Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

[ROG]

LOL Thank you

So here goes.....
Hyundai Tucson (4X4)
Unladen/kerb = 1628 minimum
GVW = 2140 maximum
Towing = 1600
Max trailer plated MAM = 1360

so horse of 440kg max?

Sooo confusing....lol

you are not confused because you have it spot on .... 440 is the max for the horse/load when you deuct the 920

Well done

 

[ROG]

You could be cheeky and sell or part exchange the 505 for a lighter trailer

 

[Sharpie]

I would like to be seen to be using it if at all possible, i hate offending people especially being so kind to me in first place

So would a rav4 (4x4) work if it has
Unladen/kerb = 1425
GVW = 1785
Towing = 1500
with the IW 505 on a B license for one horse of 520? Iv done so many sums on so many cars my brains turned to mush lol

Or could you break down for me what vehicles i should look at mainly to stay within B license rules?

Thanks for your help

 

[ROG]

I would like to be seen to be using it if at all possible, i hate offending people especially being so kind to me in first place

So would a rav4 (4x4) work if it has
Unladen/kerb = 1425
GVW = 1785
Towing = 1500
with the IW 505 on a B license for one horse of 520? Iv done so many sums on so many cars my brains turned to mush lol

Or could you break down for me what vehicles i should look at mainly to stay within B license rules?

Thanks for your help

Max trailer MAM would be 1425 with that RAV because under B licence towing rules the trailer MAM cannot be more than the vehicle kerbweight
That would leave 505 kgs for the horse/load

Needing a trailer MAM of 1450 minimum (tight on weight at that - would be better at 1500) then you need a vehicle with these weight specs -
Maximum GVW 2050
Minimum kerbweight 1450
Minimum towing capacity 1450

At 1500 trailer MAM then a vehicle with these specs =
Max GVW 2000
Min kerb 1500
Min towing capacity 1500

Your 505 unladen weight is really holding you back for B licence towing

 

[Sharpie]

I getya, yes it would seem so......Darn it :/

Do you see freelanders mostly used for this scenario? Or would you suggest a vehicle that meets weight req's and that is upto the job?

 

[ROG]

I getya, yes it would seem so......Darn it :/

Do you see freelanders mostly used for this scenario? Or would you suggest a vehicle that meets weight req's and that is upto the job?

Most vehicles are up to the job if the towing capacity says so

All vehicles have problems of one sort or another

Depending on what type of surfaces need to be driven on will determine whether a 4X4 is required or not

In my signature below there is a link to a thread where members have rated thie vehicle and trailer combinations

 

[ds2107]

Hi, please help!
I have a 2011 rav4 sold to me as capable of towing my 2 ponies, however after reading posts here I am unsure if it will be safe.
I have 2 natives weighing 900kg total.

1. BE license
2. 1600kg
3. 2140kg
4. 2000kg
5. 2600kg
6.920kg

Please let me know if this would be safe.
Many thanks

 

[ds2107]

Re above, I have not bought the trailer yet, so if this trailer is too heavy (iw 506), what would be the max trailer weight to be safe? Thank you so much!

 

[ROG]

Hi, please help!
I have a 2011 rav4 sold to me as capable of towing my 2 ponies, however after reading posts here I am unsure if it will be safe.
I have 2 natives weighing 900kg total.

... I have not bought the trailer yet, so if this trailer is too heavy (iw 506), what would be the max trailer weight to be safe? Thank you so much!

1. BE license
2. 1600kg
3. 2140kg
4. 2000kg
5. 2600kg
6.920kg

Please let me know if this would be safe.
Many thanks

It is both safe and legal

Using the lower figure between numbers 4 and 5 which is 2000 then 920+900=1820 leaving you with 180 kgs spare

 

[ds2107]

Thanks ROG!

 

[ROG]

For anybody wondering why I have disabled my PM system ....

I started to get too many queries on towing and LGV issues and although I am fairly confident in answering them correctly there is always the possiblilty that some answers might be incorrect and without them being publically visible there is no chance of being corrected.

I am still very happy to answer queries publically so please choose the apropriate Towing clinic or LGV clinic link in my signature below to ask on

 

[luce1]

Hey Rog

Can you recommend any other places in surrey/hampshire that do C1 courses?

Thanks
Lucy

 

[ROG]

Hey Rog

Can you recommend any other places in surrey/hampshire that do C1 courses?

