TURNERS ABBATOIR - RED LION

Bertieb123 said:
Crazy horse lady I have a some questions for you.

1: If you as a Cheshire Lass have heard about grim things going on at Turners years ago, did you report it to any Authorities, RSPCA (if so would be interested to know who and what was done).

2: On this quote you want to educate people into the reality of horse slaughter and understand that there is an alternative to the knackers yard. Well I not quite sure how you are going to educate people on horse slaughter as some time ago I mentioned about you going into a abattoir for a day and the answer was something like why would I want to! You stated you have seen things good and bad on the net? I am afraid that does not qualify you to be able to 'educate' people in the slaughter of horses or any animal. I am not disputing there were some breeches on the Turners Hillside Video, myself and others have agreed it need addressing and im sure it will be.

3: One moment ie, this quote you come over as being against horse slaughter, now recently you agree with it:confused:

4: Hillside, while I take my hat off to them for exposing things (have seen other things like the horrendous farm, and the Dairy Cattle) I do as I said before worry a little for the persons who are actually going onto premises (for their personal safety) again, were authorities or some of the main welfare organisations informed, if so and nothing was done THEY also need highlighting for doing nothing as we are paying for the authorities to act when something reported and many are donating to some of the large welfare 'Charities' if they are turning a blind eye ask why publicly.
How many are Hillside planning on 'rescuing'? they seem to be crying out for donations already.

To finish, I am a horse lover, and I feel there is a need for horse abattoirs, as I have said many, many times, done properly it is a peaceful end to any animal, whether bred for meat or not, and I do actually think (as much as it galls me about what has happened) IF Turners stays open people should work with them to make sure there is no repeat of what has gone on, it is a much needed service. IF it closes I hope another one opens to replace it (properly monitored of course).

As I have worked in an abattoir (not a horse one, but have visited the other one nr. Taunton a few times) for the last 20 years I think I am able to comment in an informed way as to what goes on in most abattoirs.

We cannot rescue them all!
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CRAZY HORSE LADY IAM DISAPOINTED YOU NEVER ANSWERED ANY OF MY QUESTIONS.

I AM ALSO VERY DISAPOINTED THAT YOU HAVE ONCE AGAIN BEEN ON WEBSITES, ONES WITH VERY EXTREME VIEWS AT THAT TO GET ALL YOUR INFORMATION AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO SPOUT THAT BILE TO SCHOOL CHILDREN I TOO WOULD BE FUMING IF MY CHILDREN CAME HOME SPOUTING ALL THAT MISFORMED RUBBISH! ESPECIALLY FROM SOMEONE WHO FOUND IT ON THE NET OR IN A INFO PACK, THATS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS WORLD THERE ARE TOO MANY SO CALLED EXPERTS WITH NO PRACTICAL KNOWELDGE THEN THEY TRY TOEDUCATEOTHERS.

IF I WAS ONE OF THE ORGANISERS OF HILLSIDE I WOULD BE CRINGING WITH SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS, FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING NEED PEOPLE WHO KNOW FACT AND CERTAINLY NOT VERGING ON EXTREMEST VIEWS TO PROMOTE THEM:(
 
Bertieb123 said:
CRAZY HORSE LADY IAM DISAPOINTED YOU NEVER ANSWERED ANY OF MY QUESTIONS.

I AM ALSO VERY DISAPOINTED THAT YOU HAVE ONCE AGAIN BEEN ON WEBSITES, ONES WITH VERY EXTREME VIEWS AT THAT TO GET ALL YOUR INFORMATION AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO SPOUT THAT BILE TO SCHOOL CHILDREN I TOO WOULD BE FUMING IF MY CHILDREN CAME HOME SPOUTING ALL THAT MISFORMED RUBBISH! ESPECIALLY FROM SOMEONE WHO FOUND IT ON THE NET OR IN A INFO PACK, THATS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS WORLD THERE ARE TOO MANY SO CALLED EXPERTS WITH NO PRACTICAL KNOWELDGE THEN THEY TRY TOEDUCATEOTHERS.

IF I WAS ONE OF THE ORGANISERS OF HILLSIDE I WOULD BE CRINGING WITH SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS, FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING NEED PEOPLE WHO KNOW FACT AND CERTAINLY NOT VERGING ON EXTREMEST VIEWS TO PROMOTE THEM:(
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B, where to start. I did not answer your questions as i have been busy. Also, to be honest, I got a bit bored of answering the same questions over and over on previous posts.

Turners have been reported on numerous occasions to the RSPA, WHW etc (in the good awl days). Of course they said they would look into it, maybe they did, but nothing was ever done. Hence why they are still open and running. Only now, thanks to social media, has the issue been thoroughly highlighted.

The "not going to a slaughter house" issue, I still would never have the stomach or the heart to do that. Still using good and bad footage to shout out and tell ppl what goes on, the alternatives, etc. Also a very trusted rep from Hillside went to a certain abattoir for two weeks and said they think the whole affair is still grim, the point they went? was asked to go, like you are asking me to go. so they went, still not very nice, still agrees humane slaughter needs to be done.

I am against ppl who put their beloved family, competing, breeding horses to this death. The animal has served you well, give it a dignified ending at home. There is a difference between this and slaughter houses. I know there is a need for slaughter houses, but want a well managed slaughter house with CCTV, where the slaughter men do not beat the horses, leave them for days and days in pens with strangles, colic, broken legs.

I agree, I too worry about charities that risk themselves getting this footage. They are super brave and committed to the welfare of animals. Why dont the authorities use this evidence to prosecute? Maybe because the fever and anger at the situation from the public dies down, maybe it costs too much money, maybe they have too many cases on their hands, etc etc.

