ROG
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mischamoo
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ROG - is it still the rule for a B licence holder that the gross plated weight of the trailer (MAM) cannot exceed the vehicle kerbweight. I had a feeling the kerbweight rule has been removed at some point??
ROG
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That was revoked/scrapped on 19/01/2013
mischamoo
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Thought so - thank you for clarifying
ROG
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Put a post on that discussion and have had private contact with the member who thanked me for giving him the correct info
It seems he got confused by the way the DVLA had put it on the internet - no surprises there!
XxCoriexX
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Hi Rog,
I saw your post! thanks for clearing all of that up! was starting to feel a little bit outnumbered! Glad you managed to give him the correct information, he didn't seem to want to listen to me.
I saw your post! thanks for clearing all of that up! was starting to feel a little bit outnumbered! Glad you managed to give him the correct information, he didn't seem to want to listen to me.
mischamoo
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ROG, my friend is adamant that for B licence holders the kerb weight of the car must be more than the mam of the trailer, have you got any info I can direct him to please as he's giving me headache!!
ROG
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https://www.gov.uk/changes-to-the-driving-licence-and-categories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_the_United_Kingdom#Driving_licence_categories
As you can see from both of those links the bit not there is the - MAM of trailer must nor exceed unladen weight of vehicle
It is not there because it has been omitted in the EU directive which came into force on 19/01/2013
There is nowhere which says it is revoked - it has just been omitted by the introduction of the new rules which means that legally it does not apply
If that does not convince him then try this letter from the DVLA gained VIA my MP
ROG
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One more thing - try and find a B towing set up where the trailer can be heavier than the vehicle towing it - its virtually impossible
mischamoo
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I haven't checked but he says it says it on the gov website about kerb weight??
ROG
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They are old laws which the DVLA have not taken down and look in no hurry to do so = prats
ROG
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Back from a 1 week holiday so any Qs outstanding?
Haphazardhacker
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hey have read most of thread so have good idea but just wanna check
1=b
2=1419
3=1820
4=3220/1400
no trailer yet but looking
iw403 / cheval liberte gti / cheval liberte gold one/ bateson
5= 1600 1400 1600 1700
6= 767 720 720 675
From what i have read i would be ok with the gti but would need to down plate the others to 1419
is this correct?
1=b
2=1419
3=1820
4=3220/1400
no trailer yet but looking
iw403 / cheval liberte gti / cheval liberte gold one/ bateson
5= 1600 1400 1600 1700
6= 767 720 720 675
From what i have read i would be ok with the gti but would need to down plate the others to 1419
is this correct?
ROG
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Max plated weight for trailer = 1680 kg
Max actual weight for trailer when loaded = 1400 kg .... because the 1400 is lower than 1680
An IW HB 403 is 780 empty (plated at 1600 so no need to down plate) so you could load that with 620 kg
What vehicle is it? - I ask as if a basic car or estate then the type of surfaces you need to tow on will be restrictive - no slippy stuff
May also be an issue with very steep hills if not a diesel
Haphazardhacker
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Car is kia cee'd 4 sw 1.6 diesel
I know I will have to plan routes carefully as hills won't be easy
Thanks for quick reply
I know I will have to plan routes carefully as hills won't be easy
Thanks for quick reply
ROG
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checked online and they all seem to have 1500 towing capacity - perhaps yours is not listed or an older model?
Haphazardhacker
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http://www.kia.co.uk/~/media/specifications/spec-sheet-ceedsw.ashx
mine is cee'd sw 4 6 speed deisel and these stats actually make my gvw more but towing is 1400
mine is cee'd sw 4 6 speed deisel and these stats actually make my gvw more but towing is 1400
ROG
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Is it 1920 GVW not 1820?
Haphazardhacker
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yeah seems like it
applecart14
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I tow with a Vauxhall Vectra Elite 1.9L TDi.
Its super for towing, does about 48.5 mpg towing, 51.7mpg urban. It tows lovely on the motorways and unlike my Peugeot 406 doesn't struggle on long inclines due to its 160bhp engine (I sound like Jeremy Clarkson).
If you have one horse I don't honestly think you need a big 4x4. My trailer is 650KG and my horse is about 670KG, I have about 280KG spare for me and my tack which is more than enough.
Dads been working on my trailer at home recently - its 20 years old and like new, the floor Dad did with all hardwood and tongue and grooved it. Then he took the sides out and replaced them with new sides, he's painted about three times over the years. Its spotless, a really nice trailer, well looked after and maintained.
Its super for towing, does about 48.5 mpg towing, 51.7mpg urban. It tows lovely on the motorways and unlike my Peugeot 406 doesn't struggle on long inclines due to its 160bhp engine (I sound like Jeremy Clarkson).
If you have one horse I don't honestly think you need a big 4x4. My trailer is 650KG and my horse is about 670KG, I have about 280KG spare for me and my tack which is more than enough.
