Update : he did it again

digitalangel said:
i am now officially bawling my eyes out.
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For very good reasons!

You've had to have the guts to do what someone else would not, and you have been right royally done over moneywise.

You have my respect and my best wishes that it comes to a swift conclusion now everything is decided.

I can't write what I feel about the people who sold you that poor horse.
 
cptrayes said:
For very good reasons!

You've had to have the guts to do what someone else would not, and you have been right royally done over moneywise.

You have my respect and my best wishes that it comes to a swift conclusion now everything is decided.

I can't write what I feel about the people who sold you that poor horse.
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So agree with this. The poor horse has been so badly let down and it shouldn't have been down to you to make this decision for him. God knows how long he has been suffering with this for, and I believe it is suffering as no horse should have to go through whatever this one is. It must be terrifying for it as well.

I really hope the breeders do get their comeuppance. You are saving this horse from what otherwise could be a horrible end. It is extremely sad as none of us wish for a young horse's life to end but to he kept alive sounds like no life for this poor soul :-(
 
cptrayes said:
For very good reasons!

You've had to have the guts to do what someone else would not, and you have been right royally done over moneywise.

You have my respect and my best wishes that it comes to a swift conclusion now everything is decided.

I can't write what I feel about the people who sold you that poor horse.
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This absolutely!!!

You have been dealt a marked card but you are doing the right thing for this poor boy.............
 
The waiting to get it done is horrible, but you are absolutely doing the right thing. I'm glad for your sake that you witnessed the second episode in its entirety as you know that he did it with no external provocation, otherwise you may have always been wondering if something happened at your yard to set him off.

If a post mortem will cost you yet more money, then don't get one done. Whilst it may give a reason for his behaviour it wouldn't change the end result and you need to recover and regroup.
 
So sorry to read this. Kudos to you for having the courage to make all the right, hard decisions, for trying again, and knowing when to stop.
Kind thoughts, xx
 
DA - I had a little mare who did this.

She was always hot and fizzy, and initially I put behaviour changes down to different routines, different fitness programmes etc. Although I did know she'd bolted with someone beforehand, it was generally considered that was rider not horse.

Without boring you with details, she started to bolt sometimes being turned out. She once seriously bolted with me on board, I thought we were heading for a double fatality as she was so out of control with herself. Then it got worse and worse until she was starting to injure herself with speedy cuts to both back legs. She also couldn't cope with the slightest wait if tied up being brought in at night, for example. Any slower than immediate rug change and in the box and she would start box walking as soon as she got into the box.

Took her up to the vet hospital for a neurological assessment and they couldn't find anything. They looked at the videos and agreed that euthanasia was the only practical option.

I was devastated, and tried to figure what I'd done wrong, what had I missed etc as they said it must be behavioural. I didn't get a pm done as the insurance wouldn't pay out for either the vet bills or loss of use/death and I figured once she was gone money saved would be more practical than something that may or may not have shed light.

With hindsight (but no real knowledge) it seemed as if her adrenaline trigger was featherlight. Any anticipation had her become frantic very quickly, even in situations she knew about and had been fine in for years. So all this time I've just gone with the thought that the adrenaline 'wiring' became wrong. But like I say, it's just guesswork.

Hard as it is, you've definitely gone for the only feasible outcome. I'm just lucky that she and I got way with it for so long, as looking back I can't quite believe I kept her going as long as I did.

I don't know your horse's history, or how long you've had him, but I can't blame the previous people who owned and bred mine, it was a problem that escalated, probably initially triggered by moving from where she'd been all her life.

Really sorry for you. It's incredibly difficult. :-(
 
cptrayes said:
For very good reasons!

You've had to have the guts to do what someone else would not, and you have been right royally done over moneywise.

You have my respect and my best wishes that it comes to a swift conclusion now everything is decided.

I can't write what I feel about the people who sold you that poor horse.
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absolutely this, CPT has written what i was struggling to put into words. x
 
I am so sorry for you OP. The horse is lucky he ended up with someone who can help him in the appropriate way, you have my and, as has been seen on the earlier comments, everyone else's utmost respect.
 
OP, you are coping so well with what has been thrown at you by these unscrupulous people. You are absolutely doing the right thing, the only responsible thing that any self respecting horse lover would do. Although it is an awful end to all the excitement and promise of getting a new horse, it could have been a million times worse . Did your vet shed any light on what might be causing it?
 
Thanks you Caledonia, that is a very brave post and a very unique insight. I am feeling xactly the kind of emotions and neither the vet nor me nor anyone can say what is causing this. i tried to get a pic before of the eye rolling thing but couldnt get one. hes still doing it. Hes safe in the stable and hes being visited at 9:30 tomorrow morning.
 
OP I am so saddened to read this :( My heart really goes out to you.
This is not normal behaviour and the eye rolling would make me very worried. Regardless as to whether its neurological or psychological he does sound like a ticking time bomb.
How anyone could sell on a horse like this and sleep at night is beyond me so I hope they get they're come'uppence !
Sometimes its almost as though these things happen for a reason - and maybe the reason is you :o Maybe it is his good fortune to be with someone who cares deeply and shows him love and kindness when he needs it the most. xxx
 
digitalangel said:
Thanks you Caledonia, that is a very brave post and a very unique insight. I am feeling xactly the kind of emotions and neither the vet nor me nor anyone can say what is causing this. i tried to get a pic before of the eye rolling thing but couldnt get one. hes still doing it. Hes safe in the stable and hes being visited at 9:30 tomorrow morning.
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DA try to video the eye thing on your phone if you can. As I said in my PM to you - I would be taking these breeders to court - they are despicable people to be putting you through this danger and heartache. A video and statement from your vet and from anyone else who has witnessed his behaviour (document it all with dates and time) will be needed. Please make them pay for this financially at least. They have shown they have no conscience.
 
