What was Jamie Grays' line of business?

[SpruceRI]

Sounds a stupid question I know, but reading the transcript from the Court, what did he actually do with the horses he bought from markets?

Surely starving them would bring in less meat money, than fattening them up?

Or did he just have too many in, and couldn't cope with the turnover?


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[brighteyes]

This is something I'd like to know but didn't really want to ask!

 

[QUICKFIRE]

For what its worth, I think that the corpses found in the field was horses that were imports and were used to bring drugs into the country the same what they do with dogs, but then thats just my thoughts.

 

[shoeey]

Someone told me that Gray could be doing "the blood game". She said blood is taken from mares and sold on to laboratories on the continent to be made into the pill and HRT. Sounds far fetched but she was adamant that it happens.
Blood gets taken from the horses daily until they drop. And she said when she's seen it before the horses were terribly thin, just like at Spindles.

 

[M_G]

Some HRT products made using mares hormones but this does not come from the blood I believe its urine/squirt (could be totally wrong) but I am 99% sure its not blood

 

[TheresaW]

I thought it was urine too.

 

[M_G]

It is I found this trough google

Oestrogens used in the HRT drugs Prempak C and Premarin, manufactured by Wyeth-Ayerst, are extracted from the urine of pregnant horses. More than 45,000 of the animals are farmed each year, mainly in the Canadian provinces of Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan.

 

[Quadro]

ask patty she will know

 

[Onyxia]

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ask patty she will know

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She will tell us that although she has vital evidence to prove what the rest of the world know to be fact is not true,but cant possibly tell

 

[RantBucket]

That was funny Anima!

 

[gingermuffin]

On the 11th May at 0042 Patty informed us that Mr Gray dealt to and from Holland, not for meat he had no interest in the meat trade.
I think the answer may be in rspca Inspector Claire Rayner's interest in Mrs Grays coat, reported again by Patty light years ago.
Could it have been pony skin??????

 

[Paddywhack]

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For what its worth, I think that the corpses found in the field was horses that were imports and were used to bring drugs into the country the same what they do with dogs, but then thats just my thoughts.

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You are very close to the truth there

 

[horseygirl28]

In my opinion i think you are all talking a load rubbish.

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For what its worth, I think that the corpses found in the field was horses that were imports and were used to bring drugs into the country the same what they do with dogs, but then thats just my thoughts.

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You are very close to the truth there

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Paddywhack, what proof do you have of this to be able to make such a sweeping statment??

 

[competitiondiva]

Same question could be asked of this case, the person had valuable horses and left them to starve and die???
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/n...il/article.html

I think that the shear number of horses become too much for them but they won't ask for help, that or there really are some sick people in this world. I have no idea about the rumours of drug trafficking. Certainly HRT comes from urine, they keep mares stalled with urine bags attached, to catch the urine of pregnant mares. The mares never go out and barely see daylight, the foals when they arrive are either killed or go for the meat trade.

 

[BankEndRescue]

I think we are maybe getting carried away here. It's my opinion and obviously I don't KNOW but I think that he just ended up with more than he was able to care for

 

[QUICKFIRE]

Well as I made that post, can you tell me what kind of "kof" business man would let his stock rot in the field.

IMO there would be more money to be made out of drugs than out of a skinny horse, yes he was a horse dealer, yes he was a meat man and this would have been a good cover for the money making side of his business, yes IMO he was importing worthless horses full of drugs, and the quickest way to get them drugs out is to open the horse up and let them drop out.
People may say this is a bit far fetched, but as it has been proved that he his a ruthless man could this not been a possability. ?

 

[patty19]

Oh please do get a life. Drugs????? Get real for goodness sake.

And you all have the nerve to accuse me of being unreal!?

PLEEEEEZ!!!!!!

Honestly - [****] sure does fly from didcot.

 

[dozzie]

I think Bankend Rescues suggestion is more likely.

 

[Happy Horse]

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I think Bankend Rescues suggestion is more likely.

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I agree but still no excuse for the conditions of the property or the animals.

 

[QUICKFIRE]

It is real !!!!!! humans traffick drugs, dogs are forced to do it, why not horses! Bankendrecue didn't suggest this..... I did.

 

[dozzie]

But there were huge discrepancies in witness statements about the conditions. Have a look for the full water trough. It is there to see!

Deep litter does look awful but is a method used in farming as it is an efficient method of keeping livestock . Also when the barn floor is concrete it is safer to let an amount of muck, for want of a better word, to build up as a cushion. It is a bit like having a soil floor. Much safer than slippery concrete under a brand new straw bed. It is one of the reasons many people dont have concrete laid in field shelters, they keep a soil floor.

