phaseone
Active Member
Although you do 'raise your energy' during each phase, maybe HDT is referring to the steps for the Yo Yo Game contained in the original level one pack and book by Pat Parelli.
What do you think about Parelli?
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HDT
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Phase one can be using your energy alone but not when playing the Yoyo in Level 1, if you read the booklets you will see that. You raise your energy as you wiggle your finger.
As you go up the levels you can refine this, as like now I just look at my pony and he will back up or just point my finger but keeping it still.
The phases I described were for the yoyo and now I realise what you meant.
I have used the same technique of standing by my ponies shoulder, holding the line in my left hand and tapping the line with the carrot stick held in my right hand.
I just kept tapping the line until my pony stepped back, but I still did not resort to hitting him on the head anywhere to enforce what I wanted.
In fact I didn't feel comfortable hitting the line and instead tapped the ground which worked better for me.
HUSfan
I gather the person coming to ride the horse was not a licensed instructor and sorry to say this but there are a lot of people practising Parelli who think they are instructors. This is were Parelli gets a bad name as people who think they are good actually have a lot of bad faults and then go out teaching and helping and then pass on these bad faults.
I am pleased to read someone has mentioned about comman sense, not everyone knows how to use it... if we all had common sence in everything then we'd all be natural born dressage experts or Showjumping experts etc. Also if people in general all used common sense the world would be a better place to live in.... wouldn't it?
Also if common sense is all we had to use, there wouldn't be any horses with behaviour problems caused by us humans.
How many times have I got stuck using my comuter banging my head over something for what seems like an eternity only for my OH to come and solve it in 5 minutes... ah that's what it was...I should have know that ... just takes a bit common sense... at that time until I was shown it wasn't common sense to me...
As you go up the levels you can refine this, as like now I just look at my pony and he will back up or just point my finger but keeping it still.
The phases I described were for the yoyo and now I realise what you meant.
I have used the same technique of standing by my ponies shoulder, holding the line in my left hand and tapping the line with the carrot stick held in my right hand.
I just kept tapping the line until my pony stepped back, but I still did not resort to hitting him on the head anywhere to enforce what I wanted.
In fact I didn't feel comfortable hitting the line and instead tapped the ground which worked better for me.
HUSfan
I gather the person coming to ride the horse was not a licensed instructor and sorry to say this but there are a lot of people practising Parelli who think they are instructors. This is were Parelli gets a bad name as people who think they are good actually have a lot of bad faults and then go out teaching and helping and then pass on these bad faults.
I am pleased to read someone has mentioned about comman sense, not everyone knows how to use it... if we all had common sence in everything then we'd all be natural born dressage experts or Showjumping experts etc. Also if people in general all used common sense the world would be a better place to live in.... wouldn't it?
Also if common sense is all we had to use, there wouldn't be any horses with behaviour problems caused by us humans.
How many times have I got stuck using my comuter banging my head over something for what seems like an eternity only for my OH to come and solve it in 5 minutes... ah that's what it was...I should have know that ... just takes a bit common sense... at that time until I was shown it wasn't common sense to me...
Romansmum
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sorry to be a little blunt about the subject but i feel i have a good relationship with my mare i do not dfollow any phase or steps or anything just common sense, my horse is not a dog she doesn't do tricks but she will let me do anything to her is happy and contended in her herd will try anything that she is asked.
i think that there is sometimes a little too much time spent following set guide lines than just getting to know your horse.
i think that there is sometimes a little too much time spent following set guide lines than just getting to know your horse.
Stella
Well-Known Member
I agree. I came to horses late in life 5 years ago. I educated myself about 'horse body language' so that I could communicate effectively when around any horse and especially with my own. I read a bit of Kelly Marks, Richard Maxwell, Michael Peace. I watched a couple of demos (Kelly Marks and a local bloke who trained with her) and when I got my mare and found I had a major catching problem, I watched a Perreli DVD demo on catching. I didn't try to learn step by step techniques because its pretty clear to me that there is enough variation in equine personaility, temperament and behaviour that it was about learning the basics of the way horses communicate and placing that in the context of the situation concerned, that would dictate the correct way to go.
