Very sad advert

Dons tin hat,,, but,,, Natalie has sice posted that she has a horse that was ill treated, and now doing well, I have to accept that,

Assuming the filly still looks like that, would being put in a field with good food and water be the worst outcome in the world ?

I understand that the ' dealers' rely on people taking pity, but, don't the babies deserve a chance? I am a hypocrit as would never ever buy from a puppy farm! But she has seen this filly, wants to help it, so her money, her choice :o
 
elderlycoupleindevon said:
This came from the Dragon Driving site, do you think he is the skanky dregs? Mind you, I am not in my right mind.
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Hes beautiful. There are some nice horses on dragon driving.
 
Moomin1 said:
It may well be, and I certainly don't mean Natalie any offence, but she has admitted to being a COMPLETE novice on her posts - and you can see it a mile off - she has been pottering around on a lame horse wondering what it wrong with it and if she should mention it to the vet?! That is where it gets worrying people taking on horses which more than likely will need a lot of knowledge and experience to raise. People simply shouldn't have horses if they can't recognise basic ailments. Sorry, like I say this is just my opinion, and I think it's lovely Natalie is thinking of doing what she is doing but I disagree with it being a good thing.
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I'd agree with Moomin1 too I'm afraid.
 
Moomin1 said:
My mare has just turned 20 in January and ive only had her for 4 months. Ive noticed when im bringing her down from the field it seems like she trips up or forgets to pick her feet up, but people have noticed when im riding her and do a trot she doesn't pick her front left leg up properly and kind of hops on it, what is going on with her? We didn't really get on when i first got her because she was mistreated but just when i feel like we are bonding there is something wrong with her people on the yard think its called navicular or something, ive never heard of this before because im a complete novice as you can probably tell, what do you think is wrong with my mare? she is insured and the vet is coming out on wednesday to give her her jabs and do her teeth, do i mention it to them? what does it sound like to you? im worrying!
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And this, from Natalie's recent thread she posted, is precisely why I feel she shouldn't be 'rescuing' any more horses. Spontaneous buyer muchly. She doesn't seem to recognise what lameness is, again the horse is a 'rescue' which she has only had 4 months, and she has never heard of navicular because she is a complete novice, and even more worrying she is questioning whether she should mention this lameness or 'navicular' to the vet?!
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oh lord wheres a face-palm emoticon when you need one:(
sorry to use you as an example natalie but you've kind of put yourself in the firing line, You are the exact type of person these type of dealers are aiming at, young, inexperienced and impulsive!
you may think you are doing the right thing and i'm sure you do have the best interests of Tilly at heart but are you really capable of taking on a young filly who may or may not have been handled, you couldn't cope with the unbroken/lead rein pony you got from the sales so how will tilly be any different?:confused:
 
Moomin1 said:
And this, from Natalie's recent thread she posted, is precisely why I feel she shouldn't be 'rescuing' any more horses. Spontaneous buyer muchly. She doesn't seem to recognise what lameness is, again the horse is a 'rescue' which she has only had 4 months, and she has never heard of navicular because she is a complete novice, and even more worrying she is questioning whether she should mention this lameness or 'navicular' to the vet?!
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But...in all fairness... She had acquired an 'oldie', insured the horse, was having it vaccinated, dentistry aspects checked and, realising her limitations of knowledge was genuinely asking for suggestions/advice... There's a lot of 'experienced' horse owners who do far less...

So she wears her heart on her sleeve a little - it's not always such a bad thing... With the right advice or guidance, she should manage to take care of a baby... :)
 
Ladydragon said:
But...in all fairness... She had acquired an 'oldie', insured the horse, was having it vaccinated, dentistry aspects checked and, realising her limitations of knowledge was genuinely asking for suggestions/advice... There's a lot of 'experienced' horse owners who do far less...

So she wears her heart on her sleeve a little - it's not always such a bad thing... With the right advice or guidance, she should manage to take care of a baby... :)
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Without wishing to sound heartless... oldie is 1 thing, it will be looked after and eventually, in not so distant future it will snuff it, right?
Taking on a weanling ''for life'' is a completely different story, in hands of well meaning, novicey with some help, it has little chance of an allround education it will need to have a chance in hell of a decent home in future.
 
Ladydragon said:
But...in all fairness... She had acquired an 'oldie', insured the horse, was having it vaccinated, dentistry aspects checked and, realising her limitations of knowledge was genuinely asking for suggestions/advice... There's a lot of 'experienced' horse owners who do far less...

So she wears her heart on her sleeve a little - it's not always such a bad thing... With the right advice or guidance, she should manage to take care of a baby... :)
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Possible yes, although it begs the question, if these 'experienced' horse owners had mentioned navicular to her, why she was still trotting it about and wondering whether she should mention it to a vet. Either the advice wasn't followed, or they weren't direct enough/knowledgeable enough/bothered enough to ensure she got a vet out straight away.