Thanks
Lucy

ANSWERED in The HHO LGV (HGV) Info clinic see post 19

 

[joolie]

Ok....

B licence only

Subaru Forester
Min kerb weight 1460
GVW 2000
Max towing weight (braked) 2000

Looking to tow 1 x 550kg horse in an Ifor 401 single horse. Trailer to be downplated. Is this legal? Think it is but so many figures I'm confused!!

Thank you

 

[ROG]

Ok....

B licence only

Subaru Forester
Min kerb weight 1460
GVW 2000
Max towing weight (braked) 2000

Looking to tow 1 x 550kg horse in an Ifor 401 single horse. Trailer to be downplated. Is this legal? Think it is but so many figures I'm confused!!

Thank you

If your figures are correct then downplate the 401 to a maximum of 1460kgs and that will be legal for B licence towing

The figures I have for that vehicle - might be a slightly different model
SUBARU FORRESTER (4X4)
Unladen/kerb = 1465 minimum
GVW = 2050 maximum
Towing = 2000
Max trailer plated MAM = 1450 kgs

The 401 weighs 770 empty so with a 550 horse and perhaps some tack etc the total weight will probably be about 1400 which is well within a 1450 trailer MAM and the 2000 towing capacity

 

[joolie]

Figures just taken quickly from autotrader as a rough idea. Thanks very much - taken a little while to get my head around weights etc but starting to make sence!!

 

[ROG]

Figures just taken quickly from autotrader as a rough idea. Thanks very much - taken a little while to get my head around weights etc but starting to make sence!!

Basically two simple rules for B licence towing -

Vehicle GVW added to trailer MAM must not be more than 3500

Trailer MAM must not be more than vehicle kerbweight

 

[luckyhorseshoe]

Hi,

I've recently been given the options for my new company car.
I was thinking that I might be able to tow a single horse trailer behind one of them but now I've seen them I'm not so sure. Could I pm you the list to look at?

 

[ROG]

Hi,

I've recently been given the options for my new company car.
I was thinking that I might be able to tow a single horse trailer behind one of them but now I've seen them I'm not so sure. Could I pm you the list to look at?

PM disabled so please post here

I will need more than basic info as there can be many models of each type

 

[luckyhorseshoe]

Ok will get all the details and post tomorrow
Thanks

 

[Gamebird]

Quick Q please:
Am I allowed to tow at 50mph in a 50mph zone? I am aware that I have to do 50 in a 60 and 60 on a motorway but have always wondered about a 50mph limit - there is about 10 miles of this (rural, wide straight A road so 50mph would be quite safe if legal) on the way to our local comp centre.

Thanks in advance.

 

[ROG]

Quick Q please:
Am I allowed to tow at 50mph in a 50mph zone? I am aware that I have to do 50 in a 60 and 60 on a motorway but have always wondered about a 50mph limit - there is about 10 miles of this (rural, wide straight A road so 50mph would be quite safe if legal) on the way to our local comp centre.

Thanks in advance.

Each vehicle type has a maximum speed limit for a type of road no matter if the posted limit is hiigher

If the posted limit is lower than the max limit allowed for the type of vehicle you are driving then you go by the posted limit

There is no law that says you have to go X amount below a posted limit

Example:-
NSL SC = 60 for cars and 50 for trailers
Same road with 50 limit = 50 for cars and 50 for trailers

 

[Gamebird]

Brilliant thanks.

 

[ROG]

I think this is the right place to post this, apologies if not, I am new to forums. I am unsure of my towing capacity.

I have an Audi A4, TDi, 1.9cc with the follwing stats;
- Unladen weight 1560KG
- Permissable max towing mas of trailer 1600Kg (braked) & 750Kg (Unbraked)
- Max Permissable mass is 2040 (exc. m/c) & Mass in service 1635
- This vehicle has a removable towbar which I am told is OK for towing trailers, is this correct?

We also have a Toyota Hiace campervan with 4 wheel drive. Currently it does not have a tow bar but we could put one on. The only stats I have for it are as follows;
- Revenue weight - 2595KG (Gross)
- 2779CC

I hold a B license (passed 1999) and am looking to get a light weight trailer for example a Cheval Liberte. I have a 16'1 horse who weighs around 560Kg. I would only want to tow him.

I would prefer to use the car to tow, but I am unsure if this is possible.