That is about common sense I think. I needed to know a bit about 'horse body language' to keep safe and communicate effectively, but that does not require an expensive heavily structured programme. Each to their own. Some people enjoy working through Parrelli and 'equine ethology'. I do sometimes get a sense from some near me who do that, that they feel I don't have the relationship they have with their horses and that my horse is missing out because I don't follow it. I don't follow it because I don't need it. I have done join up with my mare and we have a lovely respectful relationship. I can move her around and put her where I want to without using any aggression, she enjoys being with me and she knows that out of the two of us, I'm lead mare. Thats enough for me. I don't need her to do tricks like standing on platforms etc.
That is about common sense I think. I needed to know a bit about 'horse body language' to keep safe and communicate effectively, but that does not require an expensive heavily structured programme. Each to their own. Some people enjoy working through Parrelli and 'equine ethology'. I do sometimes get a sense from some near me who do that, that they feel I don't have the relationship they have with their horses and that my horse is missing out because I don't follow it. I don't follow it because I don't need it. I have done join up with my mare and we have a lovely respectful relationship. I can move her around and put her where I want to without using any aggression, she enjoys being with me and she knows that out of the two of us, I'm lead mare. Thats enough for me. I don't need her to do tricks like standing on platforms etc.
Skhosu
Well-Known Member
Am I the only one who thinks in parelli, same as some other systems, the horse is only doing what he's asked because he's afraid of what happens if he doesn't?
RLF
Well-Known Member
nope TripleSandH, my horse does as shes asked because i asked her nicely, she wont be afraid of not doing it because all i will do is ask her again and again until she does it (but usually she will do it first time) so no need for repeating my aids.
Although i do think Parelli is a 'cult' rather than a 'style' I have only read a third of this thread and cannot believe how many brain washed followers have registered, just to jump on the Parelli bandwagon.
I'm gonna count to 10 and when i do you Paralli followers will wake up and smell the coffee, (and the horse s**t)..
Although i do think Parelli is a 'cult' rather than a 'style' I have only read a third of this thread and cannot believe how many brain washed followers have registered, just to jump on the Parelli bandwagon.
I'm gonna count to 10 and when i do you Paralli followers will wake up and smell the coffee, (and the horse s**t)..
MaryG
New User
Parelli Marketing is amazing. They have put over £1,000,000 into Horse and Country TV for marketing purposes and they have had full page ads in all the horse magazines for over a year now and stands at all the major shows. Plus this new 'presence' at Stoneleigh is obviously costing them but they are obviously going to get it back ten times over as people are so gullible they want to be sold 'miracles' in expensive packs. They will watch a show with lots of smalzy music and be told they just need the pack and their horse 'will love and respect them', don't they wonder why the handlers need to carry a whip all the time - whether that is the reason the horse 'loves' them so much?
With big clips to hit them under the chin and a big 'carrot' stick to hit them but sold as 'love, leadership and respect'. I feel I'm entitled to speak on this - I was a mug sold the whole package to start with! The reason there are so many people speaking up for Parelli is that all members have been emailed and directed to this site - I am sure they have their professional admin on here as well. I've learned enough from insiders of the organisation to know it's a pure marketing machine. Promise big deliver little.
With big clips to hit them under the chin and a big 'carrot' stick to hit them but sold as 'love, leadership and respect'. I feel I'm entitled to speak on this - I was a mug sold the whole package to start with! The reason there are so many people speaking up for Parelli is that all members have been emailed and directed to this site - I am sure they have their professional admin on here as well. I've learned enough from insiders of the organisation to know it's a pure marketing machine. Promise big deliver little.
Stella
Well-Known Member
It does seem to have a lot in common with a cult .... if it looks like a cult and sounds like a cult ......
