Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

[ROG]

Thank you! Does it vary between the sport and non sport variants at all?

same 2300 kgs

 

[ArcticFox]

Hi ROG

One last question. OH and I are buying a car to replace his Rav. I used the rav over the weekend with the borrowed trailer and it towed fine. Once we get the new car, I'd just like to check that it will be fine to tow with:

Mazda CX5 SportNav.


1. B+E
2. Unladen weight of towing vehicle – 1450
3. GVW 2035
4. 2000kg
5. MAM 2700kg
6. 1000kg
Would this be ok?

Many thanks

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG

One last question. OH and I are buying a car to replace his Rav. I used the rav over the weekend with the borrowed trailer and it towed fine. Once we get the new car, I'd just like to check that it will be fine to tow with:

Mazda CX5 SportNav.


1. B+E
2. Unladen weight of towing vehicle – 1450
3. GVW 2035
4. 2000kg
5. MAM 2700kg
6. 1000kg
Would this be ok?

Many thanks

Max load for trailer = 1000 kgs

towing capacity 2000 minus trailer unladen weight 1000 leaves 1000 for trailer load

 

[winston1988]

Max load for trailer = 1000 kgs

towing capacity 2000 minus trailer unladen weight 1000 leaves 1000 for trailer load

Hi Rog,
I have a vw sharan
vehicle wt 2510 kg
kerb wt 1814-2020
max permitted trailer wt with brake 2000
max car and trailer 4000kg
I passed my test in 1988

I have an ifor williams trailer unlaiden approx 950kg
and my daughters 14 2 weighs approx 450kg
Am I legal to tow with the sharan?
Kind regards

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog,
I have a vw sharan
vehicle wt 2510 kg
kerb wt 1814-2020
max permitted trailer wt with brake 2000
max car and trailer 4000kg
I passed my test in 1988

I have an ifor williams trailer unlaiden approx 950kg
and my daughters 14 2 weighs approx 450kg
Am I legal to tow with the sharan?
Kind regards

WELCOME

Ignoring the 4000 kg bit because I cannot figure out where that came from ....

You have B+E licence so thats ok
950 + 450 = 1400 so that leaves 600 kgs spare for the trailer to keep within the 2000 towing limit

 

[Hellenm]

Hi Rog, could you please help me ??????

I think I need to take the B+E but keep getting different answers ??

I understand the rules have changed again (Jan 13), I wonder if I am still OK to tow with my mother sitting next to me (with L's on) until can take the B+E test)

1 - What licence they hold = B ( passed 1998 )
2 - Unladen weight of the towing vehicle = 1815kg (2001 SWB Nissan Terrano 2.7td)
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle = ??
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle = 2800kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer = 2340kg (ifor williams 505)
6 - Unladen weight of the trailer = 905kg

I only ever carry one horse (500kg)

Thanks

Leni

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog, could you please help me ??????

I think I need to take the B+E but keep getting different answers ??

I understand the rules have changed again (Jan 13), I wonder if I am still OK to tow with my mother sitting next to me (with L's on) until can take the B+E test)

1 - What licence they hold = B ( passed 1998 )
2 - Unladen weight of the towing vehicle = 1815kg (2001 SWB Nissan Terrano 2.7td)
3 - GVW of the towing vehicle = ??
4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle = 2800kg
5 - Plated MAM of the trailer = 2340kg (ifor williams 505)
6 - Unladen weight of the trailer = 905kg

I only ever carry one horse (500kg)

Thanks

Leni

As a supervised B+E learner you can load 1435 kgs into the trailer
2340-905=1435

You cannot tow this combination under B licence towing rules

The new laws are for those that passed both B and B+E after 19/01/2013
They will be restricted to trailers which are not more than 3500 kgs plated MAM

 

[Hellenm]

Thank you very much

I will continue with my mother and my L plates until I can take the test (hopefully sooner rather than later).

Thanks again.

