Update!!

[Bethcyrilandchina]

I have not ignored any of your advice about callingt the vet ! We were almost certain to do it that night but i just wanted some advice on what are the symetoms of laminitis. And NO i am not trying to kill my horse!! I would never dream of mistreating him. And i had given him the bute-X and he seemed much better and was able to walk so his pain did go down a ton. We had to put him in the trailer and drive him to the stables which was a bit risky and we had the vet out and he didnt even know if it was laminitis! But he has just gave us a painkiller and some medication to help circulate the blood if it is laminitis. I hope none of you thunk i am mistreating my horse in any way coz i would never do a thing. Please hope you understand As i was extreamly shocked with some of your comments

 

[Bethcyrilandchina]

I have not ignored any advice! I hvent replied because i hve been with my horse. The vet came last night and doesnt even know if it is laminitis! He said he has very sore front feet.

 

[Bethcyrilandchina]

After having bute-X he was able to walk and load the trailer! (to get to his stable)

 

[Bethcyrilandchina]

I take that very offencenly as i have had horses for 10 years and was just asking what the othwer symtoms of laminitis is! And the vet came out and said it wasnt too late and that he doesnt even know if it is laminitis - he just said he has very sore front feet as laminitis in a horse like him is VERY rare!

 

[samstar]

thankyou for giving us an update and hope your horse gets well soon now you've had the vet out

 

[Bethcyrilandchina]

After giving him bute-X he was able to walk, load trailer and trot for the vet!!!

 

[Bethcyrilandchina]

If you dont ave anything nice to say then dont post!! I know when to call the vet and thats what we did and he didnt evenn know if it laminitis or not ! My horse is being taken care of so please dont be uneccesary.

 

[Ellies_mum2]

Glad you got the vet out.

How is your horse this morning?

 

[f_s_]

I am really glad that you got the vet to your horse.

I hope that he is on the mend and feels better soon ((((vibes))).

My comments were not to offend you in any way, if someone does not know what the signs of laminitis is then I was trying to tell you that a vet is the only solution , and that a herbal painkiller (IMO) would not suffice.

And, just to make myself absolutely clear here, horses of all shapes and sizes get laminitis, not just round fat ponies! It may be rare (whatever that means) but it is not impossible for TB's to have it, or any other type for that matter. Also laminitis is not just caused by eating too much grass, other factors can bring on attacks, therefore all horse and pony owners should be aware of this awful, crippling and killing disease.

I wish you all the luck with your horse, and hope he recovers very quickly.

 

[Taboo1968]

Quite frankly, given how you came over in your posts, you deserved all the comments that were made, as it was your total ignorance regarding the severity of the situation that caused all these things to be said....... Bute X is not nearly half as good as the REAL thing..... and quite frankly, probably half of this forum would not believe that it worked that quickly to enable your horse to walk, load etc etc.... Laminitis in a horse like yours is NOT RARE.... there are horses all over the country who suffer from Lami, its not just a small fat pony thing......

If you found your horse lilke that in the morning, you naturally would have called the vet there and then, even if only for advice, I certainly wouldn't wait, ask for advice on an online forum and then call the vet out later that day after approx 50 people had been screaming (via the forum) to call the vet!

Sorry if this comes across as harsh, but your horse had to suffer for a few hours whilst you messed about..... that is nothing more than sheer ignorance and neglect on your part, and then you have the cheek to say you take offence as to what has been said? Well I just hope for your sake that your horse hasn't taken offence at what happened to him/her..... because if I was your horse, I would be lining you up for a swift kick up the arse!

Maybe I got out the wrong side of the bed this morning, as I am not normally so forthright, and I'm sorry if the truth hurts!

 

[piebaldsparkle]

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If you dont ave anything nice to say then dont post!! I know when to call the vet and thats what we did and he didnt evenn know if it laminitis or not ! My horse is being taken care of so please dont be uneccesary.

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Clearly you don't esle you wouldn't have left the horse lame from Friday, then waited till Saturday night to call the vet. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would have called the vet when they found it worst on the Saturday (assuming they hadn't called the vet on the Friday).