Skhosu
Well-Known Member
RLF-I think you have mistaken my comment as I think you don't do parelli? I meant that when parelli is used, is the horse only doing as told because it's afraid of being hit on the nose as described!
silversox
Well-Known Member
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Parelli Marketing is amazing. They have put over £1,000,000 into Horse and Country TV for marketing purposes and they have had full page ads in all the horse magazines for over a year now and stands at all the major shows. Plus this new 'presence' at Stoneleigh is obviously costing them but they are obviously going to get it back ten times over as people are so gullible they want to be sold 'miracles' in expensive packs. They will watch a show with lots of smalzy music and be told they just need the pack and their horse 'will love and respect them', don't they wonder why the handlers need to carry a whip all the time - whether that is the reason the horse 'loves' them so much?
With big clips to hit them under the chin and a big 'carrot' stick to hit them but sold as 'love, leadership and respect'. I feel I'm entitled to speak on this - I was a mug sold the whole package to start with! The reason there are so many people speaking up for Parelli is that all members have been emailed and directed to this site - I am sure they have their professional admin on here as well. I've learned enough from insiders of the organisation to know it's a pure marketing machine. Promise big deliver little.
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Well, isn't that funny. Just so happens that the YO at the demonstration/clinic last weekend is the Media and Marketing Director of Horse & Country TV!!!!
Talk about good marketing, - bl***y expensive, as well!!!
Parelli Marketing is amazing. They have put over £1,000,000 into Horse and Country TV for marketing purposes and they have had full page ads in all the horse magazines for over a year now and stands at all the major shows. Plus this new 'presence' at Stoneleigh is obviously costing them but they are obviously going to get it back ten times over as people are so gullible they want to be sold 'miracles' in expensive packs. They will watch a show with lots of smalzy music and be told they just need the pack and their horse 'will love and respect them', don't they wonder why the handlers need to carry a whip all the time - whether that is the reason the horse 'loves' them so much?
With big clips to hit them under the chin and a big 'carrot' stick to hit them but sold as 'love, leadership and respect'. I feel I'm entitled to speak on this - I was a mug sold the whole package to start with! The reason there are so many people speaking up for Parelli is that all members have been emailed and directed to this site - I am sure they have their professional admin on here as well. I've learned enough from insiders of the organisation to know it's a pure marketing machine. Promise big deliver little.
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Talk about good marketing, - bl***y expensive, as well!!!
JLav
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Don't know how many people are still following this thread but can any of the Parelli advocates show me some videos of a Parelli trained horse doing dressage movements correctly ie collected and extended walk, trot and canter, shoulder-in, travers, half pass in trot and canter, flying changes, piouettes etc.
ThomasTank
Well-Known Member
I doubt it but they can follow a carrot
Barbacus
New User
Hi, my horse could be called parelli trained I guess, I've followed their system for many years, but also am open to instruction and advice from other trainers too. My horse is a young PB trakehner and I love dressage. I schooled him just today and we are starting to get some really nice stuff happening. We were working today on fluid, balanced and round transitions into canter and we found some! I was so chuffed. He is working nicely in walk, trot and canter and we can do shoulder in, travers renvers etc - I have a dressage lesson in a few weeks where I hope to begin working towards half pass. My horse in well muscled, has a good topline and is physically strong. I work hard to ensure he moves in a balanced and careful way, but also that he is good in his mind too - which the parelli helps with. I hope this helps... there are a few of us out there that support parelli but are not necessarily brainwashed cult followers.
bellablaze
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Don't know how many people are still following this thread but can any of the Parelli advocates show me some videos of a Parelli trained horse doing dressage movements correctly ie collected and extended walk, trot and canter, shoulder-in, travers, half pass in trot and canter, flying changes, piouettes etc.
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I don't want to get into this discussion because I think that all training methods have their good and bad points but I thought these couple of links may be of interest.
http://www.horsesdaily.com/news/dressage/2003/03dev/sep24_parelli.html
http://www.pnh.at/KAREN-spot.mp4
I hope they work.
Don't know how many people are still following this thread but can any of the Parelli advocates show me some videos of a Parelli trained horse doing dressage movements correctly ie collected and extended walk, trot and canter, shoulder-in, travers, half pass in trot and canter, flying changes, piouettes etc.
