Christsam
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HAHAHAHA
Lol, bit slow and just this second realised what was being said!!!
Well this is a can of worms
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Lol, bit slow and just this second realised what was being said!!!
Littlelegs
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Diet2ride, I haven't commented on you though? I haven't a clue what size either yourself or your horse are, (youtube playing up) so no idea why you think my comments have been specifically tailored to yourself.
The skinny bashing isn't at all just a return of anything I or others have said. Nobody has made any comments aimed as general insults to everyone who is overweight. Whereas unless I missed something the ff site is pretty much insulting everyone under size 16. You have double standards imo, you say its not your place to say how others conduct themselves. That doesn't seem to apply when its someone making negative comments about horse squashing does it?
The skinny bashing isn't at all just a return of anything I or others have said. Nobody has made any comments aimed as general insults to everyone who is overweight. Whereas unless I missed something the ff site is pretty much insulting everyone under size 16. You have double standards imo, you say its not your place to say how others conduct themselves. That doesn't seem to apply when its someone making negative comments about horse squashing does it?
kerilli
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Hmm, the difference is that alcoholics (and former drug addicts etc) can totally avoid their particular 'poison' - I know some that do, very successfully. They just do not allow themselves near to temptation. But if you are a food addict (the word 'carboholic' has been coined) it is not possible to avoid food for the rest of your life. It becomes a lifelong battle to eat enough to have energy etc but not fall off the cliff and overeat, eat the wrong things (which we are now surrounded with) and yo-yo back up again.
I suspect that 99% of obese people would probably, deep down, just LOVE to wake up one morning in a fit and healthy much lighter body, however much they say they love their size, embrace their curves, feel like a 'real woman' and all that ****.
Nobody ever said it's easy but it is a choice for most people... very very few can say their weight is 100% down to illness, hormones etc. It took a long time to put on that weight, it takes a long time to get rid of it, and it'll be a daily battle against a body which is convinced that a famine is coming and it needs to hang onto every calorie...
Other people validating their size, saying 'it's fine to be 20 stone and still ride" might bolster their confidence but it is just NOT fair on the horses, nothing will ever change my mind on that. And the statement on the FF facebook page that there's a horse out there the right size for everyone just makes me want to scream.
Christsam
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Yeah i did wonder why the comment from littlelegs was picked up on by diet2ride. Though.....and this is probably going to be absolutely slated for me saying this but....... if youre saying everyone is fat bashing and it doesnt matter about weight, etc then why are you dieting to ride?
Christsam
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Also, why should smaller people deserve to be insulted like that? "large people" dont like people insulting them but yet you make derogatory comments to smaller people. At the end of the day, it is unhealthy to be obese, it doesnt just happen overnight and to take your anger out on smaller people is ridiculous. by "you" i dont necessarily mean diet2ride but anyone who makes these comments.
Mardy Mare
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Agree.
What gets me is people always say 'horses used to carry men in armour into war.' What they don't realise is the men were not massive, chunky, six-packed muscle machines you see in the movies. They would have been fit but slim and on rations and smaller than people in general are today. Obviously Knights horses had not only their riders and riders armour to carry but their own armour. Yes the armour would have been heavy, but I think when most people think of knights in armour, their stature is often exaggerated in their mind.
Plus, these horses and men were fighting for their country and lives, so animal welfare was not their top priority.
lula
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I am shocked that FF would condone pics like this..........
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150807346210329&set=o.300209643951&type=1&permPage=1
Hell no I'm not I read some of the MDs comments..........
Suzanne Fuller posting this on her FF fb is nothing short of shockingly hypocritical considering her stance on bullying
(or perhaps its only the group of people you're making money out of you care about standing up for eh Suzanne?)
Indeed, some people that know a little about metabolism would argue that the majority of skinny people have LESS control about being underweight than the majority (Im NOT saying ALL, before i get jumped on..) of overweight people do.
if this isnt encouraging people to mock a portion of society for the way they look then i dont know what is.
outrageous graphic and strap line.
Spring Feather
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This. I have loads of horses, ranging in size from ponies right up to 18.2hhs and not one would happily carry someone over 16 stone and I wouldn't allow it anyway.
Diet2ride, I finally watched your videos. What a nice rider you are. Very calm and gentle and balanced. I think once you do shed the amount of weight you are striving for your horse will look happier, work better and the weightloss will benefit you greatly in many other aspects of life too. Brave of you to post a blog on it and I'm sure myself (and many other 'twigs') wish you much success
Hippona
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That thought did also cross my mind.....
smokey
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I saw this comment yesterday, and decided against commenting, glad you said it though. When I saw the original post I thought it must be a typo. I'm still praying it is!
kerilli
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Jeez, please, let's not have a go at someone who IS trying to lose weight to make things easier for their horse, huh?!
Presumably because she, unlike a lot of the "ffs", is NOT totally delusional and CAN see that the extra weight affects her balance and riding ability as well as her horse...