If I can tow with the car what is the max gross weight of trailer I can pull?

Any advice would be greatly welcome. If you need any more info please let me know.

Toyota for B licence towing will not work
The AUDI will work for B licence towing

AUDI
GVW 2040
Kerb 1560
Towing 1600

Trailer
Maximum plated MAM of 1460

1460+2040=3500 which is the max allowed for B licence towing
1460 is less than 1560 so the rule where the trailer MAM cannot be more than the vehicle kerbweight is ok

Downplate the cheval liberte trailer if more than 1460 by contacting the manufacturer - little or no cost

Cheval single horse trailers are about 660 unladen so add the weight of the horse (560) to that and you get a total of 1210 which is well under 1460 and well inside the 1600 towing capacity of the AUDI

ADD - WELCOME

 

[lttray]

Excellent. Thank you so much.

 

[NikNak1]

Hi,

I am a bit confused by all the towing regulations, I think I know the answer to this question but thought it might be helpful to check as it is all about as clear as mud!!

I only have the B licence & was hoping to tow a trailer tent to a horse camp we are going to (so it is technically horse related!!) I would be using my parents P reg landrover discovery which I think is:
2080 kerbweight (I can't find unladed weight in the handbook - is this the same thing??
Gross weight 2720 (is this the same as MAM??)
Plated Trailer weight - 935kg
Unladen weight - ?? (as yet have not been able to find this)

From my understanding of the regs I wouldn't be able to tow this on a B licence as the gross weight of the landrover + trailer is more than 3.5 ton - is this right?? Would I be right in thinking I would be able to tow it with a lighter car provided that the car is heavier than the trailer?? Seems bizarre seeing as a landrover is prob safer to tow with than a 'normal' car but if thems the rules...!!

Sorry for all the questions & thanks in anticipation for your help!! I suspect I will need to rely on good old mum & dad again, one day I will get round to getting my B+E!

 

[ROG]

Hi,

I am a bit confused by all the towing regulations, I think I know the answer to this question but thought it might be helpful to check as it is all about as clear as mud!!

I only have the B licence & was hoping to tow a trailer tent to a horse camp we are going to (so it is technically horse related!!) I would be using my parents P reg landrover discovery which I think is:
2080 kerbweight (I can't find unladed weight in the handbook - is this the same thing??
Gross weight 2720 (is this the same as MAM??)
Plated Trailer weight - 935kg
Unladen weight - ?? (as yet have not been able to find this)

From my understanding of the regs I wouldn't be able to tow this on a B licence as the gross weight of the landrover + trailer is more than 3.5 ton - is this right?? Would I be right in thinking I would be able to tow it with a lighter car provided that the car is heavier than the trailer?? Seems bizarre seeing as a landrover is prob safer to tow with than a 'normal' car but if thems the rules...!!

Sorry for all the questions & thanks in anticipation for your help!! I suspect I will need to rely on good old mum & dad again, one day I will get round to getting my B+E!

WELCOME

2720 GVW means a max trailer plated MAM of 780 kgs for B licence towing

If someone is with you who has the B+E for more than 3 years then stick L plates on, inform insurer and tow it on your current B+E provisional

 

[NikNak1]

That is what I thought, thank you for confirming

 

[avthechav]

Hi ROG, is it legal to tow a small horse in an Ifor 505 with a Hyundai Tucson?

Vehicle has a GVW of 2000kg, kerb weight of 1810kg

Trailer is 905kg unladen

Someone has told me that this could be ok if the trailer was downplated from 2300 or whatever a 505 is to 1500?

Any help gratefully recieved :-D

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG, is it legal to tow a small horse in an Ifor 505 with a Hyundai Tucson?

Vehicle has a GVW of 2000kg, kerb weight of 1810kg

Trailer is 905kg unladen

Someone has told me that this could be ok if the trailer was downplated from 2300 or whatever a 505 is to 1500?

Any help gratefully recieved :-D

The difference between kerb and GVW weights are always about 500 kgs so not sure you have the right weights

I have found this example for your vehicle:-
Hyundai Tucson (4X4)
Unladen/kerb = 1628 minimum
GVW = 2140 maximum
Towing = 1600
Max trailer plated MAM = 1360 = horse of 455kg max for B licence towing
For B+E licence towing no need to downplate and the max horse/load weight is just under 700 kgs