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I don't want to get into this discussion because I think that all training methods have their good and bad points but I thought these couple of links may be of interest.
http://www.horsesdaily.com/news/dressage/2003/03dev/sep24_parelli.html
http://www.pnh.at/KAREN-spot.mp4
I hope they work.
phaseone
Active Member
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Although i do think Parelli is a 'cult' rather than a 'style' I have only read a third of this thread and cannot believe how many brain washed followers have registered, just to jump on the Parelli bandwagon.
I'm gonna count to 10 and when i do you Paralli followers will wake up and smell the coffee, (and the horse s**t)..
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FYO this forum is open to all. I've been visiting it for years admitedly as a lurker (is that against your rules too?). I've been reading H & H since the seventies by the way and have a vision far beyond Parelli, so, no brainwashing there
It is interesting that, when all else fails, people feel the need to isolate and victimise supporters of Parelli. If clicker training became as well marketed I expect supporters of that method would suffer a similar fate. RLF, your comments are offensive, especially as you have not even taken to tiime to read all of the contributions before offering your opinion. Whilst others have attenpted to remain constructive and debate this issue, you have ensured that the tone of the thread is reduced once again.
Although i do think Parelli is a 'cult' rather than a 'style' I have only read a third of this thread and cannot believe how many brain washed followers have registered, just to jump on the Parelli bandwagon.
I'm gonna count to 10 and when i do you Paralli followers will wake up and smell the coffee, (and the horse s**t)..
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It is interesting that, when all else fails, people feel the need to isolate and victimise supporters of Parelli. If clicker training became as well marketed I expect supporters of that method would suffer a similar fate. RLF, your comments are offensive, especially as you have not even taken to tiime to read all of the contributions before offering your opinion. Whilst others have attenpted to remain constructive and debate this issue, you have ensured that the tone of the thread is reduced once again.
gemmah
Member
I don't recall anyone asking any of you if your horses only jump cos they're affraid of being smacked if they don't, or only pull up cos they're affraid of the pain they'd feel from hauling on the bit if they didn't? Probably because that is highly unlikely to be the case, but think on how u wld feel if that were implied? It seems some of u must have seen some very bad examples of natural horsemanship in general, but are all blondes thick just cos u met a dumb one once, and do all red cars go faster just cos you've seen a few ferraris??
I don't know about other people's horses on this site, but I can assure u my horse will not tollerate ANY kind of rudeness, unfair pressure or bullying, and if she feels unhappy or affraid in anyway she will let u know! If you're lucky u will just get nothing done, if you're unlucky she will deposit u swiftly and unceremoniously on your backside, and, or in the local A+E, something she has done many times in her life to several people! (Yes including me a couple of times when I've got it wrong!) As I said, I don't know what you have witnessed, but please don't just assume that everyone is the same!
I don't know about other people's horses on this site, but I can assure u my horse will not tollerate ANY kind of rudeness, unfair pressure or bullying, and if she feels unhappy or affraid in anyway she will let u know! If you're lucky u will just get nothing done, if you're unlucky she will deposit u swiftly and unceremoniously on your backside, and, or in the local A+E, something she has done many times in her life to several people! (Yes including me a couple of times when I've got it wrong!) As I said, I don't know what you have witnessed, but please don't just assume that everyone is the same!
Tina33
Member
I was just on the Parelli website and they have made another push for the faithful to come and post here! This time they actually posted this forum address on their official message board.
I just find that interesting. I wonder if we will see another wave of supporters? That seems so cult like.
I just find that interesting. I wonder if we will see another wave of supporters? That seems so cult like.
Stella
Well-Known Member
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I was just on the Parelli website and they have made another push for the faithful to come and post here! This time they actually posted this forum address on their official message board.
I just find that interesting. I wonder if we will see another wave of supporters? That seems so cult like.
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I was just on the Parelli website and they have made another push for the faithful to come and post here! This time they actually posted this forum address on their official message board.
I just find that interesting. I wonder if we will see another wave of supporters? That seems so cult like.
[/ QUOTE ] Maybe we should post a link to their message board so that we can all go and continue our debate on there
silversox
Well-Known Member
maryhodgson
New User
Gemma, Sharon suggested this might be a way of getting hold of you! I want to invite you to our Play Day but don't have any contact details. E-mail me at mary@trethellan.com if you are interested. Mary
JLav
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the links Bellablaze.
