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Just simply loving life with Orbi 🥰
Aww manHe won’t eat anything other than Biodura, I’ve tried about 60 billion varieties
What’s going on with my horses feet. :(
- Thread starter poiuytrewq
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Not slacking multitasking
when he says your panicing too much just point out better to deal with it now than when it's worse in a few months time 
FieldOrnaments
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Was prompted to do a bit of digging re. biotin and it seems healthy horses only need 20mg of biotin a day and it's synthesised in plants so access to good varied grazing should be enough; actual 'biotin deficiency' is really rare.
But then there are journal articles which suggest supplementation can help improve horn quality (old one, also old one, another one, slightly less old one, another, then a recent one ).
Also found this: https://ker.com/equinews/biotin-basics/
which was v information and worth reading in full imo but would welcome being directed to other sources too
(Sorry to go off on a biotin tangent.)
But then there are journal articles which suggest supplementation can help improve horn quality (old one, also old one, another one, slightly less old one, another, then a recent one ).
Also found this: https://ker.com/equinews/biotin-basics/
which was v information and worth reading in full imo but would welcome being directed to other sources too
(Sorry to go off on a biotin tangent.)
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sbloom
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This article is more in favour of biotin supplementation, but stresses it needs lysine, fatty acids etc, hence it not being likely that pure biotin is the best option.
Exploring the Benefits of Biotin for Horses: A Supplement for Equine Hoof Health
Dr. Worth delves into the important role of biotin in promoting hoof health. It emphasizes the effectiveness of biotin supplements in improving the growth rate and overall condition of the hoof. Biotin supplementation, often combined with zinc, is backed by equine research as a go-to hoof...
www.foxdenequine.com
I'm Dun
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I beg to differ, im not aware of any farriers on the forumso you do you! And ill stick to my regime
thanks though.
ETA Im not the one looking for advice, might be better responding to OP.
You missing the irony of you telling me not to give advice when you are giving advice is amazing.
I dont care if you want my advice. I care that you are offering appalling advice to other people. Farriers have no nutritional training.
Barton Bounty
Just simply loving life with Orbi 🥰
Well save you breath and tell someone who will care then
I didnt miss it I chose to ignore it as I do all of your posts anyway! I also didnt give advice , I said MY FARRIER SAID…
Have a great day
Highmileagereindeer
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Agree that your farrier needs to take this more seriously, and maybe taking the shoes off would help with the clean up job. Any chance you have had an abscess blow out? There are signs of stress that occurred around two months ago, looking at the rings on the hoof; this could be anything from change of feed, to being bullied, to increase in work etc.. Or it may signal the start of the lesion you are now seeing. Maybe supplements will support the feet in the future, but I'm with you that some intervention is needed now.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Agree, I was supplementing with just biotin for feet 40 years ago on vets advice, I think, but we have (mostlyThis article is more in favour of biotin supplementation, but stresses it needs lysine, fatty acids etc, hence it not being likely that pure biotin is the best option.
Exploring the Benefits of Biotin for Horses: A Supplement for Equine Hoof Health
Dr. Worth delves into the important role of biotin in promoting hoof health. It emphasizes the effectiveness of biotin supplements in improving the growth rate and overall condition of the hoof. Biotin supplementation, often combined with zinc, is backed by equine research as a go-to hoof...www.foxdenequine.com
) moved on since then, as it is realised that there are better options.Unfortunately there are still plenty of nutritional dinosaurs out there proffering outdated advice. I like this forum especially when suspect or outmoded advice gets challenged, it’s certainly helped me a lot to change my equine management for the better.
poiuytrewq
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I’ve not read it yet, will do but as above my dog has really done amazingly on biotin but I do feed it along side salmon oil interestingly. I assume that’s why, to provide fatty acidsThis article is more in favour of biotin supplementation, but stresses it needs lysine, fatty acids etc, hence it not being likely that pure biotin is the best option.