So the conditions are more about perception rather than logic IMO!

It is not like the excrement of meat eating animals.

And before you all jump on me about the carcasses lying about, I think he failed to dispose of some carcasses efficiently. Whether there were mitigating circumstances I dont know so cant judge. I have no idea what options he had in his area. I have the option of a hunt but no local knacker. His options may have been different. But once a horse is dead, it is dead. I dont think failure to dispose indicates cruelty. I think we assume it as part of human nature. And I think the images presented by the RSPCA and the media encouraged that assumption.

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It made no sense for him to starve these horses. You are right.

 

[Janetterose]

I still dont get how ANYONE can refute all the evidence about the Greys. It has been proved that he made the animals suffer. Why? Sure he had his reasons and it would be good to find out to prevent it happening again.

 

[Happy Horse]

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But there were huge discrepancies in witness statements about the conditions. Have a look for the full water trough. It is there to see!

Deep litter does look awful but is a method used in farming as it is an efficient method of keeping livestock . Also when the barn floor is concrete it is safer to let an amount of muck, for want of a better word, to build up as a cushion. It is a bit like having a soil floor. Much safer than slippery concrete under a brand new straw bed. It is one of the reasons many people dont have concrete laid in field shelters, they keep a soil floor.

So the conditions are more about perception rather than logic IMO!

It is not like the excrement of meat eating animals.

And before you all jump on me about the carcasses lying about, I think he failed to dispose of some carcasses efficiently. Whether there were mitigating circumstances I dont know so cant judge. I have no idea what options he had in his area. I have the option of a hunt but no local knacker. His options may have been different. But once a horse is dead, it is dead. I dont think failure to dispose indicates cruelty. I think we assume it as part of human nature. And I think the images presented by the RSPCA and the media encouraged that assumption.

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It made no sense for him to starve these horses. You are right.

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I don't have any problem with well maintained deep litter systems but the ones in the video show absolutely no fresh straw on top, just excrement, this will harbour disease and also cause potential foot rot, skin and lung infections.

With regards to the dead bodies yes they are dead but by law it is illegal to allow them to rot on the surface. The other animals are at risk from pathogens from the bodies in the soil and water courses. IF the knacker was unavailable although he testified that he was and I see no reason for him to lie, DEFRA would have advised on other options, I assume they were never contacted.

One full water trough does not make all 130 (or however many horses) well kept and it is not possible to see how clean the water is.

Asa matter of interst Dozie as you seem rather more logical than Patty, what are your views on the horse with severe diarrhoea and eye infection - suffering or not suffering? These are two immediately visible afflictions in the video.

 

[QUICKFIRE]

I haven't refuted any evidence about the Greys, I have suggested another reason for his business practices.

 

[Janetterose]

I wasnt suggesting you were - just saying I cant imagin why anyone is supporting the guy

 

[patty19]

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Sounds a stupid question I know, but reading the transcript from the Court, what did he actually do with the horses he bought from markets?

Surely starving them would bring in less meat money, than fattening them up?

Or did he just have too many in, and couldn't cope with the turnover?


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He was a horse trader - not a meat trader as some have said.

He imported and exported horses to and from Holland and Belgium but it appears his main dealings were here in the UK.

 

[patty19]

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For what its worth, I think that the corpses found in the field was horses that were imports and were used to bring drugs into the country the same what they do with dogs, but then thats just my thoughts.

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And why do you think that?

 

[patty19]

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Someone told me that Gray could be doing "the blood game". She said blood is taken from mares and sold on to laboratories on the continent to be made into the pill and HRT. Sounds far fetched but she was adamant that it happens.
Blood gets taken from the horses daily until they drop. And she said when she's seen it before the horses were terribly thin, just like at Spindles.

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Well that someone is speaking from their rear end.

 

[patty19]

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ask patty she will know

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She will tell us that although she has vital evidence to prove what the rest of the world know to be fact is not true,but cant possibly tell

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So YOU and the rest of the world KNOW that the ridiclous claims on this thread are FACTS?

 

[patty19]

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On the 11th May at 0042 Patty informed us that Mr Gray dealt to and from Holland, not for meat he had no interest in the meat trade.
I think the answer may be in rspca Inspector Claire Rayner's interest in Mrs Grays coat, reported again by Patty light years ago.
Could it have been pony skin??????

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Goodness me you're so funny -

Bet you are the life and soul of every party.

You go girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!