When WOULD you hit a horse? Or would you?

cptrayes said:
Why? He would have to live alone if I moved him, and he loves being in company. The other horses are in stables when they are on the yard, he is the yard hoover. I have no stable for him. What on EARTH was wrong with one lesson? You people are unreal :)
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It must have been one hell of a beating if you only had to do it once and he really never ever strays back in there :eek:

I'll stick to making sure dangerous situations aren't left readily available for my horses to walk into, cheers :rolleyes:
 
cptrayes said:
Why? He would have to live alone if I moved him, and he loves being in company. The other horses are in stables when they are on the yard, he is the yard hoover. I have no stable for him. What on EARTH was wrong with one lesson? You people are unreal :)
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Of course, an even simpler solution would be to invest in a shetland proof grain bin. If a horse got in my feed room, it would not be able to get at any of the feed.
 
Wagtail said:
I understand your thinking here, but I think you are acting completely irresponsibly by allowing the shetland ACCESS to the feed store in the first place. Why is he wandering around in the same area? Shouldn't the paddock be fenced off from the store? If not, all you need is some electric netting that you can step over, but little tubby tubs cannot. Far better than beating the poor little mite.
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The feed store is directly off the yard and when the horses are in he lives on the yard. I live in a National Park and I would not be able to get planning consent to build another feed store. Life is not as simple as you would all like it to be :)

"Beating the poor little mite" Are you talking about the cheeky, happy, playful pony I have out in my yard, or a poor downtrodden creature who is beaten every day in your own imagination?
 
cptrayes said:
If people are stupid enough to hit a horse for something it hasn't done or hasn't understood then they deserve what they get, even if the horse doesn't.

I doubt that you are right about Andy's horses because horses are flight animals and anything threatening and unusual will cause most horses to run.

Of course if you use a whip in the course of training, it is not random and the horse does understand, provided you have your timing right, that he is not to repeat the behaviour which has been punished. To say, as some people have, that a horse cannot learn from being hit is total and utter nonsense. It learns to avoid the behaviour it was doing immediately before, or while, it was hit.
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1 beat the cr ap out of the human who was negligent enough to leave the door open, not the animal with the FAR smaller brain and FAR less reasoning power!!!!

2. Put your sodding hand in your pocket and invest in a self closing hinge for the door since you and you're OH do not have brains that work.

3. Better still don't own a horse

I seriously hope you are joking, a smack for dangerous bolshy behaviour or to prevent an escilating situation (snap the horse out of it to save any injury) or to counter aggressive and again dangerous behaviour if ok in my opinion.

but this attitude of yours is quite barbaric :(
 
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Wagtail said:
Of course, an even simpler solution would be to invest in a shetland proof grain bin. If a horse got in my feed room, it would not be able to get at any of the feed.
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I do not have room to put all the feed I buy in one lot in bins.
 
team barney said:
I don't know who people can breed from horses like that. In my opinion only horses with the best of temperaments should be kept entire. There are far too many useless nasty stallions and colts out there how should be gelded. Instead they sit in stables/fields and breed countless foal each year from (usually) questionable quality mares. Breeding like this is a real hate of mine.

Better off gelded and being someones low level comp horse than polluting the equine gene pool.

I would geld any horse if it showed it's self to have a questionable temperament, regardless of talent bloodlines or colour. It could be the next Totilas or Arko, I don't care it's bits would be straight off!

I've seen the results of these stallion and they often get worse every generation, any quality goes but that dreadful temperament remains :(

Sorry rant over, it is just a real pet hate of mine.
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I am with you 100%- some folk get hooked on the "bloodlines" and can not see the horrible thug in front of them.
 
queenbee said:
1 beat the cr ap out of the human who was negligent enough to leave the door open, not the animal with the FAR smaller brain and FAR less reasoning power!!!!

2. Put your sodding hand in your pocket and invest in a self closing hinge for the door since you and you're OH do not have brains that work.

3. Better still don't own a horse

I seriously hope you are joking, a smack for dangerous bolshy behaviour or to prevent an escilating situation (snap the horse to save any injury) or to counter aggressive and again dangerous behaviour if ok in my opinion.

but this attitude of yours is quite barbaric :(
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queenbee said:
1 beat the cr ap out of the human who was negligent enough to leave the door open, not the animal with the FAR smaller brain and FAR less reasoning power!!!!

2. Put your sodding hand in your pocket and invest in a self closing hinge for the door since you and you're OH do not have brains that work.

