ROG
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You have a few choices because you have B+E and LGV C1 ( up to 7.5 tonnes) so perhaps you might be better to ask on the tack room forum for which is best
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manilla94
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Help! I would like to tow with Honda CRV, 1 horse weighing 540 kg in an ifor Williams 505. Can I do that on a b licence? Thanks
ROG
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WELCOME
Done a CRV before - HERE
As you can see, I need certain info to give a definitive answer but your trailer is heavier empty than the one in that link so if the figures are about the same for the CRV then with a trailer that weighs about 900 kgs empty (HB505) and has a downplated max MAM of 1360 it will leave only 460 for the load/horse
Using a lighter trailer like the HB401/403 would leave 590 for the load /horse
Please supply exact model of CRV or better still the weight figures from the plate in the vehicle and from the info on the V5 registered keepers documment - ta
bex1984
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Hi ROG,
Is it possible to down plate a trailer if the manufacturer is no longer in business??
Thanks
Is it possible to down plate a trailer if the manufacturer is no longer in business??
Thanks
ROG
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NO ... that was easyHi ROG,
Is it possible to down plate a trailer if the manufacturer is no longer in business??
Thanks
Without any plate on it the total of the load ratings on the tyres will be deemed the MAM up to a maximum of 3500 kgs
bex1984
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Thanks ROG, I thought as much....it's a nightmare trying to find a lightweight trailer!!
ROG
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I know you are looking for a trailer with a max unladen weight of 850 kgs so perhaps it could be a double - might be worth searching the web for manufacturers of doubles and then click on the dimensions to see the unladen weights
bex1984
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My beloved has his heart set on a vw passat, which is unfortunately really heavy and means I have to find a really light trailer! I think I might have to persuade him that a slightly lighter car is a good plan!
ROG
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IS IT THIS PASSAT ?
If yes, then with 1470 MAM for the trailer then a 900 unladen weight which is that of the HB505 double trailer it would leave 570 for the load/horse
bex1984
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Well, we were looking at the later passats, the 2l TDI....http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volkswagen/passat/estate-2005/32563/
OH likes the 138bhp!! And I like the fact that is can tow 1800kg, as I'd feel safer with something as beefy as possible. Doesn't say the GVW on that link though but I think it's between 2100 and 2200kg??
The one mentioned in your link is the older version which is a 1.9 TDI I think http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volkswagen/passat/estate-2000/20412/??
Basically we're trying to marry up a decent commuting car for OH - commuting 16 miles each way to work and back, with something that will safely tow my beloved pony and not feel like it's struggling if that makes sense. And is safe to travel our baby about in and has space for baby, pram, dog and tack!
It would be great if we could find something that would tow a 505 as there's loads of them about!
ROG
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2180 GVW for the model your OH is looking at so that leaves 1320 max for the trailer MAM
1320 has to accomodate the trailer unladen weight plus the weight of anything you need to put in it
bex1984
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Is there an easy place to find GVWs online? They seem to be hard to find.
ROG
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There is not a database of them so they have to be searched for individually such as .....
2008 ford mondeo estate 2.0 kgs gvw kerb towing
luckilotti
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hi,
OK, picked up trailer today so now i need to know all the other bits and bobs!
If driving 'provisionally' - do i need green or red L plates on (i assumed red but someone said it would be green as if i went on the motorway etc with red ones on loads of people would be calling the police etc thinking i was a total learner....) - i also assume then need to be at the front and rear of the car/trailer combo.
i havent had a full on look but where could i find a plate on the trailer? i have seen inside a plate which is about maintence etc - its an old rice i have got (fearful of the weight!)
now i have read earlier re the tyres and looking at their weight but it had off road type heavy duty tyres put on so would that figure be accurate if i cant find a plate? (at the mo i hope its just been painted over as i cant see why one would still be inside but not outside etc).
if a trailer hasnt got a plate on - can you get one put on it and if so how do you go about it?
Thanks in advance!
OK, picked up trailer today so now i need to know all the other bits and bobs!
If driving 'provisionally' - do i need green or red L plates on (i assumed red but someone said it would be green as if i went on the motorway etc with red ones on loads of people would be calling the police etc thinking i was a total learner....) - i also assume then need to be at the front and rear of the car/trailer combo.
i havent had a full on look but where could i find a plate on the trailer? i have seen inside a plate which is about maintence etc - its an old rice i have got (fearful of the weight!)
now i have read earlier re the tyres and looking at their weight but it had off road type heavy duty tyres put on so would that figure be accurate if i cant find a plate? (at the mo i hope its just been painted over as i cant see why one would still be inside but not outside etc).
if a trailer hasnt got a plate on - can you get one put on it and if so how do you go about it?
Thanks in advance!
D66
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Thanks for the response ROG.
Can I ask another question about towing with a horsebox?
I have been told that I can tow a trailer or caravan of less than 650kg behind a horsebox on an ordinary (pre 97) licence. If the weight of the trailed item is more than that I would need an HGV licence, regardless of the total weight of the outfit. Is that correct?
bex1984
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ROG please can I double check this combo with you...
