What type of coloured is she?

So is it where the pigment of that bit of skin doesn't have the agouti gene hence the base colour coming through ? :) I think my old chestnut pony also have some black spots on her but she she also had some white flecks as well :) thanks
 
Faracat said:
Bingo! Definitely a Leopard gene at play then. :) She's probably heterozygous for LP and Varnish is a possibility when a horse has only one LP gene.
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so she'd have been leopard spot if her daddy was spotted or carried the LP gene? but instead she got the varnish of him? so she is varnish roan?
what could her dad be then, as in colour? :) this is all so very exciting finding out these things :)
 
PingPongPony said:
so she'd have been leopard spot if her daddy was spotted or carried the LP gene? but instead she got the varnish of him? so she is varnish roan?
what could her dad be then, as in colour? :) this is all so very exciting finding out these things :)
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The leopard gene is expressed in many different ways in heterozygous Lp horses, either leopard, blanket, snowflake ect.

If she had double Lp, (homozygous Lp) She's be few spot or snowcap or a solid blob of white on her. So snowflake dam = single Lp is likely.

Faracat please correct me if i'm wrong on this. I blooming hope not as this is my area!!

EDT: Your mare has the single Lp gene and what her father was is irrelevant for the Leopard gene.
 
Faracat said:
Blagdon = sabino. Sabino is one of the pinto genes, although it is often the cause of white socks and face markings. So it causes white fur, not dark.
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That is interesting as the bay mare I wrote about earlier with the grey dapples had one of these 'beauty spots' on her cheek it was a perfect oval shape and the hair was black, longer and finer than the rest of her coat.
 
JustAnotherNeddy said:
The leopard gene is expressed in many different ways in heterozygous Lp horses, either leopard, blanket, snowflake ect.

If she had double Lp, (homozygous Lp) She's be few spot or snowcap or a solid blob of white on her. So snowflake dam = single Lp is likely.

Faracat please correct me if i'm wrong on this. I blooming hope not as this is my area!!

EDT: Your mare has the single Lp gene and what her father was is irrelevant for the Leopard gene.
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right ok i understand that now :) but where does the varnish part come from then? :)
 
JustAnotherNeddy said:
The leopard gene is expressed in many different ways in heterozygous Lp horses, either leopard, blanket, snowflake ect.

If she had double Lp, (homozygous Lp) She's be few spot or snowcap or a solid blob of white on her. So snowflake dam = single Lp is likely.

Faracat please correct me if i'm wrong on this. I blooming hope not as this is my area!!

EDT: Your mare has the single Lp gene and what her father was is irrelevant for the Leopard gene.
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I agree with everything you've said. :)
 
Ok - I'm going to sound like a right grump :p but...

I don't like it when bays are described as 'bay with black points.' If you ignore white markings - all bays have black points, it's what makes them bay.

I go 'grrrrrrrrrrr' whenever I see haflingers advertised as palomino because it's not genetically possible.

I don't like it when greys are called roans - it's not the same thing! I was driven potty by people insisting that my grey was strawberry roan, until she moulted and grew a white coat. :p

Buckskin and Bay Dun are mixed up quite often. This one doesn't grate, but I do hope that people can understand the difference once it's explained.

The term 'chocolate palomino' (where's the puke smiley when you need one?) for bay based silver dapples is so wrong. Plus mixing up silver dapples with flaxen chestnuts.
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I'm not a fan of tri-coloured, lemon and white or blue and white (this is me being a real grumpy guts now).

I have no problem with people making mistakes, or just not knowing something, but I do get mad when people are trying to make money by lying. I know that RH20 understands this feeling too.
 
Faracat said:
Do you have any photos of her that you can scan and then post?
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I have photos but to be honest they are so old I don't think they would show the colours up well. Her mother was a TB/Arab and her dad was Welsh Sect D (Nebo Black Magic). While on the topic of cololour could you tell me if I am right in saying you shouldn't be able to have a coloured (sorry) welshie?
 
Crugeran Celt said:
I have photos but to be honest they are so old I don't think they would show the colours up well. Her mother was a TB/Arab and her dad was Welsh Sect D (Nebo Black Magic). While on the topic of cololour could you tell me if I am right in saying you shouldn't be able to have a coloured (sorry) welshie?
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You can have a coloured Welsh if the white is due to splash white or sabino. You can't have a tobiano Welsh.
 
s4sugar said:
You can have a coloured Welsh if the white is due to splash white or sabino. You can't have a tobiano Welsh.
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Thankyou that clears that up for me. I hate seeing people with cobs that are obviously not welsh claiming they are pure bred D's or C's. There is an epidemic of unwanted badley marked 'coloured' cobs in this area that are breeding year on year and being sold to unsuspecting novices as Welsh breeds!
 
Crugeran Celt said:
I have photos but to be honest they are so old I don't think they would show the colours up well. Her mother was a TB/Arab and her dad was Welsh Sect D (Nebo Black Magic). While on the topic of cololour could you tell me if I am right in saying you shouldn't be able to have a coloured (sorry) welshie?
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I can answer this one! No, welshes don't have tobiano in the breed ('true' colour) but they do have sabio which, when extensive, can appear 'coloured', in the same way a clydesdale is 'coloured'. It can be extreme enough to cause patches of feathery white up the body, from the legs upwards. It's frowned upon by the Welsh society though and those with excessive white can't be registered.


Why is my horse roaning out?!
Mum was a bay TB. Dad is a grey ID with extensive white face and legs (not obvious now he's grey). Roo is blonde and now has a LOT of white hairs evenly through his coat. It's seems to be becoming more extensive. If he greys out I'm going to cry!

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He also has sabino markings but not extensive: a very small belly splash that you can faintly see up his side, white face and one ragged white sock. Enough to cause coat roaning?
 
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Kallibear said:
Why is my horse roaning out?!
Mum was a bay TB. Dad is a grey ID with extensive white face and legs (not obvious now he's grey). Roo is blonde and now has a LOT of white hairs evenly through his coat. It's seems to be becoming more extensive. If he greys out I'm going to cry!

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He also has sabino markings but not extensive: a very small belly splash that you can faintly see up his side, white face and one ragged white sock. Enough to cause coat roaning?
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That looks like rabicano with sabion.
My youngster is about the same body colour except mine has pangare so he has paler muzzle & legs and frame overo so he has no white on his legs. He doesn't have a grey parent.
 
s4sugar said:
That looks like rabicano with sabion.
My youngster is about the same body colour except mine has pangare so he has paler muzzle & legs and frame overo so he has no white on his legs. He doesn't have a grey parent.
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Just looked up rabicano (yey for wikipedia ;)) and I'm pretty sure he's not. It causes white patches and orginates from the tail. His tail has no white hairs (it's just blonde, esp at the bottom) and his white hair is evenly over his body (not his face legs though). It'd be cool if he WAS rabicano though as it's unusual.
 
The examples on wikipedia are of more extreme expression of rabicano. Your's is very light and not all show the skunk tail just as some only show the skunk tail.
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Jethro is heterozygous for frame overo but has no white on his body -the patching missed him!
 
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