ROG
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Providing the Freelander kerbweight is at least 1420 (should be easily) then your calculations are all correct
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EmmaB
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Thankyou so much! Thank god Fi that, these weights were sending me insane
silverstar2013
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Hello, it's me again
I've scrapped the Freelander idea and I'm now looking at Pajeros.
Would I be legal with:
* B licence (passed driving test 1999)
* Ifor Williams 401
* Vehicle is either a
Pajero 1994 swb 2.8 diesel
OR
Pajero 1995 lwb 2.8 diesel
Any help much appreciated, thank you
I've scrapped the Freelander idea and I'm now looking at Pajeros.
Would I be legal with:
* B licence (passed driving test 1999)
* Ifor Williams 401
* Vehicle is either a
Pajero 1994 swb 2.8 diesel
OR
Pajero 1995 lwb 2.8 diesel
Any help much appreciated, thank you
ROG
Well-Known Member
Please supply these weights for the pajeroHello, it's me again
I've scrapped the Freelander idea and I'm now looking at Pajeros.
Would I be legal with:
* B licence (passed driving test 1999)
* Ifor Williams 401
* Vehicle is either a
Pajero 1994 swb 2.8 diesel
OR
Pajero 1995 lwb 2.8 diesel
Any help much appreciated, thank you
GVW
Kerb
Towing capacity
I am unable to find these weights on the internet
chestnuttyy
Well-Known Member
Hi Rog, could I just double check this is legal...
Trailer: IW HB401
Car: Honda CR-V
GVW (KG): 2140
Towing weight ( braked): 1500
Min kerb: 1631
Trailer currently plated at 1420KG but can downplate a bit further as horse is only 480-500KG.
Thanks
Trailer: IW HB401
Car: Honda CR-V
GVW (KG): 2140
Towing weight ( braked): 1500
Min kerb: 1631
Trailer currently plated at 1420KG but can downplate a bit further as horse is only 480-500KG.
Thanks
ROG
Well-Known Member
For B licence towing the max trailer MAM needs to be no more than 1360 kgsHi Rog, could I just double check this is legal...
Trailer: IW HB401
Car: Honda CR-V
GVW (KG): 2140
Towing weight ( braked): 1500
Min kerb: 1631
Trailer currently plated at 1420KG but can downplate a bit further as horse is only 480-500KG.
Thanks
1360+2140=3500 which is the max for B towing
1360 is not more than 1631 so thats ok
chestnuttyy
Well-Known Member
Fab, trailer weighs 770kg unladen so that gives me about 860kg o horse which is more than enough!!
ROG
Well-Known Member
1360-770=590 for load/horse in the trailer not 860
chestnuttyy
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Beetlebug
Member
Hi Rog,
I am looking to buy a Freelander 2.0 TD4 S.
Weight of car - 2080kg
Max towing weight (braked) -1800
Min kerb weight -1640
Trailer is a IFor Williams 505
Horse 15.3hh 550kg
Driver - my dad he has a B licence
Could you let me know if this will be ok? Only wanting to do local shows so don't want to fork out for a beefy 4x4 if I don't have to...
Thank you
I am looking to buy a Freelander 2.0 TD4 S.
Weight of car - 2080kg
Max towing weight (braked) -1800
Min kerb weight -1640
Trailer is a IFor Williams 505
Horse 15.3hh 550kg
Driver - my dad he has a B licence
Could you let me know if this will be ok? Only wanting to do local shows so don't want to fork out for a beefy 4x4 if I don't have to...
Thank you
ROG
Well-Known Member
HB505 max gross weight is 2340KG, unladen weight is 905KG
The maximum trailer plated MAM on a B licence where the vehicle has a GVW of 2080 will be 1420 so the trailer will need to be down plated to a max of 1420 and that can be done by contacting Ifor williams - the cost will be little or nothing but will need taking to an Ifor dealer to be changed
At 1420 kgs plated MAM and a 905 unladen weight the trailer will be able to be loaded with a max of 515 kgs which is not enough for your 550 kgs horse etc
You have the right vehicle but not the right trailer for B licence towing
Something with a lower unladen weight is needed - perhaps an ifor HB401 or 403 which has an unladen weight of about 770 kgs which would leave 650 kgs for the horse/load
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The Amber Gambler
Well-Known Member
Hi Rog
Could you assist to confirm whether my car (BMW 320) is legal and safe to tow with:-
I passed my test after 1997 but took my trailer test in 2010 so my licence is BE.
