UNBELIEVABLE!!! RE- people who don't wrap their horses up 'cosy warm'

Winklepoker said:
Right the bottom line is.. I came on here to have a good old whinge like every bugger else does... I wont be going to the owner, if their horse keels over and dies on their heads be it, oh and Martlin... how much are hobbles?
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No point spending money, make some out of baler twine and some vetwrap - it'll be fine. OR, you could nail his feet to the ground, a bit permanent, but a solution nonetheless and it will save you on fencing.
 
Winklepoker said:
Leather and Chrome... I was hoping for something a bit more sturdy like chains?
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well these are my boys havent been used a few months so need a damn good clean they are leather and chain

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why not bolt his feet to 2 curved pieces of wood, then he can rock on the spot backwards and forwards without charging round
 
My horse is out with a MW stable rug and HW turnout rug on (he is 26 and really feels the cold) but shoot me now, my pony is out naked! I dont even own a rug for her!
 
Winklepoker said:
Honestly, today is MINUS ... yes thats right.... MINUS 3 where I am and there is a clipped horse with no rug on out in the field.
There is also a display of unclipped nakedness that, quite frankly, is bloody cruel and ignorant in my book.



PMSL! Well you better report me then, my two ponies are out 24/7 in the nuddy, and the forecast is -10 up here by the weekend.



My horse is wearing so many rugs - most of you would lose hair over it!


Poor thing. Why?



My manual of horsemanship never taught me to do that!!!!!



Lmfao!! :D



I dont care how natural you like your horses to be, would you shut your child/husband/hamster out in the cold, in the nude and spray them with cold water?? I DONT THINK SO!!!!
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Definitely the husband, yes. The children? Depends on their behaviour. We don't own a hamster, so can't answer that one. But ponies, yes. Last time I looked they were STILL ponies, not humans or hamsters.

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Tinseltoes said:
I just think instead of whining in here she should tell the owners!!
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Ah, ok.

Well not much point in having a forum then I suppose.

And Is she whining, or expressing a concern - which in turn has engendered a lively debate?

I don't suppose we'll see very much of you on here from now on then if you feel the forum has no use.

Byee.
 
Right, I'm taking it this has got to be a wind up?

Mine have been out naked in Aberdeenshire last two winters (and it was really cold). Have shelter and unlimited haylage (good stuff too). All lived, all came out of the winter fat.

Its really really dangerous to rug foals, younsters and mares who are feeding. its also dangerous to rug other horses where the above are in shared fields. Just imagine a foal/weanling getting caught in a fillet string/leg strap of another horse when playing or even just caught in their own rugs. They don't have the physical weight to break the straps. Foals getting hung on mum's rugs whilst feeding is not uncommon.

Still, rant over, has to be a wind up. I'm going back to my A level marking now.....:mad::mad:
 
scarymare said:
Right, I'm taking it this has got to be a wind up?

Mine have been out naked in Aberdeenshire last two winters (and it was really cold). Have shelter and unlimited haylage (good stuff too). All lived, all came out of the winter fat.

Its really really dangerous to rug foals, younsters and mares who are feeding. its also dangerous to rug other horses where the above are in shared fields. Just imagine a foal/weanling getting caught in a fillet string/leg strap of another horse when playing or even just caught in their own rugs. They don't have the physical weight to break the straps. Foals getting hung on mum's rugs whilst feeding is not uncommon.

Still, rant over, has to be a wind up. I'm going back to my A level marking now.....:mad::mad:
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Well said.
 
amymay said:
Why do you think this post is a wind up?

OP was about a clipped horse, out rugless, and the OP's concerns over this.
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I must admit I do hate reading posters in here advocating clipping horses and not rugging to control their weight - shivering it off or some such nonsense. Sounded to me like the OP was decrying all of us who (in my case for very good reason) don't rug. My only clipped one is actually rugged. My tackroom is stuffed full of very expensive rugs too, but since I got 'rug OCD' I must admit they look so much better (my neighbour is also going rugless next year having seen mine - barefooter too though)

Perhaps I misread the tone of the post. I am marking an awful lot of very opinionated essays atm?
 