Just want to send hugs, will be thinking of you tomorrow morning.

Hope you have people around to support you, you have had to make one of the hardest decisions, such a desperately sad situation, but there is only one safe solution.
 
I have nothing really that I can add, apart from to say I think you are being hugely brave and kind in your decision. I am so sorry you're going through this, and my thoughts are with you - you are showing him kindness where others have simply passed the buck, and for that you really have my respect, and my sympathy for this situation.
 
Id just like to add my sympathies to those already offered and to say I agree completely with all who have said it is the best thing for everyones safety, not least this poor horse. An awful situation for you to have found yourself in but how brave and amazing you are being in doing the right thing by him, the poor lad. I do hope that the sellers get their come uppance in whatever form that may be, some folk just have absolutely no regard for anyone or anything, it truly is all about the money!! Will be thinking about you tomorrow along with most of this forum it seems and hope all goes as well as is possible ((())) x
 
Can't stop thinking about you and what you are having to endure. I really hope you have a good friend of two supporting you right now... difficult as it is, I hope your vet will gather as much evidence as possible, to enable you to take the seller to court and stop him putting any future innocent buyers through the hell you've been through, let alone the poor horse.
 
Thanks to each and every person who has commented. the support is overwhelming. as for the breeders ive spoken to legal people and bhs helpline if i put him down i cant return him so therefore it would be hard to get money back. its not about the money anyway its about his future. I know i can go and start proceedings in small claims but i dont have much chance of winning because im doing the right thing by him.
 
I'm so sorry to read this. You have given him a chance, and I think you were very very brave to do that. Most wouldn't have even considered putting themselves at risk to give him that chance.
 
I've followed but not posted before, DA, you're being immensely brave and compassionate. I'm truly sorry for you and will be thinking of you. I know your heart is breaking, and your confidence has been knocked by this horse, and you've been ripped off and will be left with a lot less cash and no horse, but I for one am glad he found someone like you xxxx
 
Im so sorry to read this. I'm not normally one for posting exactly what others are saying, I normally think there's no point in repeating it but in this case I think there is, especially if you're finding comfort in these posts. You did the right thing in giving him that carefully managed second chance and you're doing the right thing in letting him go now. I can only hope I'd have the same bravery and decency to do everything you have done from the moment you got this horse if I was in the same situation. I'll be thinking of both you and him in the morning
 
Been following this, and I am so desperately sorry for what you have gone through with this poor horse. You are making the right decision,the breeders of this poor soul should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.I have huge respect for you, you have given him a chance, and I am sorry it has to end like this for you. But he will be in a better place, where he and no-one else will get hurt.You have been taken for a ride by these people, and now have to face this, something that they should have faced and not passed the buck. I shall be thinking of you tomorrow, your kindness and bravery with this poor horse is to be commended.You certainly never failed him, others have done that. I hope you will be able to get some redress, though that won't make up for all the heartache you have been through. Keep strong, you are the one thing that this poor horse needs now, and I wish you well x
 
digitalangel said:
Thanks to each and every person who has commented. the support is overwhelming. as for the breeders ive spoken to legal people and bhs helpline if i put him down i cant return him so therefore it would be hard to get money back. its not about the money anyway its about his future. I know i can go and start proceedings in small claims but i dont have much chance of winning because im doing the right thing by him.
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This is the get out clause that saves vendors/dealers and drives me mad.

The damaged horses that end up with people like you that do the right thing are the lucky ones. As are those that go to people that can't bear the thought of returning a horse because of the consequences either to the horse, or to another purchaser.

The law is wrong here inasmuch the purchaser doing the right thing by the horse supports the irresponsible action by the vendor who gets off scot free and the purchaser bears the financial and emotional cost. Horses need to be classed as sentient beings in the eyes of the law, not just as objects of trade.

It's awful for you. Get tomorrow out the way, and then think about what you can do. I guess as you have police involvement in the first incident then you will have a reasonable chance of success. Maybe some subtle word of mouth warnings about the breeders might not go amiss either.

Thinking of you for tomorrow.
 
Also don't usually post if it has already been said but I know how hard this decision is. You have 144 responses here, all of which support your decision. This from posters with widely varying views on PTS, welfare and horse-care. I think that speaks volumes.

Good luck OP!
 
Well done for making such a brave decision in the horses best interests. It does sound like something is wrong in his head with the eyes rolling back thing, some sort of seizure maybe :(

Edited to add a very quick google mentioned brain tumor and the eye rolling in same article, he is very lucky to have someone to do the right thing by him
 
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A friend in my village lost her dear mare to colic and strangely that blind bolted before it collapsed. The vet put it down the immense pain from a torsion in the large intestine. So intense pain from something like a brain tunour could well be the reason.
Good vibes and hugs to you DA xxx
 
mia can you send me the link on that please?

and yes, i did have police involvement in the first incident they were lovely and drove me home when they saw how bad i was limping and that i was 5.5 miles from home. so they should have a record. im going to deal with him now, then think about what do do later.
 
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