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[ROG]

I'd prefer a manual. So with that car and a cheval liberte of 655kg how much horse can I fit in? Do I need to take into account weight of people, water, tack etc?

1310 - lets reduce that to a round 1300

1300 minus 655 = 645

645 is the total weight that can be loaded into the trailer

PS - people are not allowed in the trailer when towing !!!!!!!!! LOL

EDIT -
I think you may be getting a little mixed up with weight allowances ...
The vehicle has its own weight allowance
The trailer has its own weight allowance

If you have people horse and tack etc then the people would be in the vehicle weight allowance and the horse in the trailer weight allowance
The tack can be either vehicle or trailer depending what you load it into

Example:-
Vehicle GVW 2000
kerb 1500
MAX load for vehicle = 500 (2000-1500=500)

Trailer
unladen 700
MAM 1300
Max load for trailer = 600 (1300-700=600)

 

[Shutterbug]

Any ides on the towing capacity of a HYUNDAI SANTA FE 2.7 V6?

Would be towing a 510 with one 16'3 m/w warmblood and cannot find the stats

 

[Shutterbug]

Any ides on the towing capacity of a HYUNDAI SANTA FE 2.7 V6?

Would be towing a 510 with one 16'3 m/w warmblood and cannot find the stats

Never mind - found it - at 2300kg I wont bother

 

[ROG]

Any ides on the towing capacity of a HYUNDAI SANTA FE 2.7 V6?

Would be towing a 510 with one 16'3 m/w warmblood

Never mind - found it - at 2300kg I wont bother

Why not?

Hyundai Santa Fe 2.7 V6 5dr Auto Estate 2001
Kerb 1756
GVW 2380
Towing 2300

HB511 or HB510 specs
Unladen 1000
MAM 2700

2300 towing capacity will easily cope with 1000 (trailer) plus 600? (horse)

No good for B licence towing though

 

[Shutterbug]

Thanks ROG - my head is spinning from all the numbers I have looked at over the last few weeks

 

[ROG]

Thanks ROG - my head is spinning from all the numbers I have looked at over the last few weeks

B+E licence required for that set up

Max load for trailer would be 1300 kgs

1300+1000=2300 towing capacity

 

[coss]

ROG - from 19th Jan 2013 I see the rules are slightly changing again.
Am I reading (in)correctly or does this increase towing capacities on a B-category license?
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/DG_201206

Motor vehicles with a MAM not exceeding 3500kg and designed and constructed for the carriage of no more than eight passengers in addition to the driver, with a trailer over 750kg, where the combination MAM is not exceeding 4250kg

This would mean you could have say a 2500kg GVW car and still tow a trailer plated at for example 1750kg? since 2500+1750=4250 ??

ETA: it does however state in a starred bit "**New element of category B (UK will not be taking this up. To drive vehicles within this definition, entitlement B+E will be needed)."
So does that mean the rules stay the same

 

[ROG]

ROG - from 19th Jan 2013 I see the rules are slightly changing again.
Am I reading (in)correctly or does this increase towing capacities on a B-category license?
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/DG_201206


This would mean you could have say a 2500kg GVW car and still tow a trailer plated at for example 1750kg? since 2500+1750=4250 ??

ETA: it does however state in a starred bit "**New element of category B (UK will not be taking this up. To drive vehicles within this definition, entitlement B+E will be needed)."
So does that mean the rules stay the same

The only change from the present rules is that new B+E licence holders from that date will need C1+E to tow trailers over 3500 kgs MAM

We might lose the rule where for B licence towing the trailer MAM cannot be more than vehicle kerbweight but don't hold your breath because although the EU doesn't have this rule we in the UK do and we are allowed to keep it.

 

[coss]

The only change from the present rules is that new B+E licence holders from that date will need C1+E to tow trailers over 3500 kgs MAM

We might lose the rule where for B licence towing the trailer MAM cannot be more than vehicle kerbweight but don't hold your breath because although the EU doesn't have this rule we in the UK do and we are allowed to keep it.

Thank you

 

[ROG]

What about a single Ifor 401 being towed by a Mondeo 53 plate diesel Estate for B licence holder?

Just curious!

Ford Mondeo 2.0TDCi 115 LX 5dr Diesel Estate 2003
kerb 1547
GVW 2165
towing 1800

HB401
unladen 770
MAM 1600

Trailer would need downplating to 1335 max - contact IFOR for that

If downplated to 1300 then it will leave 530 max for horse/load

 

[Bangagin]

I have a slightly different question about towing and hope it's ok to post it here.

I've just sold my 1999 IW trailer and bought a Wessex Clubman as preferred ramp on kerbside. It's slightly lighter than the IW. Towing it home empty with my 2.8 diesel Pajero yesterday evening I noticed a little bouncing and jerking of the trailer. When I used to tow my IW empty it was 100% rock steady. This felt like the movement you get when a horse is playing up in the trailer - although on a smaller scale.

I have yet to check tyre pressures before towing with a horse on board, but wondered whether it could indicate a potential problem. Either mechanically with the trailer, or with the tow bar being the wrong height? The trailer has just been serviced, but they had it done at their local garage rather than a specific trailer place.

