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[ROG]

Hi Rog,
Can i run this by you please? Am considering buying this:

Nissan xtrail Dci 173 Tekna 2010 plate, manual.

1. Passed test 1989
2. Unladen 1615kg
3. GVW 2170kg
4. GTW (is this the max trailer weight braked?) 2200
5. Plated mam of trailer HB506 2600
6. unladen trailer 920

Or would consider single trailer as would be carrying one horse upto 550kg
5. 1600
6. 767

If im correct the hb506 loaded would be too heavy?

Many thanks. Need a new car and eventually trailer so just looking at my options.

You have a B+E because passed car test before 1997

2200 and 2600 - the lower is 2200
2200 minus 920 = 1280 so the trailer can be loaded with 1280 kgs

 

[ROG]

Fairly sure this is all legal but just checking!

1. B+E
2. 2045kg
3. 2550kg
4. 3300kg
5. 3500kg
6.1595

Will only be used to carry a 800 kilo horse on his own.

3300 and 3500 so the lower 3300 is used
3300 minus 1595 = 1705
Trailer can be loaded with 1705 kgs

 

[Lami]

You have a B+E because passed car test before 1997

2200 and 2600 - the lower is 2200
2200 minus 920 = 1280 so the trailer can be loaded with 1280 kgs

Thanks ROG. Really helpful info. I am surprised by the weight I could potentially tow as the xtrail isnt heavy compared to some 4x4. Its still on my list of potential buys.

 

[SARAHSALLYRUBY]

Hi all.

As i have now decided, after advice from ROG, thank you, an estate car will prob get stuck in grassy ground etc, so im going to have to go for a landrover and a trailer.
What mpg can i expect from towing a ifor 505 and 1 550kg horse.
Will only really be local shows, within 20ish miles of home.

And should i really stick to an older landrover, ive heard post r reg are the ones to steer clear of?

Thank you

 

[ROG]

Hi all.

As i have now decided, after advice from ROG, thank you, an estate car will prob get stuck in grassy ground etc, so im going to have to go for a landrover and a trailer.
What mpg can i expect from towing a ifor 505 and 1 550kg horse.
Will only really be local shows, within 20ish miles of home.

And should i really stick to an older landrover, ive heard post r reg are the ones to steer clear of?

Thank you

For information on a particular vehicle you might get more responses from posting in the tack room forum

 

[SARAHSALLYRUBY]

Thank you

 

[crystalclear]

ROG, I'm not sure if his has been covered on this thread as it is very long (and I think we should do a poll on this so that information is easily found and viewable) but which vehicle do you recommend not only to tow a 510 and two 500kg horses (I added a bit more weight on them to be super legal) but also one that is reliable? I have my B+E test. Thank you

 

[ROG]

ROG, I'm not sure if his has been covered on this thread as it is very long (and I think we should do a poll on this so that information is easily found and viewable) but which vehicle do you recommend not only to tow a 510 and two 500kg horses (I added a bit more weight on them to be super legal) but also one that is reliable? I have my B+E test. Thank you

There are so many vehicles capable of towing certain weights that there will never be a definitive answer to your question

I did the only realistic thing that was possible and that was to ask members to rate their current towing set ups out of 10
The results of that are in the last link in my signature below

 

[noodle_]

*waves*

hi....


test passed; 2005...so on B licence only.... nicked the weights from a site so hope its right!?

ok so 2 cars in the running.....both estates.....VW golf estate 1.9 and mazda 6 - 2 litre i believe.... (2005-2008 depending on price)....

golf kerb weight -
Weight (unladen): 1361 kg
Loaded Weight (kg): 1990 kg
Maximum Towing Weight (Braked): 1400 kg
Maximum Towing Weight (Unbraked): 710 kg
Maximum Load (Kg): 629 kg



mazda 6 kerb weight - 1500kg



Im trying so hard to understand if i would be legal or not.......i frankly dont care what estate i drive - i just want to be legal.....

ive looked at the cheval liberte? they seem the most lightweigh - but also the ifor williams 505 is more realistic price wise??


pony will probably max out at 450kg - im working on 500kg just so i can have a little bit of give....for tack etc... and id rather have room to play than room for a fine!!!




