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Horselover39

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I keep seeing this place on the news.
(1) Cruelty to horses inflicted
(2) Bute getting into the food chain
(3) Smuggling of horses from Ireland
All have taken place here.
A Facebook group has been created that wants this place Shut Down
Its called:
Stop Horse Slaughter Full Stop. Look Into Their Eyes Campaign.
 
sorry - but here we go again.


we NEED horse slaughter....there are too many horses as it is.... but we NEED humane killing - thats the whole point


if you want a petition to work - campaign for better travelling and killing conditions.....



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noodle_ said:
sorry - but here we go again.


we NEED horse slaughter....there are too many horses as it is.... but we NEED humane killing - thats the whole point


if you want a petition to work - campaign for better travelling and killing conditions.....



*backs away from the thread*
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Well put. Less horses slaughtered = more strain on horse charities = more suffering
 
Horselover39 said:
Hi

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A Facebook group has been created that wants this place Shut Down
Its called:
Stop Horse Slaughter Full Stop. Look Into Their Eyes Campaign.
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So in the unlikely event that this campaign is successful, and Turners are shut down, have those who are promoting an end to the slaughter of horses given any thought to how we dispose of them?

All of these reactions are because of a very short piece of film. There is NO justification for some of what we saw in that film, but there are two points to consider, firstly, the opinions of the vet who commented on a horse being still conscious whilst being bled, have been discredited by others from his profession, and secondly, the fact that a two or three minute piece was made from 8 WEEKS of filming, should demonstrate that though far from ideal, the very large part of the slaughter procedures at Turners, were actually correct. Were there more evidence, then it would have been on display, I'd have thought.

As others have said, we need more Horse Slaughter facilities, which are correctly run and managed, not less. Those who would join up with these well intentioned but pointless campaigns would do better to lobby their preferred animal charity and demand that a humane end to our equines is encouraged, by supporting a reinstatement of a LEGITIMATE trade in horse meat, when the whole business can be correctly regulated and monitored.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
So in the unlikely event that this campaign is successful, and Turners are shut down, have those who are promoting an end to the slaughter of horses given any thought to how we dispose of them?

All of these reactions are because of a very short piece of film. There is NO justification for some of what we saw in that film, but there are two points to consider, firstly, the opinions of the vet who commented on a horse being still conscious whilst being bled, have been discredited by others from his profession, and secondly, the fact that a two or three minute piece was made from 8 WEEKS of filming, should demonstrate that though far from ideal, the very large part of the slaughter procedures at Turners, were actually correct. Were there more evidence, then it would have been on display, I'd have thought.

As others have said, we need more Horse Slaughter facilities, which are correctly run and managed, not less. Those who would join up with these well intentioned but pointless campaigns would do better to lobby their preferred animal charity and demand that a humane end to our equines is encouraged, by supporting a reinstatement of a LEGITIMATE trade in horse meat, when the whole business can be correctly regulated and monitored.

Alec.
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Absolutely. People aren't thinking straight. Closing Turners would just relocate the slaughter to a less public abbatoir, or one overseas. If people don't like horses being slaughtered, they should begin at the beginning and lobby for tighter regulations on breeding. I write this as the first foals from the local cob breeding 'enterprises' are beginning to make an appearance. I can't help but think their future lies on a plate.
 
For all of those with horses its horrible to think of them ending up in the slaughter house...but it is a necessity.
Anyone who thinks it should be banned in the uk needs to think seriuosly about what the alternatives are. There isn t an alternative.
 
Alec - as usual hits the nail on the head!
When are people going to realise that if we lose even more horse abbatoirs it will increase the pain and suffering of a lot more horses than we are seeing now.
 
Spot on comments, slaughter houses being closed, means more equines starving to death, better I do not think so. As long as they are treated like cattle, sheep and pigs, let the slaughter houses continue. If they want to do something about the slaughter regime, start a facebook page about the officials who are supposed to be watching and checking, and are instead sitting drinking cups of tea/coffee and reading papers. Make them do their job properly.
 