Unladen weight of car = 1490
GVW of car = 1970
Braked towing weight = 1600
Ifor Williams HB505 trailer
We have a Toyota Landcruiser which is the main towing car but the odd time the hubby has the car and we was thinking to use the car if it is ok, personally I am not keen?!
Thanks
Could you assist to confirm whether my car (BMW 320) is legal and safe to tow with:-
I passed my test after 1997 but took my trailer test in 2010 so my licence is BE.
Unladen weight of car = 1490
GVW of car = 1970
Braked towing weight = 1600
Ifor Williams HB505 trailer
We have a Toyota Landcruiser which is the main towing car but the odd time the hubby has the car and we was thinking to use the car if it is ok, personally I am not keen?!
Thanks
ROG
Well-Known Member
The 505 has an unladen weight of about 900 kgs so with a horse/load of under 700 kgs it should be fine
The only thing I would point out is to watch the type of road surfaces it is being used on - I doubt if it will be very good away from good solid road surfaces
It is bound to feel and react differently than the landcruiser
The Amber Gambler
Well-Known Member
Thanks Rog, I will definitely be sticking with tarmac if we use it!!
ROG
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Thanks Rog, I will definitely be sticking with tarmac if we use it!!
One more thing before somebody jumps into a black hole ....
The fact that the HB505 has a plated MAM of 2340 (appx) and the vehicle towing capacity is lower at 1600 makes no difference to any legalities
chestnuttyy
Well-Known Member
Rog... need your wisdom again please!
Toyota Rav 4 to pull an Ifor 401 (unladen approx 770 KG, currently plated at 1420KG) - how much weight would I have to play with on a B Licence??
Gross vehicle weight 1930 kg
Max towing weight (braked) 1500 kg
Minimum kerb weight 1442 kg
Would this be a safe option to tow my 401 with?
Thanks
Toyota Rav 4 to pull an Ifor 401 (unladen approx 770 KG, currently plated at 1420KG) - how much weight would I have to play with on a B Licence??
Gross vehicle weight 1930 kg
Max towing weight (braked) 1500 kg
Minimum kerb weight 1442 kg
Would this be a safe option to tow my 401 with?
Thanks
ROG
Well-Known Member
Just legal on a B licence by 22 kgs !! (1442-1420=22)Rog... need your wisdom again please!
Toyota Rav 4 to pull an Ifor 401 (unladen approx 770 KG, currently plated at 1420KG) - how much weight would I have to play with on a B Licence??
Gross vehicle weight 1930 kg
Max towing weight (braked) 1500 kg
Minimum kerb weight 1442 kg
Would this be a safe option to tow my 401 with?
Thanks
Max Horse/load for trailer = 650 kgs
chestnuttyy
Well-Known Member
Awesome, thought I'd worked it out right! Could always replate the trailer again to nab those extra 22kg! Horse is less than 500kg so 150kg for tack plus me is more than enough and if OH comes along then I'll stick L plates on or make him drive!
Any idea what the RAV 4 is like for towing? I'm looking around the 2005 sort of age...
Any idea what the RAV 4 is like for towing? I'm looking around the 2005 sort of age...
ROG
Well-Known Member
No idea as I have only towed an empty box trailer with a 4x4
Why the L plates when OH is with you ?
OH weight goes onto the car GVW so unless you go into the trailer with the horse when he comes along and increase the trailer weight then I am confused !!!!!!
The vehicle has a weight limit and the trailer has a weight limit
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Hannahharper1982
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Hi ROG
Could I ask for advice?