Leni

 

[CrazyMare]

Rog, it appears you cannot be PM-ed

Can you help? I have a Nissan Terrano II SE+ Auto (2.7TDi Intercooler), and a Bateson Ascot (and a herd of ponies, none over 14.2h, none over 500kg)

My Dad has been told that the Nissan Terrano cannot tow my Bateson Ascot even when its empty. Is this correct?

Also, if you are based in Leicester, do you do B+E lessons? I have been struggling to get dates booked with several companies in the Leicester/Loughborough area!

 

[ROG]

Rog, it appears you cannot be PM-ed

Can you help? I have a Nissan Terrano II SE+ Auto (2.7TDi Intercooler), and a Bateson Ascot (and a herd of ponies, none over 14.2h, none over 500kg)

My Dad has been told that the Nissan Terrano cannot tow my Bateson Ascot even when its empty. Is this correct?

Also, if you are based in Leicester, do you do B+E lessons? I have been struggling to get dates booked with several companies in the Leicester/Loughborough area!

B+E lessons and test over 3 half days on 29th 30th april and 1st may for about £650 all inclusive available at http://www.dataacademy.co.uk/be-car-trailer but others are available in this area - I just happen to know the trainers at this place quite well
I do not work for this company nor do I do training BUT I have done so in the past for other companies and am willing to help for free if my expenses are covered

1999 Nissan Terrano Ii SE Touring TDi 2.7 5dr - if this is your model then .....
GVW 2580
Kerb 1910
Towing 1700

Ascot Horse Trailer
MAM 2300
Unladen 925

This set up would definitely be under B+E full or provisional licence rules

The max load for the trailer will be 775 kgs (1700-925=775)

If your DAD says not ok empty on a B licence then he is correct

ALL THIS IS ASSUMING I HAVE THE RIGHT VEHICLE AND TRAILER

 

[CrazyMare]

B+E lessons and test over 3 half days on 29th 30th april and 1st may for about £650 all inclusive available at http://www.dataacademy.co.uk/be-car-trailer but others are available in this area - I just happen to know the trainers at this place quite well
I do not work for this company nor do I do training BUT I have done so in the past for other companies and am willing to help for free if my expenses are covered

1999 Nissan Terrano Ii SE Touring TDi 2.7 5dr - if this is your model then .....
GVW 2580
Kerb 1910
Towing 1700

Ascot Horse Trailer
MAM 2300
Unladen 925

This set up would definitely be under B+E full or provisional licence rules

The max load for the trailer will be 775 kgs (1700-925=775)

If your DAD says not ok empty on a B licence then he is correct

ALL THIS IS ASSUMING I HAVE THE RIGHT VEHICLE AND TRAILER

Thanks Rog, Will looking into Data Academy!

You are correct on the car, and trailer - Dad was informed the Terrano could tow next to nothing, irregardless of licences. It does appear to have less avalible towing weight than we were led to belive at purchase. Looks like it will be for sale again!!!

 

[avthechav]

Hi ROG I have a land rover 90 and I am towing 1 horse in an ifor 510

Kerb weight is 1750
Gross weigh 2.5 tonne
Trailer is weighted at 1000

I do not have my b and e licence and so was wondering how much weight I can tow in my trailer before I am illegal.

Any help gratefully received!
Thanks
Hannah

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG I have a land rover 90 and I am towing 1 horse in an ifor 510

Kerb weight is 1750
Gross weigh 2.5 tonne
Trailer is weighted at 1000

I do not have my b and e licence and so was wondering how much weight I can tow in my trailer before I am illegal.

Any help gratefully received!
Thanks
Hannah

Legally, on your own, You can put nothing in that trailer nor can you tow it empty !!

The maximum you can tow is a trailer with plated MAM of 1000kgs behind that vehicle and if that trailer weighed 500 empty then you could put 500 in it

You can tow under supervision on your current B+E provisional

 

[avthechav]

Legally, on your own, You can put nothing in that trailer nor can you tow it empty !!

The maximum you can tow is a trailer with plated MAM of 1000kgs behind that vehicle and if that trailer weighed 500 empty then you could put 500 in it

You can tow under supervision on your current B+E provisional

Brill, thanks for that (just wanted to add that I haven't been towing on my own and have got my test booked!)