Christsam
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Hang on. i wasnt having a go at her for trying to lose the weight. This is where i knew id get slated as people would take it the wrong way. My point was merely that she was saying she is fine for her horse and not to slate people who are overweight riding yet she is trying to lose weight. it was not meant to be taken in a nasty way, just wondered why that was all when she said she was overweight and a rider. Sorry diet2ride if i have offended you but it wasnt meant like that, merely a question as in her post she seemed ot be saying she was happy like that.
kerilli
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I can see what you mean, but I infer that you are saying that she is being a bit hypocritical. However, I can see the sense in "I'm okay and I've been assured that my horse is fine carrying my weight of x, but I'd still rather lose weight for my own health/vanity/riding ability/ whatever, and for my horse". I don't see that as hypocritical! Not having a go at you btw.
eahotson
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I have no idea exactly what the maximum weight a fit weight carrying horse can be asked to carry.I expect you would also have to factor in what sort of rider they were and what they wanted to do.A gentle hack round the block twice a week is different from say, hunting.I think most of us have a personal maximum over which we would not be comfortable riding.I came close to my maximum once I think but have managed to loose some.I haven't seen any of the women on the FF page over what I am comfortable with but saw one or two on the plus sized page.If I weighed that much and wanted horse involvement I think I would learn to drive instead.
Christsam
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No i know what you mean. I probably didnt word my question to her properly. I didnt mean to imply that she was being hypocritical, was just interested in ther reasoning
Spring Feather
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Get used to it Sam. It won't be the last time you'll be taken the wrong way on here
People are forever putting their spin on what others say. I agreed with your comment as it was a valid comment. Why do fat people say they are content with their size and then go on diets? It doesn't make sense to me either
ClobellsandBaubles
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Just read the ' it's not a privilege to ride a horse it's a right if you can afford it' 
!!!!!!!
I agree with Kerilli it's not like any other addiction that you can avoid and it is very much a product of modern society NOT an individual over eating. We as humans have not changed fundamentally for many years and yet this epidemic didn't exist in the 70's what does that tell you.
!!!!!!!I agree with Kerilli it's not like any other addiction that you can avoid and it is very much a product of modern society NOT an individual over eating. We as humans have not changed fundamentally for many years and yet this epidemic didn't exist in the 70's what does that tell you.
rhino
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Have a read of D2R's blog sam, to me she doesn't come across as being remotely happy with her weight and level of fitness. She sounds desperately lost and unhappy to me
Christsam
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Get used to it Sam. It won't be the last time you'll be taken the wrong way on here
Thanks
Christsam
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Have a read of D2R's blog sam, to me she doesn't come across as being remotely happy with her weight and level of fitness. She sounds desperately lost and unhappy to me
Yeah im having a read now
dont get me wrong its great that diet2ride is doing this and it is very brave to let the whole world see it as well. Just in her post on here she was letting everyone else have it about saying people may be too heavy for their horseslula
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no, i think you asked a fair question sam.
just my two penneth' worth: but not for a second am i slating over weight riders. As long as you have an up to weight horse bloody good on you.
I do however, think there is a limit and the sad thing about the american thread is a lot of them dont seem to realise it - or want to believe it- and are looking for validation and comfort from each other (and getting it) that 300lbs is not too heavy for 14hh (for example)
This i do think is very sad.. and a little selfish towards your horse. Just because your horse is still standing after you've mounted and hasnt collapsed on to his knees should'nt be used as proof that he's happy with the situation.
People like the evengelical MD of Fuller fillies make me slightly suspicious if her FB page is anything to go by, as im not convinced she's not exploiting others to gain commercial success with lines like 'you're never too heavy to ride'
which is blatantly untrue.
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hairycob
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Yes some people have medical issues tht mean they can't control their weight, but the vast majority (& that includes members of my immediate family) are overweight because they eat too much. You only have to go to a country where food is scarce to realise that. But in the end the reason someone is overweight is irrelevant when it comes to riding a horse. If you are overweight for the horse that is stood in front of you then you are to heavy to ride it. As has been pointed out that can apply to a thin adult & a small pony as much as to an larger adult & a sturdier horse. Anybody who tries to say it's ok is not only being cruel to the horse, they are being cruel to the human in discouraging a healthier lifestyle. To do so for financial gain has to be pretty low
Mongoose11
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I am confused by Diet2ride's continued riding. I think I was very clear on my posts that although I think we should be careful not to insult heavy riders personally, I do think it is right to speak out when someone is obviously too heavy for their horse.
I have read every post on your blog Diet2ride and had done way before this 'can of worms' ever opened. From my own posts on this thread you will be able to see that I am facing a clear battle with obesity and so my comments are not borne out of a lack of empathy or understanding. Your calculations have proved to you that you are too heavy to be riding Nas (who is an absolute stunner by the way and clearly well loved and cared for). Being 3% over his maximum weight carrying ability is significant as far as I am concerned. If I am reading correctly you are now a stone heavier than when you made these calculations and so more than 3% over his weight limit? Or do I have that wrong?
