What type of coloured is she?

[wallykissmas]

Sorry - I've confused you.



If you took the white away, he's be bay.

If you then took agouti away, he'd be black. (Agouti causes bay on a black horse, but has no effect on a chestnut horse.)

I'd call him a bay tobiano.

Doesn't take much to confuse me

Thanks.

 

[Enfys]

Would saying bay skewbald, chestnut skewbald, blue roan skewbald, buckskin skewbald (with lots of white) and dun skewbald help?

PMSL. NOT if you said that here, you'd be met with blank looks

Most people I know wouldn't bother with differentiating between tobiano and overo either.

It would be the bay paint, sorrel (or red) paint, blue paint and the buckskin paint either with, or without, the green halter (and if no halter, one has four whites)

 

[FfionWinnie]

Agree bay tobiano which is my fave coloured colour . Lovely horse. Lucky you

 

[el_Snowflakes]

dont know...tri-coloured maybe?

shes lovely tho- looks well put together

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Just correcting a mistake RE Chimeras.

It's when twin embrios (identical twins) fuse in utero very, very early on in development.

^ it should say non-identical twins.

Sorry for the confusion - I really should check what I write before I click post.

 

[JustAnotherNeddy]

Rather irritates me when people still call horses tri colored, piebald, skewbald etc, but not as much as when people refuse to use the proper terms.

These are not 'American' terms, these are the proper genetic terms, and not hard to master!

But nothing annoys me more than any horse with spots, no matter how few, or how the horse is bred, being labeled an Appaloosa!

This absolutely drives me up the walls. At one point i just stopped correcting people. But I could not stop myself when at the KNN grading the other week, some women said 'why are those horses in appaloosa classes, they're white?!' I gently corrected them that these were Knabstruppers, what a few spot was and its influence in breeding. They looked at me blankly and say, 'oh so it IS just white then.' NO! Angers me! Haha!

 

[EimerR]

Tri Coloured definatly, and a lovely one at that

 

[Meowy Catkin]

dont know...tri-coloured maybe?

shes lovely tho- looks well put together

Tri Coloured definatly, and a lovely one at that

No, no, no!

*stamps foot*

Get up to date you two - the colour is bay tobiano.

 

[Crugeran Celt]

I once had a bay pony with 4 wite socks and a small white star, her sire was black and I believe her mother was chestnut. She always had dapples in the spring and summer, these would not show in her winter coat. At about the age of 17 her dapples in her summer coat started to turn grey so she had a dark coat with grey dapples again these did not show in her winter coat. Would be very interested to know why this happened so late in her life,. Sorry no photos as she died some years ago before digital photos!

 

[jakkibag]

Here are my three for you Faracat. Lol I have a fair idea what they are, sorry pic isn't great.

 

[biccie1]

I posted mine a few months back with a few replies. I am really interested in all the colour genetics we know about now. Here's my boy:

In a strop after a bath:

You can just about see the roaning on his ears, when clipped this is really obvious:

From this angle you can see the small markings on his side. This is all he has on his body:

Face markings and showing brown and black in tail:

Face marking are almost identical on both sides:

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I once had a bay pony with 4 white socks and a small white star, her sire was black and I believe her mother was chestnut. She always had dapples in the spring and summer, these would not show in her winter coat. At about the age of 17 her dapples in her summer coat started to turn grey so she had a dark coat with grey dapples again these did not show in her winter coat. Would be very interested to know why this happened so late in her life,. Sorry no photos as she died some years ago before digital photos!

Her dam must have carried agouti which doesn't show on a chestnut. She would have inherited one chestnut gene from her dam and one black gene from her sire. black is dominant over chestnut so she was black based and the agouti diluted her body colour, thus making her bay.

The dapples turning 'grey' is unusual, but she can't have had the true Grey gene, so possibly an old age thing?

Here are my three for you Faracat. Lol I have a fair idea what they are, sorry pic isn't great.

Could you please post better photos of all three?

At first glance, they look possibly like a grey, buckskin/bay dun and bay tobiano, but I do need clearer photos to say with more certainty. Also, what breed is the middle horse?

I posted mine a few months back with a few replies. I am really interested in all the colour genetics we know about now. Here's my boy:


You can just about see the roaning on his ears, when clipped this is really obvious:

As there are no black tips on the ears, I think that the base colour is chestnut. You've definitely got tobiano and sabino there.

 

[CinnamonChristmasCookie]

I'd catch the first. All are lovely, but first is just my type, very pretty. Would have f.a. to do with whether I thought it tri coloured, I'd just catch it & do one!

PMSL, I'd do the same with the second!

What's my boy? Very jagged edges to the colour when clipped, passport says skewbald, colour is more dark brown than black:

And what is this amazing looking creature (found on Facebook, no idea who he is)

 

[jakkibag]

Lol thanks Faracat, it will be too easy if i post close ups and breeds though lol!!, the breeds, ConniexCob, HighlandxPre, Cob.

This is a very old piccy of the mare, thought it would be a giveaway!

 

[whisp&willow]

I'd be simples and call her tri-coloured

OP- I Haven't read all the replies... but she is a bay tobiano.

she is not tri coloured, as black in the mane/tail or below the stifle does not count.

beautiful mare. btw.

