GeeGeeboy
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Do you do it? How long for? Am having a problem with my old rescue dog who has taken to soiling the carpet during the night and I thought crating her may be the answer.
Who crates their dogs overnight?
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Yep, about 11.30pm-7.30am and he sleeps through but he has done so since he was a babt puppy and is of a very trainable breed/type.
If she is older it might take a bit longer for her to get the hang of it.
Has she been at the vet to rule out a medical condition? As they get older a lot of dogs cannot stay dry overnight, a bit like ourselves
If she is older it might take a bit longer for her to get the hang of it.
Has she been at the vet to rule out a medical condition? As they get older a lot of dogs cannot stay dry overnight, a bit like ourselves
Devonshire dumpling
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I used one to puppy train my very dirty almost untrainable terrier puppy, worked over night! This was 13 yrs ago!! Both my terriers go in a cage when staying at other peoples houses as they are so spoilt they jump up on door handles to open them and scratch paintwork!! They actually love their cage, think its cosy XX... ohh and they also go in it in the car boot!
QUICKFIRE
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Yes I do, mainly because we are in rented accomodation, but doubt they would do damage anyway, have an adult JRT and her daughter, at previous house we didn't have a garden so the little one is crate trained, I have 2 large crates linked together, sleeping area and paper down in the other, we are at a new house now and have a garden but they both sleep in crate, and little one is learning to go outside, shut in from about 12pm till about 8am..
QUICKFIRE
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lol my 2 go in the boot of the car too!
but they have learnt how to escape, thats terriers for you!
but they have learnt how to escape, thats terriers for you!
GeeGeeboy
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She has not got a medical problem . She often poos and pees during the night. I just think she's never been house trained . she's a rough collie so is quite smart and trainable.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Re your set-up Quickfire, not knocking you if it works but for direction for the OP, the idea is that they do not go in the crate, so no paper down for this girl, they are suppose to hold it because no one wants to crap or pee where they sleep, mine can sit, stand, turn around in his, but that is about it, it's his bed for sleeping in.
In bed - sleepy times - out of the crate - straight outside for pee and poo time.
Mine is also used for the car, I must get another one, my bloody back is killing me
Cayla has a good crate training guide she might PM you if you ask nicely or chuck a couple of quid to Adopt-a-Dog North East
In bed - sleepy times - out of the crate - straight outside for pee and poo time.
Mine is also used for the car, I must get another one, my bloody back is killing me
Cayla has a good crate training guide she might PM you if you ask nicely or chuck a couple of quid to Adopt-a-Dog North East
reddie
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I used to crate our jrtx at night when she wasn't housetrained. She was in from about 11pm til anywhere between 7pm- 8pm. She is a rescue and had no idea about beng clean in the house, and she also used to chew. It took a couple of months before I left her out of the crate, but she has been good at night ever since.
Rose Folly
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Probably not the best person to be commenting on this, as I loathe crates and would never, ever use them.
Anyway, leaving that aside, if your dog hasn't got a medical problem it should be perfectly possible to house train her - because that is what the problem is. We've had about a doxen rescue dogs over the past 30 years, some of whom have poo'd and pee'd in the night. Crating may solve the symtpom but not the cause.
So start at the beginning. Don't feed your dog late at night. Feed at least four hours before bed-time. Preferably feed two smaller feeds a day at twelve hour intervals rather than one big one at night.Don't restrict water as I've known one or two nutters do. Take your dog out after each meal, and again 3-4 hours later. Don't just turf her out of doors and hope she performs. Go with her (?), stay with her, and lavish praise for when she 'goes'.
Our dogs have the run of the house at night as we expect only one thing of them in life, that they deter burglars and warn us of same (which they do admirably). Normally a dog trained on the above routine will come to you if they need to go out in the night - and if they do, that's just tough for you. You may have to get out of bed a few times, but that will cease.
A crate may be the easy, lazy option, but would you like to be shut in a box just a little bigger than yourself for 7-8 hours and not allowed to go to the lavatory when you needed to? Think about it....
