Caol Ila
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She's proven she can tolerate stabling as well as any horse, but she will be out in that field 24/7 for the rest of the summer. I think she prefers that.
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shortstuff99
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That's brilliant news! She really is a gorgeous little filly.
Happy birthday to Gypsum!
Happy birthday to Gypsum!
Wishfilly
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So glad you have found a good set up for her!
And Happy Birthday to Gypsum. 28 is a very impressive age!
And Happy Birthday to Gypsum. 28 is a very impressive age!
HollyWoozle
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Great update! This field and herd look brilliant.
holeymoley
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Great news, glad you have found somewhere that looks like it will work out x
atropa
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She looks so settled, sounds like a much better set up for her. I'm so glad for you.
What did you say to the previous YO regarding the promised turnout that never materialised, how did she react?
What did you say to the previous YO regarding the promised turnout that never materialised, how did she react?
Caol Ila
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The YO talked farmer husband into letting her onto the field. She was getting out most days. But not when it was raining. Or really windy. And the YO sometimes brought her in after four or five hours if she was looking too much like a blimp, which was probably the right thing to do because that Ayrshire grass isn't great for a little PRE. When I gave notice, I said that a space had opened up at a yard only 15 miles away from my flat and 10 miles away from my other horse. The quality of grazing north of the city is generally a lot more meh than Ayrshire and Lanarkshire, which is ideal for her (but has been a headache with Gypsum).
atropa
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Thats good, glad it wasn't too stressful for you. If you ever need really poor grazing, hit up some of the North Lanarkshire areas closest to the M8. I found East Dunbartonshire grazing rich enough to cause multiple colics in my WB for the couple of years I was there, although my native poor doer did well on it.
Caol Ila
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She's out with some natives in a sparse field, so she should be fine. If she ever goes back to Gypsum's yard, the grazing there is also not brilliant, but good for fat natives and Spanish horses. Haven't seen anything with laminitis since I moved there, and they have a lot of natives and more turn-out time than most places. When I was at the yard in S. Lanarkshire, horses were getting laminitis left and right, but Gypsum looked brilliant.
SatansLittleHelper
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Brilliant news for you all...such a relief for you. She's a pretty girl ?
Caol Ila
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I empathize with the parents of teenagers everywhere.
She's gone from a sweet, willing wee lassie, eager to please, to a rebellious teenager who wants to sit in the basement with their mates smoking weed while exploring all the novel ways they can say f--k off. She likes her herd and being out 24/7, and has decided she doesn't want to be caught, be led, etc. Show her a headcollar, she acts like she's never seen one in her life. We've gone back to basics. Basic basics. Catch, feed, lead to the gate, feed, release. Catch again, with a treat. She looks like a Kiger mustang with the dun coat and long black mane, and she sure as hell is acting like one. Oh, well, at least she's pretty.
She's gone from a sweet, willing wee lassie, eager to please, to a rebellious teenager who wants to sit in the basement with their mates smoking weed while exploring all the novel ways they can say f--k off. She likes her herd and being out 24/7, and has decided she doesn't want to be caught, be led, etc. Show her a headcollar, she acts like she's never seen one in her life. We've gone back to basics. Basic basics. Catch, feed, lead to the gate, feed, release. Catch again, with a treat. She looks like a Kiger mustang with the dun coat and long black mane, and she sure as hell is acting like one. Oh, well, at least she's pretty.
Goldenstar
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I am glad everything is no well settled she is very nice is that a huge whorl on the bottom of her neck?
Caol Ila
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I could do without the teenage rebellion, but I guess that's youngsters. Yeah, it is a huge whorl.
TheMule
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I suspect you're just seeing the product of her having had an unsettled few weeks and not having had the right set up. Now she's back happy in her herd it makes sense that she would really just rather stay with them!
Personally I would just ease off expecting anything and just let her relax and realize she is there to stay
Personally I would just ease off expecting anything and just let her relax and realize she is there to stay
LadyGascoyne
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She’s 3 isn’t she, CI?
I agree she’s had a lot of change very quickly and had to deal with some unfortunate circumstances, so I’d probably also let her be.
After Mim moved around the same age, we basically did a leg, eye and ear count and left her to it for a while. I don’t think I even caught her although she would come up for a scratch and a pat.
What did work nicely for me is that I was doing the two other horses in the field with her so she would see me around but not bothering her. I’d do feet, groom, feed, tack up and even ride from the field and she’d watch in amazement and then want to be involved in everything I was doing.
Do you think you could arrange with the owners of the ponies that you could catch, lead, groom one of them?
I agree she’s had a lot of change very quickly and had to deal with some unfortunate circumstances, so I’d probably also let her be.