TBH whether it was or wasnt meant in jest, surely we are all entitled to have our own beliefs and concerns and the choice to voice them? I do believe that clipped horses should be rugged to provide the warmth that you, as the clipper, have taken away. Dont rug your scraggy cobs and natives if you dont want to, they are covered in revolting hair and mane anyway :D Just saying, it is freedom of speech and choices.
 
Winklepoker said:
TBH whether it was or wasnt meant in jest, surely we are all entitled to have our own beliefs and concerns and the choice to voice them? I do believe that clipped horses should be rugged to provide the warmth that you, as the clipper, have taken away. Dont rug your scraggy cobs and natives if you dont want to, they are covered in revolting hair and mane anyway :D Just saying, it is freedom of speech and choices.
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I so totally agree with these sentiments, surely if you choose to clip you equally have to rug to compensate for what you have taken away - definitely in the depth of winter - surely that is just a no brainer?????
 
A little concerned that no one on this thread advocating just checking whether the horse in the field was warm enough without a rug before suggesting various rants at people etc...

I depend what the horses get on how they act in the cold and their age, condition, breed etc. My 15 year old fit pony is fully clipped and in a middleweight, while the oldie (30) is in a heavyweight most of the time (both the same condition).

The only time i have ever told someone they were rugging up unfairly was when a girl had 2 duvets and a heavyweight on her horse in summer- the poor beast was always sweating!
 
A little concerned that no one on this thread advocating just checking whether the horse in the field was warm enough without a rug before suggesting various rants at people etc...
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I would imagine that being clipped and in general poor condition, it's safe to bet that it's cold.
 
That's a great point overtherainbow, and I think more worryingly the horses WP refers to are both aged - whether she is jesting or not still a very valid point????
 
Winklepoker said:
Honestly, today is MINUS ... yes thats right.... MINUS 3 where I am and there is a clipped horse with no rug on out in the field.
There is also a display of unclipped nakedness that, quite frankly, is bloody cruel and ignorant in my book.
My horse is wearing so many rugs - most of you would lose hair over it!

I lunged last night when it was -1 and my horse kept his thermatex on until he was sufficiently warm enough to have it off. No way would he be touched with the cold water out of the hose let alone bathed in this weather which i have seen being done also.

HORSES BEING LEFT OUT ON FROZEN GROUND WITH NO UNFROZEN HAY is REVOLTING.... My manual of horsemanship never taught me to do that!!!!!

I dont care how natural you like your horses to be, would you shut your child/husband/hamster out in the cold, in the nude and spray them with cold water?? I DONT THINK SO!!!!
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I haven't read the whole thread. But we have had three horses on our yard need veterinary treatment for overheating and being over-rugged so far this winter! The vet on each occasion has had to lecture the owner about how horses don't want to feel as warm as we need to feel, and far more damage can be done more quickly to a horse which is over-rugged compared to being under-rugged.

Don't get me wrong, I would never condone a clipped warmblood or TB, or aged horse to be out overnight naked in mid winter, nor would I condone a horse carrying little condition to be out unrugged during winter, but if the horses in question are healthy horses, is it possible you may be over-reacting a little? Are they out 24hours, or just in the daytime?

On sunny, and windless (but still chilly) days this winter I've turned my fully clipped kwpn out in just his rainsheet and he's come in happier than those who have come in sweating and on the verge of colicking due to being out in HWs when the sun has been heating them up like a green-house. Also every horse is different. Some horses need to be rugged a lot, and others are much 'warmer' (as is my kwpn) and simply don't need as many layers on, otherwise they overheat. ... :)
 
Whether it is a wind-up or not, it does seem to have highlighted that very few posters know that horses keep warm by eating, rather than moving around and that putting your hand under a rug will only tell you if the horse is massively too hot. To estimate a horse's body temp, you need to slip your hand into its 'elbow' under the hair (if there is any). A horse's coat is insulating, so putting your hand on top of it will not tell you how hot the horse is.
This is why when our unclipped unrugged horses were out in the snow on Friday (including the 30 yr old), they had snow on their backs. They were warm enough. I would have been worried if the snow had melted on them.
 
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