Exploring the Benefits of Biotin for Horses: A Supplement for Equine Hoof Health
Dr. Worth delves into the important role of biotin in promoting hoof health. It emphasizes the effectiveness of biotin supplements in improving the growth rate and overall condition of the hoof. Biotin supplementation, often combined with zinc, is backed by equine research as a go-to hoof...www.foxdenequine.com
poiuytrewq
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I’m wracking my brains trying to think but there’s nothing.
I purposely never change feed etc because he’s a funny one.
I did get another horse the end of August. He’s definitely not being bullied, if anything he bullied the new one.
It’s going to really irritate me trying to think what caused that.
FieldOrnaments
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yeah biotin by itself would be like putting hyluronic acid on your skin but living off mcdonalds and wondering why it's poor quality.This article is more in favour of biotin supplementation, but stresses it needs lysine, fatty acids etc, hence it not being likely that pure biotin is the best option.
Exploring the Benefits of Biotin for Horses: A Supplement for Equine Hoof Health
Dr. Worth delves into the important role of biotin in promoting hoof health. It emphasizes the effectiveness of biotin supplements in improving the growth rate and overall condition of the hoof. Biotin supplementation, often combined with zinc, is backed by equine research as a go-to hoof...www.foxdenequine.com
Foot quality is the product of the WHOLE diet, not just presence/absence of extra biotin.
poiuytrewq
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Farrier was ok actually, In a slightly “I’m humouring you” way but that’s fine!
He has cut a good chunck out of both fronts and cleaned out the grotty stuff.
He also advised the Swan Anti bac hoof stuff. We ordered a few bottles off his supplier while
He was here and he’s told me to get a wire brush or just clean it all out regularly, apply the Swan stuff and see how we go.
Edited as I put vet instead of farrier!
He has cut a good chunck out of both fronts and cleaned out the grotty stuff.
He also advised the Swan Anti bac hoof stuff. We ordered a few bottles off his supplier while
He was here and he’s told me to get a wire brush or just clean it all out regularly, apply the Swan stuff and see how we go.
Edited as I put vet instead of farrier!
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FieldOrnaments
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Was he bullying the new one because he found an addition to a settled herd stressful though?
Gloi
Too little time, too much to read.
If you can persuade the horse to eat it Progressive Earth's Pro Hoof Platinum is really good for hooves. I used it for a long time. Amongst other things sufficient copper and zinc is important for hooves.
You do need to get that seedy toe sorted though ASAP, opening up the area so that oxygen can get to it , then stand soaking in something like Clean trax.
You do need to get that seedy toe sorted though ASAP, opening up the area so that oxygen can get to it , then stand soaking in something like Clean trax.
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TPO
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Iron inhibits the uptake of copper so definitely avoid feeding high iron supplements like seaweed and/or balancer with added iron.
Of course don't take my word for it, never take anything posted on a forum at face value. Do your own research and checks. Empty vessels make the most noise after all.
Second the progressive earth supplement recommendation.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Was it the vet who saw him, not the farrier?
ETA Another tip for assessing as a lay person the extent of any seedy toe is to tap lightly on the hoof wall near to but not over the crack. If a significant area sounds hollow when tapped then it’s time to get serious.
Pinkvboots
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Swan anti bac is brilliant I've used it for years.
poiuytrewq
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thank you for the suggestion.poiuytrewq
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I’ve tried a few times now. I love pro earth stuff but always ends up going into the ponies instead, along with his whole feed
poiuytrewq
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Sorry! No farrier. Not sure how/why I wrote that.
Will edit!
poiuytrewq
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No idea. He is a bit of a thug. Maybe
poiuytrewq
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@Tiddlypom thats a good shout. I have heard that before actually.
I’ll get tapping tomorrow
I’ll get tapping tomorrow
Surbie
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Swan antibac is fantastic stuff. Comes out of the nozzle fairly fast though and you only need a tiny bit.
I have a bottle of cleantrax lying around. It'll be out of date, but if you want to give it a go you're more than welcome to it.
I have a bottle of cleantrax lying around. It'll be out of date, but if you want to give it a go you're more than welcome to it.
poiuytrewq
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I would really appreciate that! I’ve heard such good things about it but it appears not to exist anymore. I’ll message you!