What's peoples beef with Ceasar Millian?

Perhaps I should have said "The power to reason". The power to reason, otherwise known as intelligence, is what separates us from animals. That's what I think anyway, having thought about it, for a few years!

Alec.
 
TarrSteps said:
American now. ;) Although that caused its own controversy.
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He's quite proud of being from Mexico :D

Boolavogue...if I've got this right, he's coming to the UK.. So I'll be searching out a very difficult dog to see if I can get him to come and sort me out..oops, sorry meant sort it out :D
 
Alec Swan said:
....... and the dog, "Shutting down", on occasions is exactly what's needed. There are those dogs, and CM often seems to have them before him, which need to be pushed back into their submissive, compliant and obedient role, before they can be slowly lifted or allowed to reach an acceptable plain.

It's all to do with a balanced relationship, and if you're unable to accept that, then we wont make any progress. As in another thread;

"Don't tell me how clever you are, show me, and if you can take on the difficult, and on occasions the dangerous, and turn around those dogs which are unacceptable, and you can do it with rewards and lots of love and kisses, then I'm there to learn. I mean it, show me how it's done".

Alec.
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I have had a difficult dog, in fact some people did call her aggressive. I had her for ten and a half years. I didnt train her with hugs and kisses, she was handled in a firm and fair way. She did get told off and corrected BUT she was never kicked in the guts, hung from a check chain or put in to the position of shutting down because she was so frightened she didnt know what to do.
CM does not read dogs he bullies them! I would reccomend people read Turid Rugaas book Calming signals, then watch CM and see what you think.

Why has this man been taken to court in the Usa? Why is he always getting bitten? why do a lot of the dogs he has "helped" go back to their previous behaviour and worse afterwards? Why are trainers and behaviourists seeing a lot of problem dogs who have been trained with his methods?
Any ideas?

I cant stand the man or his methods and find it very scary that people cant see through him. Hes a showman not a dog trainer.
 
TrasaM said:
He's quite proud of being from Mexico :D

Boolavogue...if I've got this right, he's coming to the UK.. So I'll be searching out a very difficult dog to see if I can get him to come and sort me out..oops, sorry meant sort it out :D
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It was a bad joke on my part. As I'm sure you know, there was a bit of drama over his status as he was not legal even after he started to become well known. Some movie star clients weighed in and, presto, he got his card. There was some grumbling about one rule for some . . .

None of which I think is anything against the man but it was a bit eye opening with regard to the larger picture as it made very clear that despite the country SO obsessed with immigration/aliens, there's a lot of looking the other way.

Anyhow, nothing to do with dogs. :)
 
I'm not going to read the rest of the post because I'm sure there are lots of pro Cesar folk going on about how the dogs he sorts deserve a good beating etc etc

I don't like him because I think he doesn't understand or really know what is needed to help dogs get past bad owners. I am sure he occasionally gets good quick fix results and some dogs may remain stunned enough to forever be too scared to step over the mark again, but that, doesn't make a good TV trainer in my view.

Quick "google" on his american programmes will show you why. Over here and what is shown over here much tamer as he'd get prosecuted here.
 
I can only speak with knowledge on the breeds I know well eg samoyeds, malamutes and sibes.

They are extremely sensitive dogs and with the exception of sams, fear and confusion can very easily turn to aggression.
As a result, we never use 'harsh' training methods, alpha rolls (whatever he says, wolves do not force a roll, it is freely offered as a submissive/respectful gesture, and the wolves do not sit on each other when carrying it out), etc and only use positive reinforcement. These dogs, whilst boisterous and excitable, are well behaved, non aggressive, and obedient. We don't stop them being dogs, but don't expect them to be subordinate to us. They are respectful, and quick learning. I teach them 'tricks' to keep their active minds occupied, and that reinforces the respect, as well.

My first samoyed was a rescue, and was terrified of people, to the point of aggression (unheard of in sams!), but we dealt with him in the same way, and he got over it eventually, and became a lovely safe family dog.

Now, I know each dog needs different handling techniques, but after seeing CM alpha roll, and string up sibes, I was concerned for the dogs and their owners in the future. This, IMO, is not the right way to train these dogs - whatever problems they have.
 
TarrSteps said:
It was a bad joke on my part. As I'm sure you know, there was a bit of drama over his status as he was not legal even after he started to become well known. Some movie star clients weighed in and, presto, he got his card. There was some grumbling about one rule for some . . .

None of which I think is anything against the man but it was a bit eye opening with regard to the larger picture as it made very clear that despite the country SO obsessed with immigration/aliens, there's a lot of looking the other way.

Anyhow, nothing to do with dogs. :)
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Knew he got in by the back door but didn't realise he is a relatively new citizen. ..guess it's possible to stay under the radar after all.
 
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