The first one though is just about a horse called Parelli not a Parelli trained horse.
Couldn't get the second link to work so will try again later.
The first one though is just about a horse called Parelli not a Parelli trained horse.
Couldn't get the second link to work so will try again later.
oldnumpty
New User
I am very excited about Parelli coming to Stoneleigh. Having started out as a sceptic I am now a firm supporter. Like others I have met on courses and some of the writers of earlier messages, I have had a long association with horses. In my case I spent my teens at the local riding school, joined pony club and went on to get my BHSAI, work with horses and eventually own my own. It was one particular pony who showed me that I wasn't as good as I thought I was and Parelli/equine ethology has helped me fill in some of the gaps.
It's good to see H&H is now open minded enough to encourage this discussion. There was a time when only sister magazine 'Horse' would give any positive coverage to Natural Horsemanship. British Horse, the BHS magazine has now carried an advert for the Parelli 2 day show at Birmingham and is giving away tickets in a competition, which is also encouraging.
Parelli has saved me and my 'naughty' pony from a future of stronger bits and tighter controls. I am sure we both benefit from that. Pony Club and BHS philosophy always was that the ideal is to be able to ride your horse in nothing more severe than a snaffle bit and caveson noseband without the use of a martingale if possible. Parelli shows us how to achieve it! Its not a quick fix of course. It takes time and patience to learn any new skill. Those who have the right mix of assertiveness and empathy already combined with perceptiveness and feel, will learn it quickly. The rest of us take a bit longer but it will be worth it!
If having Parelli at Stoneleigh gives an opportunity for more Parelli training in the UK and a more open minded BHS, I am all for it.
Call me an Old Numpty if you must, I'm still hooked on Parelli!
It's good to see H&H is now open minded enough to encourage this discussion. There was a time when only sister magazine 'Horse' would give any positive coverage to Natural Horsemanship. British Horse, the BHS magazine has now carried an advert for the Parelli 2 day show at Birmingham and is giving away tickets in a competition, which is also encouraging.
Parelli has saved me and my 'naughty' pony from a future of stronger bits and tighter controls. I am sure we both benefit from that. Pony Club and BHS philosophy always was that the ideal is to be able to ride your horse in nothing more severe than a snaffle bit and caveson noseband without the use of a martingale if possible. Parelli shows us how to achieve it! Its not a quick fix of course. It takes time and patience to learn any new skill. Those who have the right mix of assertiveness and empathy already combined with perceptiveness and feel, will learn it quickly. The rest of us take a bit longer but it will be worth it!
If having Parelli at Stoneleigh gives an opportunity for more Parelli training in the UK and a more open minded BHS, I am all for it.
Call me an Old Numpty if you must, I'm still hooked on Parelli!
MaryG
New User
Another Parelli PR person saying everything you want to hear! Of course the BHS, H & H are going to support them if they're spending £millions in advertising! So now you don't use a martingale - but you have to carry an orange stick around with you everywhere - I know which I'd prefer! You stop horses by continually 'disengaging the hind quarters' (remember I have the packs!) great - they stop - but what discipline can you use them for after that and what is it doing to their neck and side muscles? Linda Parelli brings a trained dressage horse over here - they are constantly travelling doing clinics - who has trained her horse? - obviously someone else that can ride!
SavvyHorse
Member
You must have the old packs, this is why they brought out the new packs so that people didn't do DHQ all the time. This is only used for teaching the horse to not be so emotional, when you have mental fitness with the horse then you can go to working on emotional fitness and only then can you work on physical fitness with them. This means that you must get some respect first, then find the impulsion (not impulsiveness!) and then work on your outline.
You should not continue to DHQ but you should refine things quickly so that you can ask your horse to come down with just the lift of one rein, getting him to move sideways or shoulder in to regain his mind on what he and you are doing rather than running off.