Anyway, leaving that aside, if your dog hasn't got a medical problem it should be perfectly possible to house train her - because that is what the problem is. We've had about a doxen rescue dogs over the past 30 years, some of whom have poo'd and pee'd in the night. Crating may solve the symtpom but not the cause.
So start at the beginning. Don't feed your dog late at night. Feed at least four hours before bed-time. Preferably feed two smaller feeds a day at twelve hour intervals rather than one big one at night.Don't restrict water as I've known one or two nutters do. Take your dog out after each meal, and again 3-4 hours later. Don't just turf her out of doors and hope she performs. Go with her (?), stay with her, and lavish praise for when she 'goes'.
Our dogs have the run of the house at night as we expect only one thing of them in life, that they deter burglars and warn us of same (which they do admirably). Normally a dog trained on the above routine will come to you if they need to go out in the night - and if they do, that's just tough for you. You may have to get out of bed a few times, but that will cease.
A crate may be the easy, lazy option, but would you like to be shut in a box just a little bigger than yourself for 7-8 hours and not allowed to go to the lavatory when you needed to? Think about it....
Katikins
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A dog isn't a person!
TGM
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When our dog was a puppy she was crated overnight, from about 10pm to 6.30am. Totally disagree with the poster who says that crating for house-training problems is treating the symptoms and not the cause, because by using the crate in the way we did, our dog become 100% house-trained very quickly and easily and we were soon able to dispense with shutting the crate every night, although she still chose to sleep there despite having another bed available!
I think of a crate for a dog as like a cot for a baby - somewhere you can leave them when they are unsupervised and trust they will be safe and not get themselves into mischief.
We have recently had my mother's dog come to live with us, as mum is getting too frail to cope with her anymore. This has upset the dog's routine and we have had soiling and chewing problems, so she has been crated at night. This has worked well and she is very happy to go in the crate which actually seems to give her a sense of security.
I think of a crate for a dog as like a cot for a baby - somewhere you can leave them when they are unsupervised and trust they will be safe and not get themselves into mischief.
We have recently had my mother's dog come to live with us, as mum is getting too frail to cope with her anymore. This has upset the dog's routine and we have had soiling and chewing problems, so she has been crated at night. This has worked well and she is very happy to go in the crate which actually seems to give her a sense of security.
quirky
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We have 2 older dogs who can no longer hold themselves through the night.
Unlike the OP's, ours bark to be let out. Sometimes this can be 3 times a night. We have modified feed times, limited their water but all to no avail. To soil in the house for them is a last resort, so up I get to let them out .
I don't think a crate will solve your problem tbh, if the dog can't hold it, they can't hold it, putting them in a crate isn't going to alter their bladder and bowel retention.
I'd rather be wiping up from the floor than a crate
Unlike the OP's, ours bark to be let out. Sometimes this can be 3 times a night
. We have modified feed times, limited their water but all to no avail. To soil in the house for them is a last resort, so up I get to let them out .I don't think a crate will solve your problem tbh, if the dog can't hold it, they can't hold it, putting them in a crate isn't going to alter their bladder and bowel retention.
I'd rather be wiping up from the floor than a crate
Alec Swan
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I was beginning to think that I was the only one!! Mostly, I agree with the rest of your post, too. Any house living dogs, have their own bed, it's a place where they have a sanctuary, a place which is theirs, and a place (generally as puppies), where they are put, following a flea being put in their ear!
All our internal house doors remain open at night, and from a very young age, all dogs have learned how to wake me, by whining at the bottom of the stairs, in the case of an emergency loo break. It beats coming down stairs, first thing on a winters morning, in the dark and stepping in a dump, with bare feet!!
Alec.
Ets. It is also a case, of each to their own!!
MrsMozart
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We've used crates and pens over the years to good effect.
The Shih Tzu were rescue dogs. Not at all house trained and very hard to train in that respect. They are now penned at night and whilst we're out - the pen is big enough for them to all have their own space, but they rarely soil in there.
