my language....
BUT I still dont beleive that MJ is even from this country she/he/it loves quoting and attack people that actually comes up with some facts,or shot down is a better word...I have known about the G family for YEARS and a leopard never changes its spots,he may or may not be guilty in THIS case only time will tell

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MJ has never gotten personal or attacked people on here...Unlike some
 
I dont think MJ has personally attacked anyone on this thread.
I think she is trying to be very clever and a little manipulative and some are able to see through that.

She will answer if it suits her but chooses to ignore any question that may ask her to question he belief. I do then think she is on some sort of mission because she will not discuss truly balanced.

She is beginning to lose her patience a little.
 
Sorry to disagree with you but I dont think MJ is loosing her patience she has explained several times in a very polite way that she cannot disclose details on a public forum as it may jepordise the court case....

If I a mere trainee motorcycle grease monkey can understand that then surely the smarter members of the forum can also understand that.

I would have lost my rag well before now and applaud MJ's patience
 
I dont mind being disagreed with at all.

I think MJ's knows the argument is lost if she gets too annoyed.
I also think that it does not matter what job you do-as you are implying-to be smart. I am sure you know that though.
 
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Sorry to disagree with you but I dont think MJ is loosing her patience she has explained several times in a very polite way that she cannot disclose details on a public forum as it may jepordise the court case....

If I a mere trainee motorcycle grease monkey can understand that then surely the smarter members of the forum can also understand that.

I would have lost my rag well before now and applaud MJ's patience

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I would never consider myself clever if I was I would be in a well paid job by now
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If I do manage to get there I'll wear a sandwich board with 'MYJACK' splashed all over it so you peeps will know who I am....

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Ha! Ha! I spot a business opportunity.

*heads out to buy tomatoes, preferably mouldy ones to sell to paddywhack outside the courtroom*

*Returns with lorry load*

My Jack, a question for you. Were you aware it is RSPCA week? Thought you would like to make a donation?....I have some tomatoes for sale....
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Sorry to disagree with you but I dont think MJ is loosing her patience she has explained several times in a very polite way that she cannot disclose details on a public forum as it may jepordise the court case....

If I a mere trainee motorcycle grease monkey can understand that then surely the smarter members of the forum can also understand that.

I would have lost my rag well before now and applaud MJ's patience

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*CLAPS*

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Even more *CLAPS**CLAPS*
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