3. Better still don't own a horse

I seriously hope you are joking, a smack for dangerous bolshy behaviour or to prevent an escilating situation (snap the horse to save any injury) or to counter aggressive and again dangerous behaviour if ok in my opinion.

but this attitude of yours is quite barbaric :(
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1. It's not his fault the poor man, he isn't a woman, you see and he forgets, especially when he was ill? I wouldn't hit any animal when it wasn't its fault and when it did it because it was ill.

2. See above ref self closing door. Access is required which would mean that it has to be wedged open.

3. Ooh, barbaric! Shucks I'll just go beat myself up like so many horse owners seem to want to. Mostly the same ones that are too afraid to ride the horses they own (roughly 30% in the livery yard my friend used to manage).
 
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The largest of my bins stores twenty 20kg sacks and takes up no more room as it is designed t stack the standard size bags. I then open the bags as I need them into smaller bins.
 
cptrayes said:
You aren't married are you La La? If you think you can 100% control what a husband does you have a sad awakening to come!
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I will be in 4 weeks and 1 day... not that having a ring on my finger will make even the slightest bit of difference to how my horses are looked after :confused:
 
I've never hit hard enough to leave marks/draw blood, but if dangerous behaviour is involved I would.

One 8yo unbacked and virtually unhandled stallion (now gelded and much better behaved) was brought from a farm to a yard where I worked. He used to full on charge at people randomly with his teeth bared, I have no doubts that he would not hesitate to do serious damage. He did it once with me but I was next to the fence and got out quickly. After that I carried a crop so that if needs be I could smack him if he charged at me or any of the kids I taught (I did tell them to stay out of the paddock, but small children don't always listen). YO turned stallion out with the whole herd, so intensified the problem, and the gate between arena and paddock was only about 50cm. Couldn't take the risk of having him hurt kids. As it happened, I never needed it, but would have used it instantly had he come at us.

Also gave my horse a belt when he got crazy at his first show and reared multiple times, caught me on the jaw with his front hoof. Was very lucky that was all. Didn't leave marks though, it was only my hand
 
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I used to ride a cob who would nap badly. Wasn't scared, just knew he could get away with it. I used to give him an almighty wallop. I would rather that then he kept on reversing into a car... he did that on more then one occasion with his owner who didn't have the nerve to tell him! After he did it twice with me and I walloped him both times he never did it again.
It all depends on the situation, type of horse etc.
If I was on something that was napping out of fear for example then no I would never wallop it.

ETA: I never left marks or drew blood. :eek:
 
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Lady La La said:
It must have been one hell of a beating if you only had to do it once and he really never ever strays back in there :eek:

I'll stick to making sure dangerous situations aren't left readily available for my horses to walk into, cheers :rolleyes:
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I kicked him on his big round furry bottom with a foot in a rubber boot three times while yelling my head off at him and waving my arms violently in his general direction.

He was uninjured in any way and he has been wary of the feed store ever since.

I am baffled what on earth all the fuss is about, do any of you really understand how tough a Shetland is and how difficult it would actually be to hurt them?
 
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Then put a spring onto the door so it self closes. Like this one: http://www.handles4doors.co.uk/Ironm...={keyword}

£2.99 and a bit of time with a screwdriver, and your feed protected from ponies, rain blowing in etc. Lateral thinking.



cptrayes said:
At the time the door is left open by other people, free access is required with arms full of tools and electrical equipment.
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bring on the *head-desk* smiley or even the shotgun one.

Cptrayes you are off the wall bonkers, are you for real? THIS HAS TO BE A WIND UP!!!





please tell me it's a wind up
 
cptrayes said:
I kicked him on his big round furry bottom with a foot in a rubber boot three times while yelling my head off at him and waving my arms violently in his general direction.

He was uninjured in any way and he has been wary of the feed store ever since.

I am baffled what on earth all the fuss is about, do any of you really understand how tough a Shetland is and how difficult it would actually be to hurt them?
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Shouting at my shetland, and kicking him on his arse would do bob all to keep him away from food...

However it would probably do rather a lot to make him develope a rather strong fear/disslike for me. Not something I plan on doing anytime soon. I like that my animals like me.
I also like that I'm capable of making sure all the doors on my yard are closed as and when they should be. :)
 
For those that said they would just get out of the way when horse is attacking you... doesnt work like that. It's natural reaction to wallop the thing back.
 
Wagtail said:
The largest of my bins stores twenty 20kg sacks and takes up no more room as it is designed t stack the standard size bags. I then open the bags as I need them into smaller bins.
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Good for you.