Also you do not have to carry the CS everywhere you go...again REFINE everything but at the horses pace so some horses are taught quickly, some are not...same with humans. Some humans take way too long in the levels but some humans don't. Some people completely miss the point that everything in Level 1 is for learning and is a gross motor skill, Level 2 things should be more refined and by Level 3 things should be where you cannot see so much movement from the human but more from the horse. Basically the same as most teaching but some students don't refine early enough but that's the students not the system!
The system tries to teach humans to win the horses mind and emotions first and then do the refined stuff for competitions etc so that it should all look pretty much like everyone else does but with the knowledge that the horses mind and emotions are ready for the physical stuff.
Also Linda trains her own horses, she takes one or the other of her horses to the clinics and Pat takes one of his horses to clincs too. They do not travel so much for clinics but for demo's, their clinics are at their centres in Colorado and Florida!
You should not continue to DHQ but you should refine things quickly so that you can ask your horse to come down with just the lift of one rein, getting him to move sideways or shoulder in to regain his mind on what he and you are doing rather than running off.
Also you do not have to carry the CS everywhere you go...again REFINE everything but at the horses pace so some horses are taught quickly, some are not...same with humans. Some humans take way too long in the levels but some humans don't. Some people completely miss the point that everything in Level 1 is for learning and is a gross motor skill, Level 2 things should be more refined and by Level 3 things should be where you cannot see so much movement from the human but more from the horse. Basically the same as most teaching but some students don't refine early enough but that's the students not the system!
The system tries to teach humans to win the horses mind and emotions first and then do the refined stuff for competitions etc so that it should all look pretty much like everyone else does but with the knowledge that the horses mind and emotions are ready for the physical stuff.
Also Linda trains her own horses, she takes one or the other of her horses to the clinics and Pat takes one of his horses to clincs too. They do not travel so much for clinics but for demo's, their clinics are at their centres in Colorado and Florida!
phaseone
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Parelli Marketing is amazing. They have put over £1,000,000 into Horse and Country TV for marketing purposes and they have had full page ads in all the horse magazines for over a year now and stands at all the major shows.
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And how would you know this MaryG? Hasn't this got something to do with Sky TV? Parelli TV shows are going to be accessible on Sky and some are currently viewable on Horse and Country TV.
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just need the pack and their horse 'will love and respect them', don't they wonder why the handlers need to carry a whip all the time - whether that is the reason the horse 'loves' them so much?
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Is that what you thought if you sold the packs yourself? Did you really think it following the Parelli system would be that easy?
It takes intelligence and considerable commitment. A horse may well respect you but why should it love you? It IS a horse after all and you are a mere human!
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The reason there are so many people speaking up for Parelli is that all members have been emailed and directed to this site - I am sure they have their professional admin on here as well.
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I got no email at all MaryG.
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I've learned enough from insiders of the organisation to know it's a pure marketing machine. Promise big deliver little.
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Sounds like you have a bit of an axe to grind MaryG. Many people have profited out of the Parellis. Countless instructors have left and set up on their own after having the benefit of years of training with Pat Parelli. Pat always gives credit to those who have helped him along the way. Strange that so many seem to experience amnesia once they leave the Parelli organisation.
Parelli Marketing is amazing. They have put over £1,000,000 into Horse and Country TV for marketing purposes and they have had full page ads in all the horse magazines for over a year now and stands at all the major shows.
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And how would you know this MaryG? Hasn't this got something to do with Sky TV? Parelli TV shows are going to be accessible on Sky and some are currently viewable on Horse and Country TV.
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just need the pack and their horse 'will love and respect them', don't they wonder why the handlers need to carry a whip all the time - whether that is the reason the horse 'loves' them so much?
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Is that what you thought if you sold the packs yourself? Did you really think it following the Parelli system would be that easy?
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The reason there are so many people speaking up for Parelli is that all members have been emailed and directed to this site - I am sure they have their professional admin on here as well.
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I got no email at all MaryG.
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I've learned enough from insiders of the organisation to know it's a pure marketing machine. Promise big deliver little.
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Sounds like you have a bit of an axe to grind MaryG. Many people have profited out of the Parellis. Countless instructors have left and set up on their own after having the benefit of years of training with Pat Parelli. Pat always gives credit to those who have helped him along the way. Strange that so many seem to experience amnesia once they leave the Parelli organisation.