Hi Alec
I Agree.... there does need to be horse slaughter in this country.
It's a well known Fact... That the footage Hillside have is indeed far worse than broadcast!!!!!!!!
It was too disturbing to be shown on national tv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also Red Lion has had carcasses ready to go in the food chain which were contaminated with bute FSA findings 7/3
AND
This week the NI tv programme highlighted Red Lion "The Insider, Spectator" highlighted yet more very very serious concerns about RL.
 
Horselover39 said:
Hi
I keep seeing this place on the news.
(1) Cruelty to horses inflicted
(2) Bute getting into the food chain
(3) Smuggling of horses from Ireland
All have taken place here.
A Facebook group has been created that wants this place Shut Down
Its called:
Stop Horse Slaughter Full Stop. Look Into Their Eyes Campaign.
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We need better policing and standards. In the USA campaigners succeeded in closing all US slaughter houses for horses. Instead horses were sent to the hell hole of Mexican slaughter houses. Film footage from the American Humane Society is stomach churning.

America has now re-opened its slaughter facilities. Do you want British horses to be slaughtered in Italy?
 
Awful subject this........ but needs airing. Another one who agrees with Alec.

BUT - methinks there is a lot more than needs to tackled as-well-as, i.e. indiscriminate breeding - like for example people who think oh lets put the mare in foal, even though either dam or sire may have comformation and/or temperamental defects, just to make a buck. Result = yet another scrub foal which is virtually worthless, and certainly won't sell well. This is going on all the time which results in more & more poor, worthless little foals being produced which will only go to slaughter - here in the UK if they're lucky (and I use the word cautiously), or even worse, bought up for sixpence at auction and then ferried abroad somewhere on some awful one-way journey. We know it happens unfortunately.

Of course, this overbreeding issue happens in the dog world too; way too much over-breeding by unscrupulous individuals seeking to line their own pockets. Plus stupid people who won't sterilise their dogs, for whatever reason.

Sorry don't have any solutions: can't see licensing doing much good coz the people doing it would just give Two Fingers to the system. Wasn't passporting supposed to be The Be All and End All???

But we all know there are far too many horses out there; yet you can never get what you want when you want it. Daft innit.

Personally I don't have a problem with sending horses to slaughter; whilst it would not be my personal choice coz I'm way too sentimental - I can see the necessity for commercial institutions like racing yards, riding stables etc., which need to make a profit in order to survive, and agree with Alec that there will always, regrettably if you will, be a demand for licensed horse slaughter facilities here in the UK.
 
No. They need to be slaughtered here AND it needs to be done properly!!!!!!!!
I agree.... The overbreeding situation is disgraceful!!!!!!
And needs addressing..... There's too many horses and they're being farmed off..................
Also within this equation comes the slaughtering of mares in foal. Appar. its illegal to slaughter a cow in calf, sheep in lamb, but not a horse. Not good is it!!!
 
Perhaps it would be more constructive to lobby the WHW etc. and suggest that they openly support the horse lines that are available and lobby for another one or two..... A welfare officer could be funded by the charity to supervise these horse lines to ensure good/best practice is followed.... although as I understand it a vet has to be at a slaughterhouse anyway.
 
No objection to slaughter houses, but The Red Lion has given cause for grave concern for years locally.

Should Turners continue to operate if it is found that they have consistently fallen below the standards required for the humane housing and care of horses, both prior to slaughter and during the slaughter process ?

Or is it ok to turn a blind eye and accept bad and at times, cruel practice ?
 