I am currently heading towards my mares top weight and so I have decided that I won't ride for the next 6 weeks in the hope that I will lose a stone before getting on her again. If I lose a stone more quickly then I will get on her.
I wholly support your weight loss journey, I know how hard it is and how you probably go to bed at night wishing it would all have melted away by the morning. I don't support your riding at the moment. I could be completely wrong, but according to the bone/weight calcualtions that we can conduct, Nas, according to his measurements, shouldn't be carrying you at the moment.
No matter how much I sympathise with a person over their obesity issues I can not support continued riding when all the stats suggest that the horse is unable to and shouldn't be asked to carry that weight.
I do hope this post isn't considered hypocritical despite my earlier messages, I made it very clear I didn't like the insults that were being thrown but I wholly supported the idea of people being informed and discouraged from riding if they were indeed too heavy for their horse.
Perhaps we could get together and support each other as we try to lose weight? I do hope that you are not hurt by what I have posted, I am only commenting using the facts, facts I have had to face with my own mare. She does carry me, very happily and I am not over her weight limit but I don't feel right riding her and I don't want to risk her future health, I want her to last forever and this is something I can do to ensure that she doesn't suffer later in life or have to retire early.
Look at her lovely face in my avatar - her and Nas would make a lovely couple (but don't tell Buddy or Buds_mum because she already has a thing going with him).
I have read every post on your blog Diet2ride and had done way before this 'can of worms' ever opened. From my own posts on this thread you will be able to see that I am facing a clear battle with obesity and so my comments are not borne out of a lack of empathy or understanding. Your calculations have proved to you that you are too heavy to be riding Nas (who is an absolute stunner by the way and clearly well loved and cared for). Being 3% over his maximum weight carrying ability is significant as far as I am concerned. If I am reading correctly you are now a stone heavier than when you made these calculations and so more than 3% over his weight limit? Or do I have that wrong?
I am currently heading towards my mares top weight and so I have decided that I won't ride for the next 6 weeks in the hope that I will lose a stone before getting on her again. If I lose a stone more quickly then I will get on her.
I wholly support your weight loss journey, I know how hard it is and how you probably go to bed at night wishing it would all have melted away by the morning. I don't support your riding at the moment. I could be completely wrong, but according to the bone/weight calcualtions that we can conduct, Nas, according to his measurements, shouldn't be carrying you at the moment.
No matter how much I sympathise with a person over their obesity issues I can not support continued riding when all the stats suggest that the horse is unable to and shouldn't be asked to carry that weight.
I do hope this post isn't considered hypocritical despite my earlier messages, I made it very clear I didn't like the insults that were being thrown but I wholly supported the idea of people being informed and discouraged from riding if they were indeed too heavy for their horse.
Perhaps we could get together and support each other as we try to lose weight? I do hope that you are not hurt by what I have posted, I am only commenting using the facts, facts I have had to face with my own mare. She does carry me, very happily and I am not over her weight limit but I don't feel right riding her and I don't want to risk her future health, I want her to last forever and this is something I can do to ensure that she doesn't suffer later in life or have to retire early.
Look at her lovely face in my avatar - her and Nas would make a lovely couple (but don't tell Buddy or Buds_mum because she already has a thing going with him).
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Christsam
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I have just read some of the blog and was just wondering about the 3% over maximum for Nas then surely that is still bad? I would have thought it would be better to be under that level rather than be happy that you are not as far over it as you would have thought? think that makes sense.....
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I think as kerilli and others have said the problem exists because a horse is involved, not say.. a bicycle..
And as said before, said horse really doesn't know/care about why someone is the weight they are, medication, life problems etc it just knows their weight.
Horses are great therapy in a lot of instances.. but noone needs to ride them to use them for this purpose and no welfare need be compromised.
And as said before, said horse really doesn't know/care about why someone is the weight they are, medication, life problems etc it just knows their weight.
Horses are great therapy in a lot of instances.. but noone needs to ride them to use them for this purpose and no welfare need be compromised.
eahotson
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That is a very fair and balanced post which most reasonable people would agree with.
hairycob
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Billie007 - respect!
Wagtail
Horse servant
I am sorry, diet2ride, but you are 23 stone. Add to that the saddle and your clothes and boots, hat etc, you are asking your beautiful horse to carry 25 stone. That is IMO cruel. That is 160 kilos. Add to this that your weight is very top heavy and unbalanced...
Wagtail
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She is 23 stone.
Christsam
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I do think, no offence to anyone intended, that I have a member of the family who is a size 20-22 and she would not ride even if it was a stocky cob. I do think that a person of size 24 (as catered for by FF) is too heavy to be riding most horses. I would have thought that it would be motivation to lose the weight to be able to ride without putting the horse in danger in the meantime by riding it.