Rainbow2007
New User
This is a fascinating thread. I have read a lot but not all. Shame there is so much missinformation about Parelli. It is not all about little orange sticks.
As is obvious I am a Parelli user and it has produced very good horses for us, but it is very difficult to learn it all from a program and you do really need some instruction to prevent adopting the wrong approach.
One of the problems with Parelli I feel are the students themselves who think they have found the only way to train a horse and put Parelli into a religious cult status.
The other thing that they fail to take on board is that Parelli is a business and a very successful one. Every business needs to see a gap in the market, create a need for it, and generate repeat business. This Parelli does very successfully. I am quite happy to accept it on those terms and feel no need to contribute to a book of thanks for accepting my money.
The levels system is artificial and is there to keep you on side. There is strictly no need for it. I know of people who have wasted a lot of time going through the levels and not achieving the result, then have changed over to another trainer who has addressed the problem and gone forward. Also with the system it has diverted them from what they originally intended to do with their horses.
Many of the Parelli posters here seem to have come from the Keep it Natural group. Those there have become as narrowminded as they accuse you of being. They cannot accept mention of any other instructor or method that is not Parelli. Instructors they have raved about suddenly become persona non grata if they leave. You would think that they would want to do the best for their horse and at least discuss the relevance of doing things differently. But the system locks you into doing it a certain way or you will not pass your next level.
There are other things in the program that just feel like doing it for the sake of doing. Take passenger lessons. It bored my horse and me and we dispensed with it. The horse just feels lost. When trouble occurs he wants to know you are with him.
As for myself, I keep in touch with it and take the good and toss out the dross.
I hope I have put a bit of balance to this subject.
As is obvious I am a Parelli user and it has produced very good horses for us, but it is very difficult to learn it all from a program and you do really need some instruction to prevent adopting the wrong approach.
One of the problems with Parelli I feel are the students themselves who think they have found the only way to train a horse and put Parelli into a religious cult status.
The other thing that they fail to take on board is that Parelli is a business and a very successful one. Every business needs to see a gap in the market, create a need for it, and generate repeat business. This Parelli does very successfully. I am quite happy to accept it on those terms and feel no need to contribute to a book of thanks for accepting my money.
The levels system is artificial and is there to keep you on side. There is strictly no need for it. I know of people who have wasted a lot of time going through the levels and not achieving the result, then have changed over to another trainer who has addressed the problem and gone forward. Also with the system it has diverted them from what they originally intended to do with their horses.
Many of the Parelli posters here seem to have come from the Keep it Natural group. Those there have become as narrowminded as they accuse you of being. They cannot accept mention of any other instructor or method that is not Parelli. Instructors they have raved about suddenly become persona non grata if they leave. You would think that they would want to do the best for their horse and at least discuss the relevance of doing things differently. But the system locks you into doing it a certain way or you will not pass your next level.
There are other things in the program that just feel like doing it for the sake of doing. Take passenger lessons. It bored my horse and me and we dispensed with it. The horse just feels lost. When trouble occurs he wants to know you are with him.
As for myself, I keep in touch with it and take the good and toss out the dross.
I hope I have put a bit of balance to this subject.
clipclop
Well-Known Member
Rainbow, Will you join the forum properly as a member? We can't get enough of balanced, intelligent people like yourself.
I love your reply.
I love your reply.
jayvee
Well-Known Member
Bring on Parelli for UK. It's great news, I have learnt soo much in a few weeks than in a life time! Granted there are things that are not new and they don't claim to saying it's theirs! But it's a wonderful way to be with and connect to horses.
If no-ones tried it, you should! Open up your mind for once. I have and soooo wish I knew all about this years ago!!!!!!!!!
If no-ones tried it, you should! Open up your mind for once. I have and soooo wish I knew all about this years ago!!!!!!!!!
phaseone
Active Member
Rainbow you raise a number of interesting points to consider. As someone who says they are familiar with the Parelli system you are aware of the benefits it can bring to both horse and human. I respect your opinion and I hope that you will respect mine.