I don't doubt for one minute that she is a kind hearted person who has the best intentions, but unfortunately, in my experience, that just doesn't cut it when owning horses.
 
Ladydragon said:
But...in all fairness... She had acquired an 'oldie', insured the horse, was having it vaccinated, dentistry aspects checked and, realising her limitations of knowledge was genuinely asking for suggestions/advice... There's a lot of 'experienced' horse owners who do far less...

So she wears her heart on her sleeve a little - it's not always such a bad thing... With the right advice or guidance, she should manage to take care of a baby... :)
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I think so too , but it may break her heart and cost her a fortune which is why as a hard hearted oldie I would not do so but a little bit of me would like too I have the space ,the experiance , and the resources but the road I walked to get here stops me but i won't condem Natalie was wanting to try if she a creditable plan for the horse..
 
Natalie, I apologise for when you read this you will most likely be upset/offended etc, that is not my intention at all. As I say, you are probably a lovely person, but if you haven't already done so, I would think twice about buying Tilly. If you really are wanting to find her a home rather than letting the authorities deal with it, then please find someone more experienced than yourself in bringing up youngsters.
 
I often look at Dragon Driving because there are some nice types on there, but there are an awful lot of animals that, if they were mine, I would be ashamed to show their picture in a public place. There are a fair few very skinny looking youngsters, especially in the 'under £1000' section. No one can buy them all, and there will always be another to take their place. I just wish people would stop breeding weedy animals with appalling conformation that really have no future in life other than ending up with the meat man.
That was my rant for the evening!
 
I just hope that Natalie takes someone experienced with her to look at the filly - if she can't recognise lameness would she be able to spot strangles, etc. I also hopes she gets to look at the other animals on the yard to see if they are healthy. And finally, if she buys the filly, I hope her YO insists on putting it in quarantine until it can be checked over by a vet.

If she does buy then good luck to her - she is braver than me to take on a 6 month old filly - who is going to turn into a very strong young mare very soon. Just hope she has lots of experienced help, and we don't see it advertised again for sale very soon.
 
Ibblebibble said:
you couldn't cope with the unbroken/lead rein pony you got from the sales so how will tilly be any different?:confused:
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Shoot me now... I bought a lead rein/first pony... Except although he's been great on the lead rein, now my daughter is ready to move of it, he's is more of a 2nd/games pony... a) I'm not small enough to reschool him and b) daughter isn't old enough or accomplished enough to ride him off lead rein... I'm having to take advice from someone more experienced and doing some work with him to determine if he can be schooled into being suitable or need to be sold and a more suitable pony purchased...

If discovering that the horse was not as described or unsuitable in practice was the yardstick by which to measure the appropriate horse owning public - this forum would be a lot emptier of the "what do I do" threads and far fewer people would own them... I guess that wouldn't be a bad thing to some people who believe the only appropriate horse owners are those who came out of the womb fitted with riding boots...

martlin said:
Without wishing to sound heartless... oldie is 1 thing, it will be looked after and eventually, in not so distant future it will snuff it, right?
Taking on a weanling ''for life'' is a completely different story, in hands of well meaning, novicey with some help, it has little chance of an allround education it will need to have a chance in hell of a decent home in future.
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That is heartless... The 20yr old could pootle along as a ridden for another 15yrs or so... I think expecting 'for life' for a youngster (or any animal really) is tough even if the intent is there originally... People's circumstances can change drastically even if they have the best put rescue plan in place... If she bought it, brought it on with guidance to be a chirpy little healthy youngster, maybe had it professionally broken and at some point needed to sell it to a good home, would that be a bad thing? People do it all the time...

Moomin1 said:
Possible yes, although it begs the question, if these 'experienced' horse owners had mentioned navicular to her, why she was still trotting it about and wondering whether she should mention it to a vet. Either the advice wasn't followed, or they weren't direct enough/knowledgeable enough/bothered enough to ensure she got a vet out straight away.

I don't doubt for one minute that she is a kind hearted person who has the best intentions, but unfortunately, in my experience, that just doesn't cut it when owning horses.
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I don't know the time span...wasn't there during any conversations...can't really comment on the verbal advice given... Other than she did ask for advice on here and had done some things more adequately than many others - my horse owning world is small but I can still rattle off 'horsey families' who don't vaccinate and would rather poke needles in their eyes than have regular dental checks... Knowledge is a great thing and yes, I agree, it would be a perfect world if every owner knew the basics of care, health, diet, ailments etc before buying even a hamster... But being realistic, many fall short of that or learn as they go along... That doesn't mean that they won't or can't learn - or acknowledge when they're out of their depth...