After Mim moved around the same age, we basically did a leg, eye and ear count and left her to it for a while. I don’t think I even caught her although she would come up for a scratch and a pat.
What did work nicely for me is that I was doing the two other horses in the field with her so she would see me around but not bothering her. I’d do feet, groom, feed, tack up and even ride from the field and she’d watch in amazement and then want to be involved in everything I was doing.
Do you think you could arrange with the owners of the ponies that you could catch, lead, groom one of them?
CanteringCarrot
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The process with young horses is almost never linear. You'll have the ups and downs, the forward and 2 steps back, but at this point, I'd just relax. A lot of horses act feral this time of year anyway because there is something about springtime. So don't take it personally. I'm sure when she is in her new home for awhile the novelty will wear off a bit and she'll slide right back into the routine of being handled.
I have a bay dun, who is more dun than bay in the summer and I refer to him as Sprit the wild stallion of the Cimarron when he has certain lapses of judgment
Along the same lines of what LadyGascoyne said, I've also heard of people just going out to the field and poo picking, reading a book, eating a sandwich, just doing something, and the horse sort of gets used to the person just being around and often their curiosity is piqued and they venture over to investigate. Especially if one decides to crinkle a food wrapper.
I have a bay dun, who is more dun than bay in the summer and I refer to him as Sprit the wild stallion of the Cimarron when he has certain lapses of judgment
Along the same lines of what LadyGascoyne said, I've also heard of people just going out to the field and poo picking, reading a book, eating a sandwich, just doing something, and the horse sort of gets used to the person just being around and often their curiosity is piqued and they venture over to investigate. Especially if one decides to crinkle a food wrapper.
Caol Ila
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Better today. Caught her without attempts to run away. She acted a bit dubious of the headcollar but let me put it on. Led her a short distance to feed bucket and took headcollar off. She chose to hang around me/the gate until I got into the car. Only wandered off when I started the engine. So, that's progress.
My main concern with the handling at the moment is her feet. I can't imagine it's great for development of joints/tendons etc. for her feet to be as long as they are. It would be a lot easier to relax if I could get that under control. The rest of it... manana.
But at least she's pretty.
My main concern with the handling at the moment is her feet. I can't imagine it's great for development of joints/tendons etc. for her feet to be as long as they are. It would be a lot easier to relax if I could get that under control. The rest of it... manana.
But at least she's pretty.
Rosemary28
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She is so beautiful CI
Errin Paddywack
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She is really coming on isn't she and what a lovely colour. My sister's old mare used to go a similar colour in the summer.
KEK
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Shes gorgeous. My fave colour and look at her dapples! Can't the vet sedate her to let the farrier do her feet which will then give you time to counter- condition and desens?
Caol Ila
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Yeah, she's definitely got past the fugly stage. Had a really good groundwork lesson with the YO today. YO knows her stuff and knows youngsters. She's really good. Farrier up tomorrow. I won't be there as Gypsum has the vet, but YO will probably handle it a lot better than me, so that's not a bad thing. I've left her with half a tube of Domesedan.
Cloball
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She is just gorgeous. Does she have nd1? (Non dun gene)
LadyGascoyne
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I’m sure she’ll be ok. Mimosa sat on the farrier the first time he did her back feet. We all lived, including the farrier. She’s great now and gives feet nicely.
Caol Ila
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I think so. Her passport, which has that info, is at the yard. But I vaguely remember seeing that. Not sure what the colour genetics in PREs means. I know mom is black, and dad carries the dun gene.
Cloball
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I think I am correct in saying there is both Dun and Nd1 in PREs but the Nd1 is more common. Nd1 gives the dun markings with little to no dilution, typically more of a normal light bay colour rather than the buff/yellower tones of a true dun.
https://www.spanishhorsebreedersuk.co.uk/spanish-horse-information.html/#colour
shortstuff99
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Yes true Dun is very rare in PREs and from what I can remember there is only a total of 5 in the whole studbook?
Caol Ila
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She's got the dorsal stripe. The breeder has photos of her as a yearling on her website, and I have photos from when I bought her in early March -- and she looked like a standard bay horse. I wrote 'bay' as the colour on the PPE stuff and the insurance paperwork. She's become so much lighter. The passport has the details of the colour genetics. Can write them down when I'm at the yard tomorrow if anyone is geeky enough to understand it.
Farrier visit went okay. Got fronts done, but hinds are still a thing. YO and I (mainly YO) chose to not push it, because traumatizing her would be unhelpful. The farrier is back next week, and I got Domesedan off the vet while she was seeing Gypsum, so we can give Hermosa the horsey valium and just get it done. Then we can continue to work on it, so hopefully we won't need more horsey valium in 6-8 weeks.