Dads been working on my trailer at home recently - its 20 years old and like new, the floor Dad did with all hardwood and tongue and grooved it. Then he took the sides out and replaced them with new sides, he's painted about three times over the years. Its spotless, a really nice trailer, well looked after and maintained.
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Nannon
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Hi Rog,
Sorry haven't trawled the pages but my dad asked a valid question earlier to me - I have passed my B+E test but when towing to competitions and getting rosettes does this class as towing for reward (as in hire and reward) and therefore would need CPC training?
Sorry haven't trawled the pages but my dad asked a valid question earlier to me - I have passed my B+E test but when towing to competitions and getting rosettes does this class as towing for reward (as in hire and reward) and therefore would need CPC training?
ROG
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In that case the max MAM for a trailer will be 1580 not 1680 so will need a little down plating
ROG
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No and No
Commercial (H&W) is for making or intending to make a profit
Only Vehicles over 3.5 tonne used commercially need Driver CPC
Only towing combinations where the vehicle GVW added to the trailer plated MAM total over 3500 kg and used commercially need tacho
ROG
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http://www.kezcars.co.uk/used-cars/vauxhall-vectra-1-9-cdti-elite-150-5dr-kettering-201407165849080
If that is your model then it has a GVW of 2005 kg so if on a B only licence (no B+E) then the trailer cannot be plated at more than 1495 kg
Calfie
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Help! Totally confused by all this towing stuff and you see people towing with such a huge variety of vehicles. Husband has made murmurings about changing his car for a 4x4 and I'm hoping whatever he decides on will also be suitable for towing.
Can you please give me a view on the legality of the following:
I have a post 97 license but have passed my b+e
I would be towing an ifor 511 with 1 horse approx 500kg
Potential cars are:
1. Honda CRV EX 2.2 Manual Diesel AWD (2014)
2. Kia Sportage KX-4 2.0 Manual Diesel AWD (2014)
3. Subaru Forester 2.0 Manual Diesel AWD (2014)
Many thanks!
Can you please give me a view on the legality of the following:
I have a post 97 license but have passed my b+e
I would be towing an ifor 511 with 1 horse approx 500kg
Potential cars are:
1. Honda CRV EX 2.2 Manual Diesel AWD (2014)
2. Kia Sportage KX-4 2.0 Manual Diesel AWD (2014)
3. Subaru Forester 2.0 Manual Diesel AWD (2014)
Many thanks!
ROG
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HB511 is about 1000 empty so with horse of 500 that makes 1500 and probably a bit more with other bits and pieces being put into the trailer so any 4x4/AWD with a towing capacity of at least 1600 will be fine - most have a towing capacity well over that
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cloverleaf1985
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Hi ROG, I've been pointed in your direction!
I have a 1.2 5 door Micra, and I'm looking into trailer tents (sorry it's not horse related!)
I passed my test in 2004 and have 'B' on my licence.
Is my car likely to be able to tow anything??
Am I legally allowed to with no extra training?
What is the weight limit I should look for on trailer tents?
What is the difference between laden and unladen?
I hope you can help!
Thanks
I have a 1.2 5 door Micra, and I'm looking into trailer tents (sorry it's not horse related!)
I passed my test in 2004 and have 'B' on my licence.
Is my car likely to be able to tow anything??
Am I legally allowed to with no extra training?
What is the weight limit I should look for on trailer tents?
What is the difference between laden and unladen?
I hope you can help!
Thanks
ROG
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From my internet search it seems the max actual weight your car can tow is 800 kgHi ROG, I've been pointed in your direction!
I have a 1.2 5 door Micra, and I'm looking into trailer tents (sorry it's not horse related!)
I passed my test in 2004 and have 'B' on my licence.
Is my car likely to be able to tow anything??
Am I legally allowed to with no extra training?
What is the weight limit I should look for on trailer tents?
What is the difference between laden and unladen?
I hope you can help!
Thanks
No required training needed but many find a little can help especially if free from a friend
Tiny trailers are often easier to reverse by uncoupling them and moving manually
Laden means loaded
Un-laden means empty
You just need to know the actual weight of the trailer tent and see if its no more than 800 kg
You can tow any of of these - http://www.blackcountrycaravans.co.uk/stocklist/type/new-trailer-tents
cloverleaf1985
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Thank you
With laden/unladen, I meant does unladen mean the entire tent with mattresses etc and laden mean when you add other stuff like sleeping bags, camping equipment etc?
With laden/unladen, I meant does unladen mean the entire tent with mattresses etc and laden mean when you add other stuff like sleeping bags, camping equipment etc?
ROG
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Unladen means nothing is in the trailerThank you
With laden/unladen, I meant does unladen mean the entire tent with mattresses etc and laden mean when you add other stuff like sleeping bags, camping equipment etc?
Laden means something is in the trailer
Fully laden means the trailer is loaded to its maximum plated weight
What is in the trailer has nothing to do with what is in the car if that is what you were thinking