 

[Crugeran Celt]

Thankyou Faracat that is really interesting, I thought it might have been an old age thing but to be honest she did not get more grey in her last 8 years, I did ask the vet when the grey first started coming through and he thought she would just get more and more grey as she got older but she didn't. Wish I had had DNA testing available then I would like to have found out why her colour changed. We also had a chestnut Arab mare, 4 white stockings and wide white blaze that spread around her cheeks but she also had white patches under her belly and a black patch on her bum, only visable in her summer coat. Again sorry no photos as to long ago.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

What's my boy? Very jagged edges to the colour when clipped, passport says skewbald, colour is more dark brown than black:

He's black based (unless he's a super rare very, very dark chestnut which has been known to happen). The black could look dark brown because he's faded in the sun or because he's a very dark bay. The pinto pattern seems to be a combination of tobiano and sabino.

And what is this amazing looking creature (found on Facebook, no idea who he is)

That horse is listed as a Silver Dapple tobiano. Silver shouldn't be confused with grey (both genes can produce dapples) as Silvers don't get paler as they age. Also, despite the name, Silvers are often brown (eg if the horse has agouti too), but they always have the pale mane and tail. Silver has no effect on a chestnut.

Here's a Silver without the tobiano.

Here's a silver with agouti. note how you can see the darker legs which gives away the fact that this horse would be bay without the silver gene. Also note that this horse is completely different genetically to a flaxen chestnut.

Here's what happens when you add Silver to a buckskin (Black + agouti + cream + silver).

 

[CinnamonChristmasCookie]

Thanks, Faracat! You are a colour genius! Is there one one of describing my coloured? Dare I call him piebald? His colour is more dark brown than black although his tail has black in it.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Lol thanks Faracat, it will be too easy if i post close ups and breeds though lol!!, the breeds, ConniexCob, HighlandxPre, Cob.

The skewbald cob is probably a seal brown rather than bay, with tobiano and sabino.

The grey has greyed out too much to be able to tell her base colour (perhaps you know what colour she was when she was born?) but she also looks to have tobiano and sabino too.

The dun actually is a real bay dun - not a buckskin! Also has sabino giving those lovely jagged edges socks.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Thanks, Faracat! You are a colour genius! Is there one one of describing my coloured? Dare I call him piebald? His colour is more dark brown than black.

If you really want to know, you would need to get him DNA tested (not hard or expensive these days) for agouti (A) and what his base colour is, if he comes back negative for agouti and he has a black gene (or two), then he's a faded black (therefore Piebald).

 

[SuperCoblet]

What about Gypsy?

Gives a good idea on his chest... excuse the behaviour

And excuse the scruffy monster

Thank you

 

[Meowy Catkin]

We also had a chestnut Arab mare, 4 white stockings and wide white blaze that spread around her cheeks but she also had white patches under her belly and a black patch on her bum, only visable in her summer coat.

It sounds like she was a chestnut sabino with a Bend Or spot.

 

[spider]

DG Eventing - I don't see why it is irritating when people use the terms piebald and skewbald. When I was young that is what they were called. All the genetic stuff is very interesting but I am not really interested in learning it and if I tried no doubt I would forget! Luckily my horse is bay. Can I get away with saying "the coloured horse" or is that annoying as well? (Serious question)

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Gypsy looks black and white in those photos, rather than bay and white.

He's black based with tobiano and sabino.


ETA. I don't find piebald and skewbald irritating terms. They are old fashioned and skewbald is a bit vague. If the horse has black and white patches like a magpie - it's piebald, everything else and white is skewbald.

I could write a massive post about things that do annoy me RE colours - but it would be long and dull!

 

[spider]

When I was young I had a grey horse with a touch of grey roan, a spotty bum and black stockings. He was known as the spotty horse. I'd never heard of an Appaloosa then. What should he have been called?

 

[jakkibag]

Aw thanks Faracat, she is indeed a real dun!!!
She is currently in foal to a Homozygous black tobiano, so very interested in what may turn up.
Interesing about the hairy cob, I hadnt thought about it being called anything other than bay tob/sab,
The grey was what used to be termed as Blue and white, she has greyed out so much but can still be classed as a historical coloured in CHAPS classes, but i didnt dare Lol, she has black skin in patches which only shows when she is wet, she also has three birdcatcher spots on her chest, no piccies of that im afraid and she also has quite a lot of silver/grey through her tail!
thanks again!!!

Im hoping to recreate something along the lines of this beauty.....

 

[Meowy Catkin]

When I was young I had a grey horse with a touch of grey roan, a spotty bum and black stockings. He was known as the spotty horse. I'd never heard of an Appaloosa then. What should he have been called?

Photo?

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Im hoping to recreate something along the lines of this beauty.....

I hope you get your wish. Is your dun homozygous or heterozygous for dun?

 

[spider]

I'll try and find a photo and someone with a scanner (way pre digital photos!) but may not be today.

 

[jakkibag]

Homozygous
However i know these things dont always turn out how we want, but if it turns out pink and green ill be straight back on for an explanation x