To finnish I too am a horse lover. I too see the need for horse slaughter houses. I agree, it pees me off to say this but if I had the money I would open a super efficient well run slaughter house for horses. I would have it purposely built with correct care for the horses, I would create a totally non mechanical (as mush as one could) atmosphere. I do believe there are other abattoirs like this for cattle etc. All very calm and peaceful not like huge plants.

Thank you for your info on working in an abattoir its reassuring that it can be done correctly.

B, I fail to see how it disappoints you me looking on the internet for info, the days of me going to the library and leafing through books for reference are well gone. I prefer to use the internet.

THE ONLY INFO I HAVE RECEIVED FROM PETA IS TEACHING CHILDREN TO BE COMPASSIONATE TO ANIMALS.NOTHING ELSE!!!!! It just so happens this is the first pack I saw so ordered it. PETA have some very interesting information.
 
guido16 said:
So if your not a teacher, why are you teaching?

Frustrated dinner lady? Gobby janitor? Preaching cleaner?
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Im not teaching, Im sharing my knowledge. Did you know that a yolk does not actually grow into a chick, the yolk is there to feed the chick in the shell, once the yolk is eaten the chick pops out. How fab is that......:)
 
Bertie, I am very interested in your views and experiences working at a slaughter house. As I say, I have seen good and bad footage. When I have time I would like to discuss this with you. I have spoken to a few slaughter men, so value and appreciate opinions.
 
You seem to think that this forum is 'harsh' because of the need to be 'factual.'
You will actually find, that if you are in possession of fully researched facts, and present them in a coherent manner, then people will listen.
In this instance however, people on this forum are already well aware of the issues, and support any prosecution for welfare breaches.

(Well......when were not being harsh and relentlessly whipping our horses, that is :rolleyes:)

Horrors :rolleyes: :D
 
Patterdale said:
You seem to think that this forum is 'harsh' because of the need to be 'factual.'
You will actually find, that if you are in possession of fully researched facts, and present them in a coherent manner, then people will listen.
In this instance however, people on this forum are already well aware of the issues, and support any prosecution for welfare breaches.

(Well......when were not being harsh and relentlessly whipping our horses, that is :rolleyes:)

Horrors :rolleyes: :D
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I do think some of the ppl on this forum are harsh. Ban the whip!! in all my years of riding I am proud to say I have "never" whipped any horse, or used spurs.
 
Ban the whip?!

Do you know, I just typed out a reasoned reply then deleted the whole thing. There's just no reasoning with some people!

So lets ban whips, close the slaughterhouses, murder our horses at home and all join PETA. Only thing is, PETA are against keeping animals for any reason, they believe to even ride a horse or keep a pet dog is cruel, so I suppose that would mean an end to keeping piles of ponies in your garage.....
 
Crazy horse lady said:
Im not teaching, Im sharing my knowledge. Did you know that a yolk does not actually grow into a chick, the yolk is there to feed the chick in the shell, once the yolk is eaten the chick pops out. How fab is that......:)
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Yes thanks, already knew that, bless you for not knowing before the internet:rolleyes:
 
Patterdale said:
You seem to think that this forum is 'harsh' because of the need to be 'factual.'
You will actually find, that if you are in possession of fully researched facts, and present them in a coherent manner, then people will listen.
In this instance however, people on this forum are already well aware of the issues, and support any prosecution for welfare breaches.

(Well......when were not being harsh and relentlessly whipping our horses, that is :rolleyes:)

Horrors :rolleyes: :D
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She'll be talking about Parelli next :rolleyes:

Definitive proof that if you come on a forum and act like an illinformed idiot, you will be treated like one.

Just going off to beat my horses into submission whist jamming them in their sides with my spurs.
 
Crazy horse lady said:
"Im a ranta", is an acronym of Amaranta.

And yes, absolutely, I am a ranter.
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Amaranta said:
Oh dear sweetie, if you are going to try to use big words you need to know what they mean, I think the word you are looking for is anagram :rolleyes:
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And not even a good anagram. Seeing as it has an I in it and there is no I in amaranta.
It's more the sort of thing you see as a headline in The Sun where they think they're being clever and witty.
 
I hope this episode has enlightened and entertained. And remember folks.....Turner is GOING DOWN!!

And I do hope you all find somewhere else to take your horses when he knocks this place down and builds houses on it, ssssiiiiigggghhhhhhh xx
 
Crazy horse lady said:
I hope this episode has enlightened and entertained. And remember folks.....Turner is GOING DOWN!!

And I do hope you all find somewhere else to take your horses when he knocks this place down and builds houses on it, ssssiiiiigggghhhhhhh xx
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You are surely perfectly aware that there's no-one here whose horses are ever likely to be going to any abattoir. I don't believe you are that unintelligent.









Are you? :eek:
 
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amymay said:
Let's hope not.
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I really wouldn't worry too much amymay. The world always sees the extremists of what ever persuasion, for what they are. That there is one person who refuses to look outside their narrow, opinionated and ineffective world, and see that the rest of Society suggests that we act for the greater good, is of little consequence.

You will also find that there are those who's opinions are of far greater importance to them, than the subject in hand, which is equine welfare. Eventually we see them for what they are. Gabbling women on face book have never achieved anything of value, that I'm aware of.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
I really wouldn't worry too much amymay. The world always sees the extremists of what ever persuasion, for what they are. That there is one person who refuses to look outside their narrow, opinionated and ineffective world, and see that the rest of Society suggests that we act for the greater good, is of little consequence.

You will also find that there are those who's opinions are of far greater importance to them, than the subject in hand, which is equine welfare. Eventually we see them for what they are. Gabbling women on face book have never achieved anything of value, that I'm aware of.

Alec.
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Perfectly put Alec :)
 
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