From you description most asummed he wither had lami or lymphangitis (sp) - both extremely painly and potentially life threatening. SO no I don't think anyone was unreasonable for telling you to get a vet and thinking you were quite ignorant/clueless.

Anyway I'm glad you got the vet and hope your horse has improved this morning.

Please keep us updated as I'm sure everyone wishes you and your horse well.

 

[Kenzo]

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he just said he has very sore front feet as laminitis in a horse like him is VERY rare!

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A TB down at a local yard who belongs to a friend was diagnosed with lami last week, he's a huge 17.2 TB and to be honest not an ounce of fat on him, he's very lean indeed and that last horse you'd expect to get it.

The vet did actually say that there is a hell of lot more horses, TB's like him getting laminitis (caused by the grass) this year and there were quite a lot last year, compaired to previous years, they have put it down to the chemicals in the lastest tillage/fertilzier that is now being used on pasture....so the vet says anyway.

It does concern me that the vet didnt know if it was lami though, usually they can either say yes it is or no and tell you what it is, but perhaps in your case its not lami and something completely different.

I do hope your horse picks up quickly and makes a full recovery.

 

[dozzie]

Hopefully your horse will be ok!

Next time you have a worry though I would advise you to ring the vet first before you ask on the forum! I sometimes run things by my vet over the phone if I am not sure about symptoms/best treatment/what else to look out for.

I try not to make a habit of it but if i am not sure whether to get the vet I will ring and ask the vet, not the forum.

 

[f_s_]

I do hope that this was a specific equine vet and not a vet from a small animal practice!!!!!

 

[Kenzo]

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I do hope that this was a specific equine vet and not a vet from a small animal practice!!!!!

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was that a QR to OP or to me

If to me then no it was not a small animal vet, I agree that is very good point though,.

To the OP, did the vet question if (if shod that is) if shoes should be taken off?

 

[MrsMozart]

As others have said, it isn't rare for horses to get lammi. Look at the Laminitis Trust site http://www.laminitis.org/

The usual symptoms of lammi are: horse not keen to move; rocked back onto the heels of his feet/foot; it can affect one or more feet; the digital pulse is raised (rapid); the sole of the foot is usually tender.

It can come on very, very quickly (as we found out last year!).

Stabled on deep bedding, such as shavings, is the usual recommendation, certainly in the begining. Little Lad was on box rest for three months - he wasn't allowed out of his stable at all other than to have x-rays on his feet.

Basically the litte bits in the feet, the laminae, hold the bone structure together. If they are damaged, the bone structure, i.e. the pedal bone, rotates downwards and if untreated/treated too late, it goes out through the sole of the foot.

All crossed that whatever it is can be fixed.

 

[AmyMay]

I had an interesting one the other day. Thumper came in having knocked himself in front. There was a small cut, but nothing else to indicate a real problem. No swelling or heat.

Sat on him for the saddler etc. Again nothing amiss. However, friend did query if he was sound. Trotted him up - couldn't see a flamin thing.

Anyway decided that as the cut, although not deep, was where it was the vet should be summoned.

The cut was far deeper than I thought, the tendon was severely bruised - and by the time the vet came his leg was huge.

So I guess my point is - you can just never be too careful. If in doubt - call the vet. And never, ever bute prior to arrival of the vet.

I hope your horse makes a full recovery from whatever the problem is.

And for a future point of reference - never take advice from someone who wants to sell you something (your tack shop).

 

[f_s_]

Apologies Kenzo it was a QR

Not aimed at you, just questioning whether when she called the vet out, was it just a vet, or a specialised vet?

You would be surprised at the number of people who call out small animal practice vets for their horses!! As a vet I'm sure they have some knowledge, but, it's like asking the eye surgeon to operate on your foot!!!!

 

[Slinkyunicorn]

I am pleased you managed to get him into his stable. If it turns out to be lami you will have absolutely down the right thing for him. As others have said it is not just fat native and ponys that get - it is more and more common in all types these days sadly. On this yard alone we have a pony, my cob, a 15hh TB and a 16.3hh ISH who all have/had lami.

Hope your vet comes back out in the daylight for another look and gets you and horse a proper diagnosis so you can manage him properly.