VW Passat Estate 1.9 SE TDI 130 (2000 - 2005 version)
Kerb weight: 1618kg
GVW: 2030kg I *think* this is right...it's so hard to find...grrr
Tows: 1600kg
Pony: 480kg (although he is porky at the mo, so let's say 500kg)
With a Bateson Deauville ULW 860kg, will need to get it downplated to 1470kg.
So 'oss + trailer is 1360kg so should be all ok?
*crosses fingers and awaits ROG's verdict*
VW Passat Estate 1.9 SE TDI 130 (2000 - 2005 version)
Kerb weight: 1618kg
GVW: 2030kg I *think* this is right...it's so hard to find...grrr
Tows: 1600kg
Pony: 480kg (although he is porky at the mo, so let's say 500kg)
With a Bateson Deauville ULW 860kg, will need to get it downplated to 1470kg.
So 'oss + trailer is 1360kg so should be all ok?
*crosses fingers and awaits ROG's verdict*
ROG
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With your licence ....
You can tow quite a large trailer/caravan behind a 3.5 horsebox but it will depend on the towing restrictions of the vehicle and not your licence
Towing a caravan/trailer behind a 7.5 tonner will be a max MAM/MPTLM of 750 kgs
Towing a caravan/trailer behind a 6 tonner will be a max of 2250 kgs MAM because your C1+E has a 107 code restricting the total plated GVW/MAM to 8250 kgs
ROG
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ROG please can I double check this combo with you...
VW Passat Estate 1.9 SE TDI 130 (2000 - 2005 version)
Kerb weight: 1618kg
GVW: 2030kg I *think* this is right...it's so hard to find...grrr
Tows: 1600kg
Pony: 480kg (although he is porky at the mo, so let's say 500kg)
With a Bateson Deauville ULW 860kg, will need to get it downplated to 1470kg.
So 'oss + trailer is 1360kg so should be all ok?
*crosses fingers and awaits ROG's verdict*
ALL OK and you will have about 100 kgs to spare in the trailer
ROG
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Red L plates front of vehicle and rear of trailer
The authoriites will go by the total of all the tyre load ratings if a plate cannot be found - the maximum will be 3500 even if they add up to more than that
Only the manufacturer of the trailer can arrange for a new or changed plate
bex1984
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ALL OK and you will have about 100 kgs to spare in the trailer
YEY
This weekend I shall mostly be car and trailer shopping!! Thanks so much for all your help ROG
luckilotti
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Thanks for the reply,
dont have all the info but what i think i have found....
1 - B (hopefully getting B+E but until then will be towing with L-plates on)
2 1985kg ?
3 2720
4 Max. Towing Weight Braked 4000 Max. Towing Weight Unbraked 750
Minimum Kerbweight 2055 (not sure if thats what was needed)
5 each tyre i think says around 1120lbs (will double check tomorrow!)
6 again not sure how i could find out apart from going to a weight bridge? (unless anyone has a general idea of an old rice trailer, takes 2x16.2, front and rear unload that could be used in this calculation) i guess use a weight that would be a heavier trailer?
hopefully i will at least be able to take one of the childrens shetlands out :/
ROG
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With a GVW of 2720 then any trailer being towed which is over 780 kgs MAM is going to require to be driven under B+E rules
luckilotti
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so does that mean i could still tow it with L plates whilst learning?
i found a few diff sites and they gave diff figurers for my car which has also confused me a little so will get out my handbook and see if its in there. (its a land rover discovery 300tdi 1996)
i found a few diff sites and they gave diff figurers for my car which has also confused me a little so will get out my handbook and see if its in there. (its a land rover discovery 300tdi 1996)
ROG
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Yes - the GVW etc makes no difference under full or provisional B+E rules
luckilotti
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Thanks.
I have to say, i am in a bit of panic here as i am googling and have just read quite a few stories on Land Rover forums basically where people have been done by VOSA as they believe you can only tow a trailer of around 750kg due to the GVW of the disco
I have to say, i am in a bit of panic here as i am googling and have just read quite a few stories on Land Rover forums basically where people have been done by VOSA as they believe you can only tow a trailer of around 750kg due to the GVW of the disco
ROG
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Thanks.
I have to say, i am in a bit of panic here as i am googling and have just read quite a few stories on Land Rover forums basically where people have been done by VOSA as they believe you can only tow a trailer of around 750kg due to the GVW of the disco
For those wishing to keep within B licence towing or for those wishing to keep outside tacho and commercial operator licence rules then that is correct
Your situation is different because all you wish to do is to tow privately under B+E provisional rules
One rule does not fit all - there are different rules for each situation
bex1984
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ROG, Is there a limit to what you can get a new ifor williams downplated to? Looking at a 401 trailer, which is 770kg, and trying to work out what car we can go for.
ROG
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No lower limit but they will recommend you do not lower it to a point it becomes useless to carry a reasonable load
my guess would be a low limit of about 1300 to allow for a 500 horse
billylula
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Luckilotti said ciuld
billylula
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Sorry! Phone and small children! Luckilotti asked if she could tow with L plates while learning - you cannot tow with a live load and L plates.