ROG
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friesianfan69
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I have an xtrial 4x4 and have a B licence. So was thinking hopefully a lighter single trailer so as to not have to do a trailer test.
Is that possible?
Is that possible?
friesianfan69
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my car braked towing capacity is 2000kg
Trailer weight would be 767kg ( if ifor williams 401/ 403
Pony 443kg
Car weight 1525 kg
ROG
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To give a definitive answer I need -
GVW of Xtrail which is Max permissible mass on V5 doc or top of the 4 numbers on the weight plate usually hidden uner bonnet or in a door frame
You WILL have to contact IW and have the trailer down plated but to what I cannot say without knowing the Xtrail GVW
friesianfan69
Well-Known Member
Not sure if correct numbers but Top 4 I can see are passenger front x rear ?
2.0 2.0
29 29
What is GVW?
2.0 2.0
29 29
What is GVW?
ROG
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GVW = Gross Vehicle Weight = the max it can legally be when fully loaded
GVW & MAM mean the same thing
MAM is the trailers GVW
Total MAM for B licence towing is 3500 so if GVW is say 2200 then max trailer MAM can be 1300
Have you got the DVLA V5 keepers doc handy to look up the max permissible mass ????
Or is the vehicle handy to look at the weight plate ?
Weight plate will read something like this -
2200
4200
1150
1150
friesianfan69
Well-Known Member
No I’ve not had it back yet as only bought it a week ago. I’ll check when I get home shortly
ROG
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The procedure for down plating a trailer is as follows -
You contact the manufacturer (IW TEL 01490 412626) with all the trailer details including the serial number
You remove/drill out the original plate
You send plate plus money (usually between £10 and £50) to the manufacturer (IW typically charge about £50)
Manufacturer sends you new plate
You fit new plate by using a pop rivet gun
You contact the manufacturer (IW TEL 01490 412626) with all the trailer details including the serial number
You remove/drill out the original plate
You send plate plus money (usually between £10 and £50) to the manufacturer (IW typically charge about £50)
Manufacturer sends you new plate
You fit new plate by using a pop rivet gun
gems122
New User
Hello,
i have used this thread numerous times so thank you for all the information you have provided, i have just passed my B+E test so that i could tow a larger volume, so just needed to confirm that i am above board and legal as i am currently looking for a trailer and to see if i am limited in anyway......
1 -BE
2 - 1685
3 - 2350
4 - 1800 max towing weight
5 - 2000
5 - 850
to carry a 360kg pony and a 600kg horse
many thanks
Gemma
i have used this thread numerous times so thank you for all the information you have provided, i have just passed my B+E test so that i could tow a larger volume, so just needed to confirm that i am above board and legal as i am currently looking for a trailer and to see if i am limited in anyway......
1 -BE
2 - 1685
3 - 2350
4 - 1800 max towing weight
5 - 2000
5 - 850
to carry a 360kg pony and a 600kg horse
many thanks
Gemma
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ROG
Well-Known Member
With that trailer at 2000 MAM and 850 empty you can load a max of 950 into the trailer as you are limited by the 1800 max tow limit
Not enough to load both
You are probably going to need a car with a tow limit of 2000+
gems122
New User
thank you, is it bad for your vehicle if you have a max of 1800 and tow 1800 as i have only just bought it !
i am taking a guess at their weights at the moment so need to have them weighed, if i can only carry one at a time it means i dont have to limit my options and go for any trailer that i wanted .
thank you for your quick response
i am taking a guess at their weights at the moment so need to have them weighed, if i can only carry one at a time it means i dont have to limit my options and go for any trailer that i wanted .
thank you for your quick response
ROG
Well-Known Member
Vehicle tow limits are designed to be used at their max in normal towing situations
gems122
New User
that's perfect thank you
friesianfan69
Well-Known Member
Top 4 numbers are 2050
Sorry only just found them
Sorry only just found them
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ROG
Well-Known Member
2050 GVW means a 401/3 trailer needs to be down plated to 1450 but 1400 will also be ok
friesianfan69
Well-Known Member
Is that inc tack and Haynet etc?
ROG
Well-Known Member
At 1400 you can load 633kg into the trailer
Rachellc
Member
Hi all
Thanks in advance for providing some guidance as to whether my vehicle will tow. I suspect it will NOT be legal to tow, but I am not clued up on towing, so I wanted to rule it out just in case. Also, I am not clear what some of the specifications in the log book relate to and I cannot find any information in the car itself.
Key points:
- Looking to tow 1 horse (16.2 hh)
- Vehicle is Seat Alhambra 2.0 diesel SE Lux 150 Dsg (admittedly we bought it to be a baby bus rather than towing vehicle!)
- As trailer would be hired, there are a couple of options: Option A = HB403, option B = HB506, option C = HB511 (likely A or B)
1. Licence B
2. 1843 kg (described in log book as 'weight in running order with driver'??)