Goldenstar said:
I think so too , but it may break her heart and cost her a fortune which is why as a hard hearted oldie I would not do so but a little bit of me would like too I have the space ,the experiance , and the resources but the road I walked to get here stops me but i won't condem Natalie was wanting to try if she a creditable plan for the horse..
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I agree...but I guess that's a risk with having animals, families or trying 'to do the right thing' full stop sometimes... I had our first weanling last year and would be considered a 'novice owner'... The vet, dentist and farrier find him a doddle to work with and we've managed not to kill/sour him yet... He's also been a total joy to have around and brings a lot of laughter - often much needed as a hard hearted oldie myself...:)
 
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The thing that strikes me more, is that filly doesn't look 6 months. She looks like a very poor yearling. I can't put my finger on it, but she doesn't look 'foaly' at all!!
Just hope that someone nice and kind can care for this poor soul.
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My sentiments exactly. She does not look like a 6month old to me but closer to a yearling, she looks very poor and unloved, poor young lady, I expect she will grow into a nice looking mare, hope someone can help her

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What s complete load of rubbish, there are some absolutely stunning horses on there....
 
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Ladydragon said:
Shoot me now... I bought a lead rein/first pony... Except although he's been great on the lead rein, now my daughter is ready to move of it, he's is more of a 2nd/games pony... a) I'm not small enough to reschool him and b) daughter isn't old enough or accomplished enough to ride him off lead rein... I'm having to take advice from someone more experienced and doing some work with him to determine if he can be schooled into being suitable or need to be sold and a more suitable pony purchased...

If discovering that the horse was not as described or unsuitable in practice was the yardstick by which to measure the appropriate horse owning public - this forum would be a lot emptier of the "what do I do" threads and far fewer people would own them... I guess that wouldn't be a bad thing to some people who believe the only appropriate horse owners are those who came out of the womb fitted with riding boots...



That is heartless... The 20yr old could pootle along as a ridden for another 15yrs or so... I think expecting 'for life' for a youngster (or any animal really) is tough even if the intent is there originally... People's circumstances can change drastically even if they have the best put rescue plan in place... If she bought it, brought it on with guidance to be a chirpy little healthy youngster, maybe had it professionally broken and at some point needed to sell it to a good home, would that be a bad thing? People do it all the time...



I don't know the time span...wasn't there during any conversations...can't really comment on the verbal advice given... Other than she did ask for advice on here and had done some things more adequately than many others - my horse owning world is small but I can still rattle off 'horsey families' who don't vaccinate and would rather poke needles in their eyes than have regular dental checks... Knowledge is a great thing and yes, I agree, it would be a perfect world if every owner knew the basics of care, health, diet, ailments etc before buying even a hamster... But being realistic, many fall short of that or learn as they go along... That doesn't mean that they won't or can't learn - or acknowledge when they're out of their depth...



I agree...but I guess that's a risk with having animals, families or trying 'to do the right thing' full stop sometimes... I had our first weanling last year and would be considered a 'novice owner'... The vet, dentist and farrier find him a doddle to work with and we've managed not to kill/sour him yet... He's also been a total joy to have around and brings a lot of laughter - often much needed as a hard hearted oldie myself...:)
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There's being 'novice' and then there's not being able to identify when you are riding a lame horse. The latter is worrying for any horse owner. Even more worrying that she was told what it could well be and yet still questioned whether it warranted a vet. I would class myself as a novice corn snake owner, having never had snakes or even liked them much before getting two in the past couple of years - yet I would still be able to identify when something isn't right - and I wouldn't even question whether I should take them to a vet - I would just do it out of noticing that something is not right.

As I said earlier - very well meaning, and sounds a lovely person, but no good is to be had from owning horses (particularly 'rescue') when you haven't got the most basic of knowledge which are necessary to ensure the horse doesn't suffer.

I would have classed myself as novice at lunging properly before I got my current horse - because my previous one wouldn't lunge safely. I taught myself through watching other people, but that is not likely in the grand scheme of things (unless of course I was thrashing her around in circles for hours on end) to cause her suffering. Not being able to identify that something is wrong and you shouldn't be riding when your horse is 'hopping' with 'something called navicular' is no joke.:(
 
Ladydragon said:
That is heartless... The 20yr old could pootle along as a ridden for another 15yrs or so... I think expecting 'for life' for a youngster (or any animal really) is tough even if the intent is there originally... People's circumstances can change drastically even if they have the best put rescue plan in place... If she bought it, brought it on with guidance to be a chirpy little healthy youngster, maybe had it professionally broken and at some point needed to sell it to a good home, would that be a bad thing? People do it all the time...
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Yes, the 20 year old could live another 15 years or so, but it already had the education, is not going anywhere I presume and doesn't require bringing on. And there is a finite amount of time to the commitment.
With the youngster, it a very rocky road indeed, it isn't easy, although certainly not rocket science. If you leave out the viability of a poorly bred, poorly put together, worm ridden scrap (oops, heartless again :o:D), it still leaves the girl with masses, absolute masses of work and money to spend, for what? It just spells out disaster to me, but maybe I'm a grumpy, cynical sod, that's all.
And BTW, buying that pony certainly is not rescuing.
 