Some people, it is true, think that the only way forward is Parelli/Quantum Savvy/Clicker Training and so on. For them it feels true and right. It might be the most inspiring and enlightening thing for them in that moment. How long is a moment? Well, that's another matter....The important thing for me is that people are excited about learning and find horses and horsemanship fun again.
Many people haven't been near an instructor since childhood. The rise of natural horsemanship is encouraging thousands to go back to the class room -so to speak- and learn. What's more, enjoy learning. To me, that has to be good.
If a business giant achieved this, so what. Pat Parelli began his mission to change the face of horsemanship, as well as to put food on the table for his family. The heart of the organisation is still beating and is still true. The programme helps people learn techniques up to a certain level. After level three they know enough themselves to be able to identify which direction they want/need to take.
Prior to that mixing and matching techniques and methods leads to confusion for horse and human. Great if you managed to separate all the conflicting information. I couldn't do it and I'm very well educated. The conflicts occur not because a technique is wrong, but, as Pat says, it is just different.
The levels system isn't a business ploy to extract money from people. If it was to be thought of in this way, where does that leave the university system? It is a logical well put together system people can learn from. One of the main pitfalls is the person's own lack of imagination when it comes to using the techniques and applying the principles taught.
You referred to the Keep it Natural Google group. This group was set up specifically for Parelli students when the Parelli franchise collapsed in the UK, Australia and NZ. It has always remained focused on Parelli and why not?
If you take your reference to business as an example, when instructors leave Parelli why should we treat them as though they still belong? When someone leaves employment, they leave, don't they? They make choices and some leave.
Parelli has grown through hard, hard work and dedication. Many may well feel jealous and some feel threatened, but I for one wish it had all happened years ago. The conference at the NEC is going to be a fabulous experience for all who witness it.
Some people, it is true, think that the only way forward is Parelli/Quantum Savvy/Clicker Training and so on. For them it feels true and right. It might be the most inspiring and enlightening thing for them in that moment. How long is a moment? Well, that's another matter....The important thing for me is that people are excited about learning and find horses and horsemanship fun again.
Many people haven't been near an instructor since childhood. The rise of natural horsemanship is encouraging thousands to go back to the class room -so to speak- and learn. What's more, enjoy learning. To me, that has to be good.
If a business giant achieved this, so what. Pat Parelli began his mission to change the face of horsemanship, as well as to put food on the table for his family. The heart of the organisation is still beating and is still true. The programme helps people learn techniques up to a certain level. After level three they know enough themselves to be able to identify which direction they want/need to take.
Prior to that mixing and matching techniques and methods leads to confusion for horse and human. Great if you managed to separate all the conflicting information. I couldn't do it and I'm very well educated. The conflicts occur not because a technique is wrong, but, as Pat says, it is just different.
The levels system isn't a business ploy to extract money from people. If it was to be thought of in this way, where does that leave the university system? It is a logical well put together system people can learn from. One of the main pitfalls is the person's own lack of imagination when it comes to using the techniques and applying the principles taught.
You referred to the Keep it Natural Google group. This group was set up specifically for Parelli students when the Parelli franchise collapsed in the UK, Australia and NZ. It has always remained focused on Parelli and why not?
If you take your reference to business as an example, when instructors leave Parelli why should we treat them as though they still belong? When someone leaves employment, they leave, don't they? They make choices and some leave.
Parelli has grown through hard, hard work and dedication. Many may well feel jealous and some feel threatened, but I for one wish it had all happened years ago. The conference at the NEC is going to be a fabulous experience for all who witness it.
Rainbow2007
New User
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Rainbow, Will you join the forum properly as a member? We can't get enough of balanced, intelligent people like yourself.
I love your reply.
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Thank you Bonzabean for your flattery
though not sure if I go along with your comments.
Not sure what I can contribute as I am very much in the NH camp and feel a little out classed here.
Rainbow, Will you join the forum properly as a member? We can't get enough of balanced, intelligent people like yourself.
I love your reply.
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Thank you Bonzabean for your flattery
Not sure what I can contribute as I am very much in the NH camp and feel a little out classed here.