ets - can you please explain to me what braked/unbraked means so i can stand a chance of working out what i can tow with..... i wish someone would take me shopping and point and i buy lol!!

thanks

 

[ROG]

B licence only....
golf
Weight (unladen): 1361 kg
Loaded Weight (kg): 1990 kg
Maximum Towing Weight (Braked): 1400 kg

ive looked at the cheval liberte? they seem the most lightweigh - but also the ifor williams 505 is more realistic price wise??


pony will probably max out at 450kg - im working on 500kg just so i can have a little bit of give....for tack etc... and id rather have room to play than room for a fine!!!

can you please explain to me what braked/unbraked means

Trailers not more than 750 kgs plated MAM are not required to have over-run brakes - any trailer for a horse will have over-run brakes

Using the weights for the GOLF.....
The maximum plated trailer weight can be 1361kgs
Needing 500 kgs of load space means a trailer not more than 850 kgs unladen

In most cases you will need to contact the traler manufacturer to get the trailer plated weight lowered - free or little cost

A read of post numbers 999 and 1000 may help you understand

 

[noodle_]

thanks

im seriously considerng banging my head against a wall and buying a 3.5 ton movano lorry and using that as my daily car too........... i just cannot afford to buy the wrong car as im getting finance on a new trailer.

i can get a cheval liberte? which is under 800kg unladen so that should be ok

ifor i think is too heavy...

*goes off to go check out more baffling info *


thanks ROG

 

[ROG]

thanks

im seriously considerng banging my head against a wall and buying a 3.5 ton movano lorry and using that as my daily car too........... i just cannot afford to buy the wrong car as im getting finance on a new trailer.

i can get a cheval liberte? which is under 800kg unladen so that should be ok

ifor i think is too heavy...

*goes off to go check out more baffling info *


thanks ROG

Put the weight details of any set up you are considering on here and I will let you know if it works for you

 

[noodle_]

thanks

its most likely a 1.9 golf....

from 2004-2009 id say....estate/.... towing a 450kg pony (max out being realistic as shes tiny )


and ANY type of trailer that will tow her - im getting a graduate loan to buy it (naughty i know...) but i want it safe...but small (Except single boxes as ive heard they arnt as safe?)


but would be interested to know what you think of single trailers/boxes??

somthing like
GT2 Compact
A lightweight trailer perfect for carrying two ponies or small horses up to 16hh. Easy to handle and tow, this trailer is perfect for any horse owner.

http://www.chevalhorsetrailers.co.uk/gt2-compact


would probably do the trick??? light enough as i onyl ever want to tow my pony who will not get any bigger than 15hh!

 

[ROG]

thanks

its most likely a 1.9 golf....

from 2004-2009 id say....estate/.... towing a 450kg pony (max out being realistic as shes tiny )


and ANY type of trailer that will tow her - im getting a graduate loan to buy it (naughty i know...) but i want it safe...but small (Except single boxes as ive heard they arnt as safe?)


but would be interested to know what you think of single trailers/boxes??

somthing like
GT2 Compact
A lightweight trailer perfect for carrying two ponies or small horses up to 16hh. Easy to handle and tow, this trailer is perfect for any horse owner.

http://www.chevalhorsetrailers.co.uk/gt2-compact


would probably do the trick??? light enough as i onyl ever want to tow my pony who will not get any bigger than 15hh!

That trailer looks fine - many on here use single horse trailers without incidents

Cannot help with different types of vehicle as I have never used them but can help with the legal side of things if weights are given

 

[noodle_]

thanks - off to carcraft next week to have a look round at what i want...make a note...theyn buy elsewhere

will come back to you with final weights.... im rather set on that trailer as its the lightest one i can see on the market...and fine for my pony - side for her - side for "tack room"...

Thanks again

 

[ROG]

thanks - off to carcraft next week to have a look round at what i want...make a note...theyn buy elsewhere

will come back to you with final weights.... im rather set on that trailer as its the lightest one i can see on the market...and fine for my pony - side for her - side for "tack room"...