Girlie1998 said:
Oh my god, I can't believe the amount of heartless supposedly horse lovers who are happy for horses to be slaughtered in such a cruel way! Shut that place down it's cruel.. Horses should not be slaughtered full stop!!
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Ok, we'll just leave them in mudpits (sorry *fields*) and let them starve to death instead, or put them on overcrowded trucks bound for the continent with no hay/water/rest stops... ;) :rolleyes:
 
Girlie1998 - sorry to burst your bubble, but the only ones heartless will be those that want slaughter houses closed down, so why dont you reeducate your group of followers to do the right thing and campaign for more humane destruction, rather than horses starving to death in fields because their owners can no longer afford them due to the current recession etc etc. thanks for reading.
 
I have watched many many videos, and it is sad, very sad, but because an owner can no longer afford their horse who says the next person can, because they are not lining up offering to take over your horse for you, and whilst i and many many others donate to charities those charities are overflowing and cannot take another animal, let alone one that is still in good health but their owner can no longer afford it.

We are horse lovers and we care very much about what happens to our beloved animals, so we would rather they be put down humanely, than left in a field to starve to death or travel on trucks to be slaughtered out of the UK. Even old retired horses still need to be looked after, they dont just disappear.

You are so full of this valuable emotion, please help us all and put that energy you have to good use and help campaign for humane destruction, and the end to overbreeding.
 
horserider said:
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Should Turners continue to operate if it is found that they have consistently fallen below the standards required for the humane housing and care of horses, both prior to slaughter and during the slaughter process ?

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Produce the evidence, and then present it to the FSA. Whinging on here about such matters will achieve nothing. Take your complaints, WITH the evidence to the Authorities. That's how you and I will improve the system.

Alec.
 
Girlie1998 said:
And that's why I pay money to various charities. So what your saying is if a human can't look after their horses then they deserve to be killed inhumanly and mistreated before hand rather than rehomed? Have you watched the video, hmmm thought not. How about putting money into charities or rehoming where ever possible? And when you say send the horses off to Europe did you not see the horses being slaughtered are being smuggled over from Ireland, yip so I'm sure they came over in a lovely box with hay and water.... NOT
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The same charities that are full to bursting with a huge waiting list? The same charities that are now advising some owners to PTS if they can't afford their horses any more - which is easier said than done if the owner has fallen on seriously hard times and can't find the £200+ to PTS... Sometimes the only way out for an owner is Potters/Turners etc and if they are shut down then many more horses will be neglected, starved, in pain etc.
 
Girlie1998 said:
And that's why I pay money to various charities. So what your saying is if a human can't look after their horses then they deserve to be killed inhumanly and mistreated before hand rather than rehomed? Have you watched the video, hmmm thought not. How about putting money into charities or rehoming where ever possible? And when you say send the horses off to Europe did you not see the horses being slaughtered are being smuggled over from Ireland, yip so I'm sure they came over in a lovely box with hay and water.... NOT
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ive watched the video and did nt like it. I don t suppose i would like to see a similar video with cows, sheep or pigs treat in the same way.
Most of the posters on here don t rejoice in animals being slaughtered.
my horse will stay with me until the day he dies because i don t want him to end his life in the slaughterhouse.
Having said that Girlie and not being nasty but what is your alternative ? The way i see it is a campaign to ban horse slaughter is pretty pointless unless you can come up with a viable alternative.....so what is the campaigns plan supposing horse slaughter was banned?
 
Alec Swan said:
Produce the evidence, and then present it to the FSA. Whinging on here about such matters will achieve nothing. Take your complaints, WITH the evidence to the Authorities. That's how you and I will improve the system.

Alec.
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I understand that is what is happening.

So OP if you choose to highlight on this site the continued failures at Red Lion then go right ahead....

More horse abbatoirs are needed not less, but Turner needs his licience taken away and replaced with a better run facility.
 
Sorry girlie but I agree with Alec too. I love my horse as I am sure you do but there are thousands of unloved horses out there and I would rather they had a quick end than months of suffering. Slaughterhouses need better regulation and more monitoring but they serve a purpose. Those of us who can may well chose a different method of despatch but for some horses that will never happen.
 
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