I for one would not want any horse to suffer with the sort of pain my girl had - 3 hours to get in from her field (about 300yards), had to be nerve blocked and then was on box reat from April until Sept - didn't leave for anything - Xrays, farrier etc were all done in her stable.

Please let us know how he gets on. You may have been upset by some of the comments made last night but please understand that those of us who have horses who suffer from lami really do understand how serious it is and the importance of treating it quickly and correctly - there are many myths abiut lami that even the best trained vets still believe.

 

[brighteyes]

Frankly, I think the posters responding to you kept their tongues in check, considering the symptoms you described. There have been a lot of insincere people (OK, Trolls) coming on here posting very unlikely scenarios indeed, just to stir up emotions and cause trouble. But for the fact you have 150 odd posts (I haven't viewed all your previous ones) I'm guessing that so far, you haven't been labelled as a 'suspect' forum member.

If you have ANY concern at all regarding the health of your horse, the FIRST thing is call the vet IMMEDIATELY and either describe the symptoms and request a visit, or get THE VET'S opinion. Whilst waiting for him to arrive, if your circumstances permit and the horse does not require your attention/presence come on here and ask if anyone has ever had anything similar.

We are not (mostly!) vets but might have some helpful suggestions or anecdotes regarding what to expect or how things turned out. But only after a vet has been summoned!

 

[sleepingdragon10]

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- he just said he has very sore front feet as laminitis in a horse like him is VERY rare!

[/ QUOTE ] it is not very rare at all! And bute x is no replacement for a real painkiller...bute x takes time to get into the system...dear lord.

 

[Ranyhyn]

Leave the horse where it is, let it rot.

What do we know? What will a vet know? You seem to be doing well yourself, Im sure global herbs is the cure for most medical emergencies.

Next time I drive past an RTA I'll chuck some paracetamol at the victims and tell them not to bother with A and E.

Idiot.

 

[amycov]

LOL Kitsune.

But on a more serious note I'm glad that you did call the vet. But remember never to hesitate again in a situation like that. If in doubt, (even the slightest doubt!) then call an equine vet. You owe it to your horse.

I hope he gets well soon.

 

[MagicMelon]

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And the vet came out and said it wasnt too late and that he doesnt even know if it is laminitis - he just said he has very sore front feet as laminitis in a horse like him is VERY rare!

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Id get a new vet if I were you. A vet who doesnt even know if its laminitis or not?! And a vet who says laminitis is very rare in ANY horse is a muppet!! ANY horse, even TB's etc. can get laminitis - its not just brought on my grass in fat horses, it can also be caused by concusssion amongst other things. It worries me that he doesn't seem to know much!

WIth regards to Bute-X, I really really doubt this worked immediately. Anything herbal takes a while to "kick in"... as in a few days. If your horse does have lami or even any sort of bad pain then Id get some proper Bute.

 

[Linz75]

Having read the posts regarding your horse, they possibly did sound quite harsh - but they also screamed of genuine concern!!

Please don't think that it is VERY rare for a TB to get laminitis - I lost my skinny 15.3hh TB gelding to laminitis last year......

 

[JM07]

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who post on here to show their sheer lack of common horse sense...it's very worrying.

A horse that is grounded because of severe pain...and you need to come on here ans ASK for advice..

TBH you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

And then you get the hump at others for "having a go".

may i suggest you get yourself along to your nearest BHS approved centre and sign yourself up for a basic horsemanship course...because you seriously need to learn the basics.

 

[Bethcyrilandchina]

Actually i never said he was lame on friday!! He had a slightly swollen front leg! and was moving about as normal - so get your facts right before you post.

 

[AmyMay]

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Id get a new vet if I were you. A vet who doesnt even know if its laminitis or not?!

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To be fair depending on what the symptoms are there are ocassions when an initial inspection can't determine whether it is laminitis or not. But if there is the slightest concern that it is - then the course of action is to assume that it is and treat accordingly.

In the immediate you ensure that the animal is given pain relief to include anti-inflamatories and also putting down a deep shavings bed to support the foot - and importantly the frog.

 

[Ranyhyn]

This must be a joke?

Please tell me its a joke, someone ...

 

[AmyMay]

I think you should back off kitsune.