Farrier visit went okay. Got fronts done, but hinds are still a thing. YO and I (mainly YO) chose to not push it, because traumatizing her would be unhelpful. The farrier is back next week, and I got Domesedan off the vet while she was seeing Gypsum, so we can give Hermosa the horsey valium and just get it done. Then we can continue to work on it, so hopefully we won't need more horsey valium in 6-8 weeks.
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Caol Ila
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Had a lesson with a classical trainer today. These notes are more for me, but maybe they will be useful to anyone else who stumbles across the thread.
On a scale of Ghandi to my flatmate, who overcommits herself and then flaps around in a whirlwind of frantic stress, one must be near-as-dammit to Ghandi. Hermosa is far more sensitive and in tune to her handlers than my assorted quarter horses and draft crosses. Obviously, it's better to be zen-like with any horse, but the draft crosses never acted phased by a wee bit of flapping. Do I enjoy being around my flatmate when she's like that? No. Multiply that tenfold with something as sensitive as a little hotblood horse. And don't flap. Definitely don't flap when the filly plants. Just walk forward thinking very calm thoughts. Filly responds to this.
I had taught the filly reinback and turn on the forehand, but the trainer wanted me to use different cues for the latter than what I initially used. I'd trained turn-on-the-forehand it the way Richard Maxwell shows in his book. You bring the lead rope back and up to the withers and you move towards the horse's hip. That's how a lot of the western-style trainers in the States do it as well. This trainer had me slightly bending Hermosa's head to the inside (as Richard says), but then cueing with my hand, just behind the girth area. She pointed out that when you're riding the horse, this is where you cue that movement with your leg. So why not teach the horse that now? That made sense. Horse understood it easily.
Next, we started leg yield. Lead horse forward in walk. Slightly bend her head away from you, and brush your hand against her side, more or less where your leg would be, to ask her to step under with the hind leg. Somehow watch the horse walk while you lead her and not crash into things, because you want to apply the cue as the outside hind leg is in flight. This was harder, more so for me than Hermosa. It takes a bit of multitasking skill to lead the horse, apply the aid at the right moment, and remember to keep her head bent in the correct direction for baby leg yield. When I didn't balls up the cues, the filly got it.
She also said to lead from the off-side sometimes. It will help the horse be less one-sided when I eventually ride her.
On a scale of Ghandi to my flatmate, who overcommits herself and then flaps around in a whirlwind of frantic stress, one must be near-as-dammit to Ghandi. Hermosa is far more sensitive and in tune to her handlers than my assorted quarter horses and draft crosses. Obviously, it's better to be zen-like with any horse, but the draft crosses never acted phased by a wee bit of flapping. Do I enjoy being around my flatmate when she's like that? No. Multiply that tenfold with something as sensitive as a little hotblood horse. And don't flap. Definitely don't flap when the filly plants. Just walk forward thinking very calm thoughts. Filly responds to this.
I had taught the filly reinback and turn on the forehand, but the trainer wanted me to use different cues for the latter than what I initially used. I'd trained turn-on-the-forehand it the way Richard Maxwell shows in his book. You bring the lead rope back and up to the withers and you move towards the horse's hip. That's how a lot of the western-style trainers in the States do it as well. This trainer had me slightly bending Hermosa's head to the inside (as Richard says), but then cueing with my hand, just behind the girth area. She pointed out that when you're riding the horse, this is where you cue that movement with your leg. So why not teach the horse that now? That made sense. Horse understood it easily.
Next, we started leg yield. Lead horse forward in walk. Slightly bend her head away from you, and brush your hand against her side, more or less where your leg would be, to ask her to step under with the hind leg. Somehow watch the horse walk while you lead her and not crash into things, because you want to apply the cue as the outside hind leg is in flight. This was harder, more so for me than Hermosa. It takes a bit of multitasking skill to lead the horse, apply the aid at the right moment, and remember to keep her head bent in the correct direction for baby leg yield. When I didn't balls up the cues, the filly got it.
She also said to lead from the off-side sometimes. It will help the horse be less one-sided when I eventually ride her.
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Caol Ila
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Oh boy do I recognise this! And I really don't do Ghandi
I imagine this is true of Deza as well then?
I'm not particularly great at Ghandi, either. We were actually doing better at approaching scary stuff when she was Gypsum's yard, but I was relaxed and happy there, and in an environment where I was super comfortable. New yards are unsettling for everyone, not just horses. Oh, well, just need to get better at Ghandi. Or good enough to convince my horse.