 

[tillsmum]

Hi
1. b license
2. 1573
3. 2230
4. ? sorry couldn't find it
5. 1700
6. 610

The vehicle is a 59 Ford Mondeo automatic and my pony only weighs 450kgs not sure if that makes a difference
Thanks the whole towing thing is a nightmare

 

[ROG]

Hi
1. b license
2. 1573
3. 2230
4. ? sorry couldn't find it
5. 1700
6. 610

The vehicle is a 59 Ford Mondeo automatic and my pony only weighs 450kgs not sure if that makes a difference
Thanks the whole towing thing is a nightmare

Trailer needs down plating by contacting its manufacturer from 1700 to 1270(max) which would then leave 660kgs for the load/horse
It will then be legal for B licence towing

Number 4 - the towing capacity - will be around 2000 so thats ok

This will make you laugh .... I saw 59 and thought that car is a bit dated ...... 1959 ... but then I realised you meant a 59 plate

 

[tillsmum]

lol thanks for that. Glad to know I don't have to take the stupid test. happy now

 

[ROG]

lol thanks for that. Glad to know I don't have to take the stupid test. happy now

Which manufacturer made the trailer?

 

[tillsmum]

Its a Bateson Derby 44 Pullman I got the onfo for it from the internet but it is a used trailer.

 

[ROG]

Its a Bateson Derby 44 Pullman I got the onfo for it from the internet but it is a used trailer.

Bateson are still in business so no probs in having it down plated for little or no cost

Might be a good idea to have the serial number if you can find it

Bateson will advise which of their dealers nearest to you will actually change the plate

 

[tillsmum]

Thanks for that. What do you actually mean by down plated. Sorry to be thick

 

[ROG]

Thanks for that. What do you actually mean by down plated. Sorry to be thick

At the moment you should have a little silver coloured plate which states it is 1700 kgs MAM somewhere on it - usually on the A frame part between front of the actual box and the towball

That 1700 plate gets a new high figure of say 1250

Empty weight = best taken to a weighbridge to find that out

If it does not have a plate then bateson wil be able to help especially if you have the serial number which is usually in many places on it

 

[tillsmum]

Thank you so down plating it would mean that even my husband who has a b + e license wouldn't be able to tow 2 ponies in it. Is that right??? Because the total weight of the trailer plus ponies would be more than the plate weight.

 

[ROG]

Thank you so down plating it would mean that even my husband who has a b + e license wouldn't be able to tow 2 ponies in it. Is that right??? Because the total weight of the trailer plus ponies would be more than the plate weight.

Correct

Unfortunately the plating rules do not allow for interchangeable plates without going through the process I described

 

[Mossi]

Hi, I want to tow my 14hh Welsh D (approx 430 kg) in a lightweight trailer. Could I do this with a Nissan Terrano SWB 2.7 manual, a Suzuki Grand Vitara 2 litre Diesel or a Nissan XTrail? Thanks

 

[ROG]

Hi, I want to tow my 14hh Welsh D (approx 430 kg) in a lightweight trailer. Could I do this with a Nissan Terrano SWB 2.7 manual, a Suzuki Grand Vitara 2 litre Diesel or a Nissan XTrail? Thanks

No probs on a B+E licence but would need more info if on a B licence

 

[Mossi]

No probs on a B+E licence but would need more info if on a B licence

Hi, sorry, I should have been clearer. I passed my driving test in the early 80s, so no problems with the licence. I just wondered if it would be considered safe to tow with the combinations I have listed. Thanks.

 

[ROG]

I just wondered if it would be considered safe to tow with the combinations I have listed. Thanks.

I have never towed a horsebox but I see no reason why any of those would not be safe

Have a look through the members vehicle and trailer combinations link in my signature below

 

[Mossi]

Ok thanks

 

[Mike007]

I am not familiar with the other two vehicles ,but the short wheelbase Nissan teranno AKA the ford Maverick is not a good towing vehicle. Its handling characteristics make it "not a novice ride"