Update on Lari

[Dexter]

Yes I get what you are saying completely. But he said that there are horses that you can treat to that you are 100% sure they are pain free and then they still play up so that was what he was suggesting might be the case with Lari as he's seen it with other horses.

For clarity he's had his neck x-rayed when he pulled back with me and set off what we think was his existing SI prior to me owning him. He showed arthritic changes in the neck which may or may not be relevant but were certainly there prior to me buying him despite my vet at PRACTICE ONE'S best effort to convince me the changes had occurred in 11 days.

PRACTICE TWO found KS in his back which may or may not have been relevant. This was prior to me purchasing him. His back has been medicated twice. His SI has been medicated twice, and his coffin joints once, arthritic changes prior to me owning him. He hasn't had treatment on any legs other than his hocks medicating twice. He's had a lot of remedial style farriery for his split in his hoof caused prior to me owning him.

The vet strongly thinks he has PSD and this was prior to me owning him. We haven't gone down the investigative route because to be perfectly fair to the vet, when he suggested doing this and if positive having the operation back in April I was sending him to sales livery (with disclosure) and didn't want to pursue a potential operation.

I still can't believe I can't get any comeback on the sale of this horse YCBM but vet one didn't want to know when I suggested that I hadn't been responsible for causing his SI and hind limb lameness. This was before we knew anything about all the other issues that only came to light with vet two.

Be VERY careful stating it was prior injuries when you are using insurance to pay for the vet. There was a post on here a few years ago from someone who had trouble with an insurance company based on posts on here. It might have been Michen. It was definitely someone on here reporting back to the insurance company anyway.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Except that your vet appears to be saying that Lari should be able to be ridden, because he isn't feeling any pain. I would want a vet who believes the horse, even if all he could do is presçribe bute.

 

[Birker2020]

Except that your vet appears to be saying that Lari should be able to be ridden, because he isn't feeling any pain. I would want a vet who believes the horse, even if all he could do is presçribe bute.

If the horse is in pain there is no point masking it with bute. And bute won't touch SI pain anyway.

If he continues to object after having the SI and the hocks done a second time then I'm pretty certain there are three reasons why.

Reason 1) The steroids haven't worked, Reason 2) The issue is elsewhere like his suspensories or his neck, Reason 3) He doesn't want to work.

My best guess would be 1) or 2).

 

[ycbm]

Be VERY careful stating it was prior injuries when you are using insurance to pay for the vet. There was a post on here a few years ago from someone who had trouble with an insurance company based on posts on here. It might have been Michen. It was definitely someone on here reporting back to the insurance company anyway.

This is good advice but it was no HHO snitch. Someone who works for an insurance company said the big ones pay people to trawl the Internet looking for social media stuff that will invalidate a claim.
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[Dexter]

This is good advice but it was no HHO snitch. Someone who works for an insurance company said the big ones pay people to trawl the Internet looking for social media stuff that will invalidate a claim.
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I dont know if it makes me feel better or not. But I'd be very careful what I said if I needed to use insurance to pay vets fees. They will wiggle out of paying anyway they can

 

[ycbm]

I dont know if it makes me feel better or not. But I'd be very careful what I said if I needed to use insurance to pay vets fees. They will wiggle out of paying anyway they can

They will indeed, but they also have no legal obligation to pay for injuries which existed before the insurance was taken out, and one of the reasons that insurance is so expensive is because of how much that happens.
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[Goldenstar]

The horse has had treatment for all four legs, his back, his SI joint and his neck (?), is suspected of PSD and the vet still says it's psychological? I despair for the poor horses in the care of these vets!
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So do I it it’s beyond belief .

 

[Michen]

This is good advice but it was no HHO snitch. Someone who works for an insurance company said the big ones pay people to trawl the Internet looking for social media stuff that will invalidate a claim.
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It was me! Horrible company. I took them to the ombusdman and actually won last week

 

[ycbm]

It was me! Horrible company. I took them to the ombusdman and actually won last week

Congratulations! Well done for fighting it, it was very unfair in your case.
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[scats]

Birker, sorry if I’ve missed something but have they investigated the PSD? I hate to harp on about it but I have a horse who would stand up if asked to trot or canter, end up in a right lather and throw herself on the floor of the stable once she got back.
The only physical problem they could find after intensive investigations (bone scan, X-rays, ultrasound, ovary scan etc) was the mildest PSD that the head vet had ever seen on a scan, because most horses wouldn’t present with any symptoms with it that mild.
Twelve months off and a careful rehab over the next 2 years and I now have a horse who hacks and does walk and trot schooling and polework as happy as anything. I had a load of professionals tell me it was in her head prior to this discovery, and even the vets were thinking it was psychological before I pushed for the suspensory scan.
I’m confused as to why they wouldn’t consider scanning the suspensories if they haven’t already?

 

[Michen]

Congratulations! Well done for fighting it, it was very unfair in your case.
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They were awful as well. Tried to discredit my vet. Said he wasn't impartial because obviously he'd want me the bill to be paid. The irony- I'd paid my bill straight away as I always do! Such an unprofessional company.

Funnily enough the underwriters who were so unprofessional are in the same office building as one of my companies london offices. I mentally stick two fingers up at them every time

Sorry to hijak OP but please do make sure you are careful.

 

[Bellaboo18]

Birker, sorry if I’ve missed something but have they investigated the PSD? I hate to harp on about it but I have a horse who would stand up if asked to trot or canter, end up in a right lather and throw herself on the floor of the stable once she got back.
The only physical problem they could find after intensive investigations (bone scan, X-rays, ultrasound, ovary scan etc) was the mildest PSD that the head vet had ever seen on a scan, because most horses wouldn’t present with any symptoms with it that mild.
Twelve months off and a careful rehab over the next 2 years and I now have a horse who hacks and does walk and trot schooling and polework as happy as anything. I had a load of professionals tell me it was in her head prior to this discovery, and even the vets were thinking it was psychological before I pushed for the suspensory scan.
I’m confused as to why they wouldn’t consider scanning the suspensories if they haven’t already?

From experience, the pain from psd must be pretty horrific. The surgery took my mare from a pts case to a very happy, healthy person. She was never lame but extremely uncomfortable *all* over from not putting weight on her hinds.