Out of bins I can stack them as high as I like and take up less floor space. I used to buy smaller quantities and bin them when I had only one horse and it knackers your back getting the bottom ones out, and taking the last few out to rotate the stock when you buy a new lot is a complete nightmare of bending in half and lifting 20kg over a waist high barrier - definitely not recommended lifting technique!
 
Lady La La said:
Shouting at my shetland, and kicking him on his arse would do bob all to keep him away from food...

However it would probably do rather a lot to make him develope a rather strong fear/disslike for me. Not something I plan on doing anytime soon. I like that my animals like me.
I also like that I'm capable of making sure all the doors on my yard are closed as and when they should be. :)
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Yeah yeah. He's so scared of me he follows me everywhere. I trim his feet without tying him up. And he comes to me every evening to have his muzzle put on. Yup, he's just terrified of me.

When are you people going to understand that horses children and dogs LIKE boundaries. It makes them feel safe.

If you have a husband you is prepared to have you watch him for every minute of every day in case he puts a foot out of line then you are married to a man who I would not touch with a bargepole :)
 
wench said:
For those that said they would just get out of the way when horse is attacking you... doesnt work like that. It's natural reaction to wallop the thing back.
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Have to agree. I would class myself as a non hitter, but the time when that mare clamped her teeth round my arm, it was the worst pain I have ever felt and I was terrified. If I hadn't so much padding on she would have ripped off my whole biceps muscle and broken my arm. I screamed at her and threw some brushing boots at her. Completely illogical, I know, but it was a reflex reaction. I never went anywhere near her again. No horse has ever frightened me like that before or since. And all I was doing was checking if she had haylage.
 
cptrayes said:
Yeah yeah. He's so scared of me he follows me everywhere. I trim his feet without tying him up. And he comes to me every evening to have his muzzle put on. Yup, he's just terrified of me.

When are you people going to understand that horses children and dogs LIKE boundaries. It makes them feel safe.

If you have a husband you is prepared to have you watch him for every minute of every day in case he puts a foot out of line then you are married to a man who I would not touch with a bargepole :)
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Im simply (about to be) married to a man who is able to shut a door.
Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
cptrayes said:
1. It's not his fault the poor man, he isn't a woman, you see and he forgets, especially when he was ill? ).
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Then SHOOT HIM!

cptrayes said:
I wouldn't hit any animal when it wasn't its fault and when it did it because it was ill. TELL THAT TO YOUR SHETLAND).
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cptrayes said:
2. See above ref self closing door. Access is required which would mean that it has to be wedged open.).
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YES, APPARENTLY BY YOUR SHETLAND

cptrayes said:
3. Ooh, barbaric! Shucks I'll just go beat myself up like so many horse owners seem to want to. Mostly the same ones that are too afraid to ride the horses they own (roughly 30% in the livery yard my friend used to manage).
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I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE^^^




Queenbee is now leaving the forum before she jumps out of someones computer screen and throttles them ;) and that would never do because TFC would be tres upset and give her an infarction.


Tootle pips peeps
 
You don't have to smack a horse (or a dog) to establish boundaries.

Nor do you have to watch people all day, you just need to find decent, trustworthy people who give a rats ass about the things you care about and therefore make efforts to keep them safe.
 
queenbee said:
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Originally Posted by Spudlet
Then put a spring onto the door so it self closes. Like this one: http://www.handles4doors.co.uk/Ironm...={keyword}

£2.99 and a bit of time with a screwdriver, and your feed protected from ponies, rain blowing in etc. Lateral thinking.






bring on the *head-desk* smiley or even the shotgun one.

Cptrayes you are off the wall bonkers, are you for real? THIS HAS TO BE A WIND UP!!!





please tell me it's a wind up
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Are you aware that it is not safe to work in a closed room full of batteries full of sulphuric acid and a mass of electrical equipment? I'd rather train my pony to stay out of that room than have my OH trapped in it and hurt himself.

You guys live such narrow lives you seem to think the world should stop because someone kicks a pony!
 
There are boundries and then there is a bit OTT boundries.
To me a boundry would be closing the door, why do you think people have those childproof lock thingys on cupboard doors, and on medication.. So children can't just wander along and eat them! Like a stable door does to a horse, they can't just wander along and eat everything!!!!!
I have caught loose horses in the feed room before.. never once did I punish them. I either swore at myself for leaving the door open, or had a quick word with whoever did so it doesn't happen again..
 
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