I have a freelander TD4 2.0 automatic (53plate) I believe it's towing capacity to be 1800kg, and kerb weight 1615kg. I have been offered an old rice Europa trailer, unladen weight 980kg max gross weight 2300kg. My horse weighs in about 520kg - I only have a B license at the moment - would this combination be legal on a B license or would B + E be required? Thanks
Could I ask for advice?
I have a freelander TD4 2.0 automatic (53plate) I believe it's towing capacity to be 1800kg, and kerb weight 1615kg. I have been offered an old rice Europa trailer, unladen weight 980kg max gross weight 2300kg. My horse weighs in about 520kg - I only have a B license at the moment - would this combination be legal on a B license or would B + E be required? Thanks
ROG
Well-Known Member
B+E required or be under B+E provisional rules
SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
Hannahharper1982
Well-Known Member
Thanks for your prompt reply - would I be legal on a B license with a different trailer - what should I ideally be looking for weight wise regarding trailer?
ROG
Well-Known Member
IS THIS YOUR CAR ?
KERB 1619
GVW 2080
TOWING 1800
With something like a HB401 or 403 then it can be perfectly ok on a B licence but will need to be down plated to a mximum of 1420 MAM
As they weight 770 unladen then that leaves 650 kgs for the horse/load
Other trailers are available but I used the common Ifor as an example
ROG
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Billabongchick
Well-Known Member
Hi ROG, Thanks, I can't find it in that list - It is a 1.9 TDI S 2002 Model?
ROG
Well-Known Member
Volkswagen Passat 1.9 S TDI 100 5DR 2002
KERB 1625
GVW 2030
TOWING 1400
MAX trailer plated MAM = 1470 but the max actual towing weight is 1400
Using the IFOR HB401/403 as an example again which has a 770 unladen/empty weight
Down plate the trailer from 1600 to between 1400 to 1470 by contacting the manufacturer who will arrange it with a local dealer for little or no cost
1400 minus 770 leaves 630 max for the horse/load
This would then be legal for B licence towing
Using an estate instead of a 4X4 does have some restrictions such as not going onto non hard surfaces and it will feel different when towing
chestnutx
Well-Known Member
Hi
I have a very old Richardson trailer, it is not plated. The tyres have 750kg on them and it has 4 tyres so I assume total weight is 3t? Now my question is if the police stopped me would they go on the weight according to tyres or make me go on a weighbridge? My towing vehicle can tow a max of 1.8t so think we might not be legal? So far we've only towed hay but I want to get out practicing so I can take my test and drive solo eventually!
Thanks so much rog.
I have a very old Richardson trailer, it is not plated. The tyres have 750kg on them and it has 4 tyres so I assume total weight is 3t? Now my question is if the police stopped me would they go on the weight according to tyres or make me go on a weighbridge? My towing vehicle can tow a max of 1.8t so think we might not be legal? So far we've only towed hay but I want to get out practicing so I can take my test and drive solo eventually!
Thanks so much rog.
ROG
Well-Known Member
It will go on the total of the tyre ratings so you are correct with 3 tonnes
The authorities will take your trailer as being 3000 kgs MAM
What the towing capacity is and what the MAM is are two entirely different issues
There is no law or rule which states the MAM cannot be higher than the towing capacity
There is no law regarding the towing capacity - seriously
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chestnuttyy
Well-Known Member
Lol I was thinking overall weight (maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree)...
Trailer (770KG) plus horse (500KG) = 1270
GVW = 1925
1925 + 1270 = 3195
3500KG (max weight for B licence) - 3195 = 305KG...
= a max load to go in the car of 305 KG???
... actually even if I am barking up the wrong tree with the overall weight thing... 305KG is loads!!! lol
ROG
Well-Known Member
Lets say a car is 1500 unladen/kerbweight and 2000 GVW - that means 500 can go in the car
Lets say the trailer is 800 unladen/empty and has a MAM of 1400 - that means 600 can go in the trailer
As long as the GTW for the vehicle is 3400 or over then all can be fully loaded
GTW is usually, but not always, the GVW plus the towing capacity
The GTW is the top number on the plate in the vehicle
The GVW is the second number
The two lower numbers are max axle weights with the front listed first