3. 2540 kg (described in log book as MAW??)
4. I'm not clear what this is??
Various other items specified in log book, e.g. MAW front axle = 1280 kg, MAW rear axle = 1310 kg, max trailer weight without brakes = 750 kg, weight of trailer with brakes gradient 80% = 2400 kg, weight of trailer with brakes gradients up to 12% = 2,200 kg.
5. Option A = 1600 / option B = 2600 / option C = 2700 kg
6. Option A = 767 / option B = 920 / option C = 1000 kg
Gut feeling is this is inadequate to tow??! But any guidance appreciated, thank you!!
Thanks in advance for providing some guidance as to whether my vehicle will tow. I suspect it will NOT be legal to tow, but I am not clued up on towing, so I wanted to rule it out just in case. Also, I am not clear what some of the specifications in the log book relate to and I cannot find any information in the car itself.
Key points:
- Looking to tow 1 horse (16.2 hh)
- Vehicle is Seat Alhambra 2.0 diesel SE Lux 150 Dsg (admittedly we bought it to be a baby bus rather than towing vehicle!)
- As trailer would be hired, there are a couple of options: Option A = HB403, option B = HB506, option C = HB511 (likely A or B)
1. Licence B
2. 1843 kg (described in log book as 'weight in running order with driver'??)
3. 2540 kg (described in log book as MAW??)
4. I'm not clear what this is??
Various other items specified in log book, e.g. MAW front axle = 1280 kg, MAW rear axle = 1310 kg, max trailer weight without brakes = 750 kg, weight of trailer with brakes gradient 80% = 2400 kg, weight of trailer with brakes gradients up to 12% = 2,200 kg.
5. Option A = 1600 / option B = 2600 / option C = 2700 kg
6. Option A = 767 / option B = 920 / option C = 1000 kg
Gut feeling is this is inadequate to tow??! But any guidance appreciated, thank you!!
ROG
Well-Known Member
2540 GVW is going to mean B+E licence for towing a horse trailer
Hiring a trailer is also going to mean B+E in 95% of cases as the trailer cannot be down plated to fit with B towing laws
With a B+E licence the maximum actual weight which can be towed with that vehicle is 2400kg
Rachellc
Member
Hi ROG,
Thanks a lot for your very quick guidance. Can I just check I understand you correctly:
1. I would need to pass my B+E test, then
2. I could likely to be able to use any of the trailer options above, however could only tow 1 horse. Would not have the towing capacity to tow 2 horses (and anyway, I would only ever need to tow 1 horse).
I hope I understand you correctly?? Many thanks!!
Thanks a lot for your very quick guidance. Can I just check I understand you correctly:
1. I would need to pass my B+E test, then
2. I could likely to be able to use any of the trailer options above, however could only tow 1 horse. Would not have the towing capacity to tow 2 horses (and anyway, I would only ever need to tow 1 horse).
I hope I understand you correctly?? Many thanks!!
ROG
Well-Known Member
1 = yes
2 = easily tow 2 horses with a 2400 towing capacity ..... trailer 1000 + horse 500 + horse 500 = 2000 with 400 spare
Rachellc
Member
Ah! I was being cautious and considering 700 kg per horse....
Thank you for your guidance and expertise, much appreciated
Thank you for your guidance and expertise, much appreciated
friesianfan69
Well-Known Member
Ive been offered a Requisite 200 c which is 600kg unladen
1600 gross, Would i still need to down plate it?
If so do you know who i need to approach? Robinsons or Cheval Liberte?
ROG
Well-Known Member
Yes it needs down plating to 1450 or less
Seems as thought it is made by Robinsons = By email To: Customer Services (cs@robinsonsequestrian.com) 0344 245 9273
I called the number and they have not dealt with trailers for years and cannot down plate as they do not have the records to do it
you need another trailer
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...10!-Bateson!-Robinsons-Requisite-200-URGENT!&
friesianfan69
Well-Known Member
I spoke to Robinsons today as i knew they longer sold trailers, they gave me Cheval Liberte number as they are made same spec etc along side. Cheval said they can down plate for me
ROG
Well-Known Member
Well that is good news and one bit of info I shall retain for the future - thank you
friesianfan69
Well-Known Member
Yes hes getting back to me today to let me know for definate, ill let you know.
Thankyou for your help
ROG
Well-Known Member
I must admit to never knowing anyone but the manufacturer being able to down plate but I suppose if another company have taken over the trailer section then it should be possible
Elf On A Shelf
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ROG would this set up be ok: Kia Sorento, ifor 505 and a Shetland pony on a straight B licence?
ROG
Well-Known Member
Need to know vehicle GVW
Trailer MAM original is 2340 and 905 empty so that is deffo going to need down plating by IW but to what I do not know until I get vehicle GVW
V5 keepers doc has GVW listed as max permissible mass or is the top of the 4 numbers on the weight plate which is usually hidden in door frame or under bonnet