Thanks again

We can work this backwards ....
Trailer is 700 unladen and needs to carry 500 so it could be plated as low as 1200

With a 1200 plated trailer the vehicle would need these specs ...
Maximum GVW 2300
Minimum kerbweight 1200
Minimum towing capacity 1200

Make the trailer 1300 plated MAM and the vehicle would need to be ...
Max GVW 2200
Min kerb 1300
Min tow capacity 1300

 

[noodle_]

Thank you ROG that makes more sense to me!!

*goes off to carhunt*


the headache i went to bed last night with was unreal... i was so worked up about getting the wrong one

 

[ArcticFox]

Hi Rog

Quick Q - my lorry is about to go into the garage and I have been offered the use of a trailer this weekend.

could you tell me if its ok?

the car we have:


RAV 4 DIESEL ESTATE 2.2 D-4D XT5 5dr

Trailer:

Ifor williams 511

Horse weight

616kg

Many thanks in advance

 

[ArcticFox]

sorry - here is the info I could find:

1. B+E
2. Unladen weight of towing vehicle – 1640
3. GVW 2190
4. 2000kg
5. MAM 2700kg
6. 1000kg

Is this ok to put one horse on? I doubt it but thought I'd ask

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog

Quick Q - my lorry is about to go into the garage and I have been offered the use of a trailer this weekend.

could you tell me if its ok?

the car we have:


RAV 4 DIESEL ESTATE 2.2 D-4D XT5 5dr

Trailer:

Ifor williams 511

Horse weight

616kg

Many thanks in advance

B+E licence required

Vehicle towing capacity 2000 kgs
Trailer MAM 2700
Lower of these two weights is 2000 so that is the one used


Trailer unladen weight 1000

2000 - 1000 = 1000 kgs
1000 kgs is what can be loaded into the trailer

 

[ROG]

sorry - here is the info I could find:

1. B+E
2. Unladen weight of towing vehicle – 1640
3. GVW 2190
4. 2000kg
5. MAM 2700kg
6. 1000kg

Is this ok to put one horse on? I doubt it but thought I'd ask

I found exactly the same info on the internet
HERE
AND HERE

 

[ArcticFox]

Brill thanks.

I should then be ok to take the one horse and gear.

thanks.
cx

 

[superstarnativepony]

Hi Rog, thank you for posting on my thread. Please let me know a) the weight I can tow on my own b) the weight I can tow with my mum (has a b+e)

Defender kerb weight 1795kg
Defender braked towing capacity 3500kg
Trailer unladen weight 905kg
Horse 500kg
Thanks for your help!

 

[superstarnativepony]

Ps I have a b license- only passed my test in 2008

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog, thank you for posting on my thread. Please let me know a) the weight I can tow on my own b) the weight I can tow with my mum (has a b+e)

I have a b license- only passed my test in 2008

Defender kerb weight 1795kg
Defender braked towing capacity 3500kg
Trailer unladen weight 905kg
Horse 500kg
Thanks for your help!

If I remember correctly the defender has a GVW of 2510 kgs which means on a B licence you can only tow a trailer with a max plated MAM of 990 kgs

With your mum as supervising driver you can load the trailer to its max

 

[HayleyUK]

Could someone help me work out the maximum towing weight capacity of a 2003 BMW X5 (3.0l/3.0i/3.0sport models) with an ifor williams 510 please? Trying to figure out if its worth buying and if so which model.

 

[superstarnativepony]

Thank you Rog, now to find someone to teach me to tow safely!

 

[ROG]

Could someone help me work out the maximum towing weight capacity of a 2003 BMW X5 (3.0l/3.0i/3.0sport models) with an ifor williams 510 please? Trying to figure out if its worth buying and if so which model.

BMW X5 2000-2003 4 x 4 3.0I Sport 5Dr Auto
Maximum Towing Weight (Braked): 2300 kg

 

[ROG]

Thank you Rog, now to find someone to teach me to tow safely!

If you are in Leics then I could do that for free with expenses covered

If you want the B+E then its a proper training school needed for the DSA test

 

[HayleyUK]

BMW X5 2000-2003 4 x 4 3.0I Sport 5Dr Auto
Maximum Towing Weight (Braked): 2300 kg

Thank you! Does it vary between the sport and non sport variants at all?