The only thing that is worrying me slightly is the previous owners told me they could alter the height of the tow bar on their towing vechicle, whereas I can't.

 

[ROG]

I have a slightly different question about towing and hope it's ok to post it here.

No problem as it is to do with towing trailers

I cannot help but perhaps others can ......

 

[ROG]

Dear ROG, the expert

Could you please tell me if it's allowed to tow a single/lightweight trailer with a Hyundai Santa Fe 2.0 CRTD (53 reg) on a B licence?

Simple answer - NO

That vehicle has a GVW of 2520 kgs which only leaves 980 kgs MAM for the trailer (3500-2520=980)
With the lightest trailer being 655 kgs that would only leave 325 kgs for the load/horse

 

[Carol olympic news]

Hi. Help! Thinking of buying a trailer but so confused. I have a Toyota Hilux 05 max towing weight with brakes 2250kg.
I have a pre 97 normal license. Gross vehicle mass 2760kg.
Can't find any other requested info in the manual...
Was hoping I could get an Equi Trek Space Treka L unladen 1250 gross 2600. Or the Show treka L unladen 1400 gross 3000 - but we would have smallish horses/pony. They are roughly 500kg 400kg and 200kg. Can't imagine ever taking the 2 horses together...
Please help! I thought with our lovely truck weight would not be an issue but it seems so?? What could I buy and pull safely!
Kind regards
Carol Gregory

 

[ROG]

Hi. Help! Thinking of buying a trailer but so confused. I have a Toyota Hilux 05 max towing weight with brakes 2250kg.
I have a pre 97 normal license. Gross vehicle mass 2760kg.
Can't find any other requested info in the manual...
Was hoping I could get an Equi Trek Space Treka L unladen 1250 gross 2600. Or the Show treka L unladen 1400 gross 3000 - but we would have smallish horses/pony. They are roughly 500kg 400kg and 200kg. Can't imagine ever taking the 2 horses together...
Please help! I thought with our lovely truck weight would not be an issue but it seems so?? What could I buy and pull safely!
Kind regards
Carol Gregory

With a B+E licence which you have then, whatever trailer you buy, the empty trailer weight plus the weight of the load/horses when added together must not be more than the plated MAM weight of the trailer or the vehicle towing capacity, whichever is the lower of the two

Example
Hilux
towing capacity 2250

Show treka L
Unladen 1400
MAM 3000

Max load for trailer will be 850 kgs
850+1400=2250

 

[millachip]

Hi Rog,
I've been trying to work out if I can tow with my Rav4 which is the deisel 6speed manual version and hope you can help me.
I have a BE licence
It doesn't show the unladen weight of the Rav4 in my book
GVW of Rav is 2190 as per book
Towing capacity is 2000 as per book
I can't buy a trailer until I know if I can tow one and under what circumstances! The ponies I need to transport are both 12.2, one an exmoor, the other a welsh part bred - surely a combined weight of less than 700kg.
Really hope that you can ease my confusion!! Thanks

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog,
I've been trying to work out if I can tow with my Rav4 which is the deisel 6speed manual version and hope you can help me.
I have a BE licence
Towing capacity is 2000 as per book
The ponies ... a combined weight of less than 700kg.

WELCOME

With a B+E licence then all that matters is the trailer plated MAM and the vehicle towing capacity in regards to what weight can be carried in the trailer

you can have any trailer up to 3500 kgs plated MAM

The weight of the empty trailer plus the 700 kgs for the ponies cannot be more than 2000 kgs (towing capacity) or more than the trailer plated MAM

Getting a trailer with a MAM over 2000 is your best bet because not going over the 2000 will mean you never get near to the trailer MAM

However, getting a trailer with a 1700 MAM which weighs 800 empty will still be ok because that still leaves you 900 kgs load capacity with 200 kgs to spare for other bits and pieces

 

[millachip]

Thanks Rog,
Just to make sure... so an Ifor Williams HB506 with unladen weight of 920 and gross weight of 2600 would be legal for me to tow with the ponies making it up to 1620 with maybe another 100 for 'bits'.
Now as the 85% of my Gross Vehicle Mass comes to 1861 and I am not intending to go on anything other than B roads a few miles here and there... do you think it would be safe for me to tow with this combination, as so many post have terrified me regarding the poor Rav4!
Really appreciate your help, can't believe you are so awesome!!

 

[ROG]

Thanks Rog,
Just to make sure... so an Ifor Williams HB506 with unladen weight of 920 and gross weight of 2600 would be legal for me to tow with the ponies making it up to 1620 with maybe another 100 for 'bits'.
Now as the 85% of my Gross Vehicle Mass comes to 1861

85% ADVICE is for CARAVANS only and not for any other type of trailer

2600 MAM
2000 towing capacity
We use the LOWER of those so that will be the 2000

2000 minus 920 = 1080 for the load/horses which would be 700 for your ponies plus 380 for other bits

 

[Smurfys Law]

Hi

Looking for some help please. I have a b+e license and own a Mazda 3 1.6 ts2 diesel. I want to tow one horse weighing 510kg. I believe the braked towing capacity of my Mazda is 1300kg. So does this mean I just need to keep trailer weight below 790kg and is this possible? Or do I need a new vehicle?!