martlin said:
Yes, the 20 year old could live another 15 years or so, but it already had the education, is not going anywhere I presume and doesn't require bringing on. And there is a finite amount of time to the commitment.
With the youngster, it a very rocky road indeed, it isn't easy, although certainly not rocket science. If you leave out the viability of a poorly bred, poorly put together, worm ridden scrap (oops, heartless again :o:D), it still leaves the girl with masses, absolute masses of work and money to spend, for what? It just spells out disaster to me, but maybe I'm a grumpy, cynical sod, that's all.
And BTW, buying that pony certainly is not rescuing.
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I agree with your points here (although maybe worded slightly harshly in areas!!! :D;) ). There is no comparison from a novice (or COMPLETE novice in her own words) from taking a 20yr horse on than taking a weanling on. And what Natalie feels was a 'difficult' case with her 20 year old may well be nothing of the sort to many experienced people. Of course, all speculation and me just thinking out allowed.
 
martlin said:
Yes, the 20 year old could live another 15 years or so, but it already had the education, is not going anywhere I presume and doesn't require bringing on. And there is a finite amount of time to the commitment.
With the youngster, it a very rocky road indeed, it isn't easy, although certainly not rocket science. If you leave out the viability of a poorly bred, poorly put together, worm ridden scrap (oops, heartless again :o:D), it still leaves the girl with masses, absolute masses of work and money to spend, for what? It just spells out disaster to me, but maybe I'm a grumpy, cynical sod, that's all.
And BTW, buying that pony certainly is not rescuing.
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Agree with this. I would even go as far as to say that buying ponies like this is 'funding the mistreatment of horses' - that's their business, and by buying ponies like this, you're keeping this man and people like him, in business.

I don't think this story is going to have a happy ending :(
 
martlin said:
Yes, the 20 year old could live another 15 years or so, but it already had the education, is not going anywhere I presume and doesn't require bringing on. And there is a finite amount of time to the commitment.
With the youngster, it a very rocky road indeed, it isn't easy, although certainly not rocket science. If you leave out the viability of a poorly bred, poorly put together, worm ridden scrap (oops, heartless again :o:D), it still leaves the girl with masses, absolute masses of work and money to spend, for what? It just spells out disaster to me, but maybe I'm a grumpy, cynical sod, that's all.
And BTW, buying that pony certainly is not rescuing.
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Well we are grumpy cynical sods , and you know I have seen worse sows ears turn into silk purses and I just don't think you can assume Natalie wont raise to the task I feel it's more likely it be Natalie that does the suffering not the filly .
There's no way that filly is a rescue poor yes a rescue no and those who say leave it to the authorities from what I have seen from the pictures it's poor not a welfare case I was curious enough to track down some fresian foals online earlier I am amazed if it's six months old but you never know.
 
Goldenstar said:
Well we are grumpy cynical sods , and you know I have seen worse sows ears turn into silk purses and I just don't think you can assume Natalie wont raise to the task I feel it's more likely it be Natalie that does the suffering not the filly .
There's no way that filly is a rescue poor yes a rescue no and those who say leave it to the authorities from what I have seen from the pictures it's poor not a welfare case I was curious enough to track down some fresian foals online earlier I am amazed if it's six months old but you never know.
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It may not be a welfare case, but it may well be a welfare notice that is needed. I personally don't think it looks so horrendous at all - but it doesn't look great by any means. I think a visit from the authorities wouldn't go amiss to have a look over the stock.
 
s'teamed, you are talking rubbish and showing yourself to be ignorant and snobby....my horse is off there, and was also on many other sites.....you haven't seen him, so you can't assume that you know what he is like..... but, believe me, he's stunning.
 
Moomin1 said:
It may not be a welfare case, but it may well be a welfare notice that is needed. I personally don't think it looks so horrendous at all - but it doesn't look great by any means. I think a visit from the authorities wouldn't go amiss to have a look over the stock.
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I agree, but it wouldn't surprise me if you don't get to even see the premises, he could just turn up with it in a trailer in the pub car park!
 
Think so, looks like a sore? He's skinny too :( see his spine.

Oddly his seller has many others who look really well.
 
Natalieshort said:
Rhino, im sick of repeating myself just read my other comments again, your getting boring now. I don't have to explain myself to you or anybody! It is non of your business! And no it isn't "poor pony" it is in a home which she needs since her ORIGINAL owner wasnt a show home and that's where she needs to be. But yet again, non of your business but keep stalking my threads if you want you need to get out more! Il let the supportive people know what happens in a seperate thread! :)
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^5 like this :D:D:D:D
 
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