Thanks in advance

 

[ROG]

Hi

Looking for some help please. I have a b+e license and own a Mazda 3 1.6 ts2 diesel. I want to tow one horse weighing 510kg. I believe the braked towing capacity of my Mazda is 1300kg. So does this mean I just need to keep trailer weight below 790kg and is this possible? Or do I need a new vehicle?!

Thanks in advance

Mazda 3 TS2 1.6 5dr 2010
kerb 1398
GVW 1830
Towing 1300

With a horse/load of 510 (but lets say 550 to allow for other bits) you need a trailer which is 750 unladen/empty and has a plated MAM of at least 1300 kgs

The Bateson Derby at 675 unladen and the Cheval liberte single horse trailer at 655 unladen are the only two I can think of at the momment which will fulfill your needs

 

[rockysmum]

I have a slightly different question about towing and hope it's ok to post it here.

I've just sold my 1999 IW trailer and bought a Wessex Clubman as preferred ramp on kerbside. It's slightly lighter than the IW. Towing it home empty with my 2.8 diesel Pajero yesterday evening I noticed a little bouncing and jerking of the trailer. When I used to tow my IW empty it was 100% rock steady. This felt like the movement you get when a horse is playing up in the trailer - although on a smaller scale.

I have yet to check tyre pressures before towing with a horse on board, but wondered whether it could indicate a potential problem. Either mechanically with the trailer, or with the tow bar being the wrong height? The trailer has just been serviced, but they had it done at their local garage rather than a specific trailer place.

The only thing that is worrying me slightly is the previous owners told me they could alter the height of the tow bar on their towing vechicle, whereas I can't.

Not an expert or mechanic, but when my old trailer started to do this it was the dampers. They are a shock absorber type of thing which absorbes some of the movement when you brake. If they are broken or leaking you wouldn't notice unless you actually towed it. The result is that instead of the brakes coming on and off smoothly they jerk on and off. This means the trailer is constantly bringing on the brakes which then slows it down bringing them off hard. It them bounces back bringing the brakes on again.

On my Rice you could actually see them on the tow hitch, not sure about other trailers.

 

[Bustalot]

Sorry, new to this towing malarchy and currently looking at getting a car to do the job. But never realised there were so many different types of tow bar! Always thought a tow bar was a tow bar.

What type of tow bar do I need to to a horse trailer?

Thanks

 

[ROG]

Sorry, new to this towing malarchy and currently looking at getting a car to do the job. But never realised there were so many different types of tow bar! Always thought a tow bar was a tow bar.

What type of tow bar do I need to to a horse trailer?

Thanks

Not my field of expertise but this may help TOWBAR FAQs

 

[Shutterbug]

hi....me again

Toyota Hilux Surf 2.5 TD

I cant find a lot of information on this vehicle as its technically an import - any ideas on towing capability? Potentially towing a 511 with two horses

 

[ROG]

hi....me again

Toyota Hilux Surf 2.5 TD

I cant find a lot of information on this vehicle as its technically an import - any ideas on towing capability? Potentially towing a 511 with two horses

I cannot find the towing limit for it either

looks like a call to Toyota HQ in the UK may be the only way to find out

 

[ROG]

Had licence since 1978, I drive 3.5 lorry, can I put a tow bar on the back and pull a small trailer to carry my driving carriage. Lorry is Renault master conversion 3yr old.

Renault Master with a GVW of 3.5 tonnes usually has a GTW of 6.0 tonnes
This can be confirmed by finding the weight plate on it somewhere and reading the top two figures

Assuming the figures are correct and the van is fully loaded to 3.5 tonnes then it can tow a trailer, horsebox trailer, or caravan etc which actually weighs 2.5 tonnes or 2500 kgs

The plated MAM of any trailer towed can be up to 3500 kgs

You have a pre 1997 licence so the B+E on it will cover you for that

 

[ROG]

I have mentioned before that the only legal way to have a trailer down plated for B licence towing is to contact the trailer manufacturer but some have gone out of business so it becomes impossible

Other manufacturers were taken over by a rival so may still retain the records in order to down plate - this is one example .. I copied it from another site

Sinclair was bought out by pegasus years ago and now pegasus trailers have been bought out by Wessex

The owner of a sinclair trailer had it recently down plated by Wessex for a £10

 

[Renvers]

I am looking to buy a 4X4 and trailer for towing on a B+E and have see a couple of nice LPG conversions, one is a ML320 and the other a Defender so towing weights etc all ok for one horse in a standard trailer.

However I wondered if being an LPG would in anyway affect the towing, either in terms of power or legal ability.

Anyone any ideas/experience of using LPG?

 

[ROG]

I am looking to buy a 4X4 and trailer for towing on a B+E and have see a couple of nice LPG conversions, one is a ML320 and the other a Defender so towing weights etc all ok for one horse in a standard trailer.

However I wondered if being an LPG would in anyway affect the towing, either in terms of power or legal ability.

Anyone any ideas/experience of using LPG?

Try the links in this google search many are from this site