The Shih Tzu were rescue dogs. Not at all house trained and very hard to train in that respect. They are now penned at night and whilst we're out - the pen is big enough for them to all have their own space, but they rarely soil in there.
TGM
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That's fine if you have trained your dogs from pups - the one I have had from a puppy will whine in the night on the rare occasion that she is desperate to go in the night, so I will go down and let her out. However, not always so simple if you rehome a dog that has not been trained that way. The new dog does not whine or bark but just dumps on the floor overnight. It is obviously not because she is incapable of holding it, as she is clean if crated overnight. I do wonder whether the fact we have a slate floor confuses her - perhaps she thinks it is like the patio in her old home and therefore an acceptable place to poo!
I do agree with Quirky though, that if the OP's dog physically can't contain itself then a crate won't help. If she wants to go down the crate route then borrowing one to start with might be a good idea to determine whether the dog has just got into bad habits or really cannot control its bowels.
SavingGrace
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My dog is crated when we are all out of the house. He has lots of room in his infact you can fit two dogs (big staffies) and my niece 6 and nephew 10 in their. Not that I advocate putting children in crates it was their choice to see how many fitted in when it came not mine
Devonshire dumpling
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I've had alot of experience with puppies and my collies and gsd's, and our patterdale was trained the conventional way, but this one terrier puppy was so hard to train, he is still a bit special needs now 13 yrs on..... not very bright, but he got the crate method over night, so there is definately a place for it, shouldn't be ruled out, my dogs absolutely love their cage. X
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Wow, lazy AND a nutter
Rose Folly as Alec says, each to their own, every dog is different, mine, just like me, can sleep through eight hours without needing a pee
Rose Folly as Alec says, each to their own, every dog is different, mine, just like me, can sleep through eight hours without needing a pee
Devonshire dumpling
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Wow, lazy AND a nutter
Rose Folly as Alec says, each to their own, every dog is different, mine, just like me, can sleep through eight hours without needing a pee
My 17 yr old and 13 yr old can still be left 8 hours of a day without a wee!
FrodoBeutlin
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I cannot comment as my Italian greyhounds sleep in bed with me most nights...
In general though I've always found it interesting that a lot of the people who advocate crating at night call horse owners who stable their horses overnight 'cruel'...Never understood what the difference is!
In general though I've always found it interesting that a lot of the people who advocate crating at night call horse owners who stable their horses overnight 'cruel'...Never understood what the difference is!
Rose Folly
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Sorry, that was a bit of a terse reply, though i stand by what I said. Had just seen a crated dog, crate far too small, it couldn't even turn round without bending into a U shape. OP, no of course dogs aren't humans, but we do share things like physical discomfort, aching bones, the need to stretch right out. But maybe you're too young to know how that feels?
Alex, so glad I'm not the only nutter. And ours call us like yours. None of our rescue dogs were puppies, they were all 4-6 year olds when we had them. So they are trainable. It's all T & P (Time and Patience). But, each to his own.
Alex, so glad I'm not the only nutter. And ours call us like yours. None of our rescue dogs were puppies, they were all 4-6 year olds when we had them. So they are trainable. It's all T & P (Time and Patience). But, each to his own.
Devonshire dumpling
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I cannot comment as my Italian greyhounds sleep in bed with me most nights...
In general though I've always found it interesting that a lot of the people who advocate crating at night call horse owners who stable their horses overnight 'cruel'...Never understood what the difference is!
I don't think it's cruel to stable a horse overnight, BUT you were asking what the difference was so I shall tell you:-
Dogs curl up into a little ball and sleep all night generally
Horses stand, walk around, and graze all night, no comparison really
Devonshire dumpling
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I cannot comment as my Italian greyhounds sleep in bed with me most nights...
In general though I've always found it interesting that a lot of the people who advocate crating at night call horse owners who stable their horses overnight 'cruel'...Never understood what the difference is!
Ohhhh I agree they should have plenty of room!! My 2 terriers are in a labrador sized cage.. mine could probably do little circuits if they wanted lol
NeverSayNever
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I crate train all mine from day 1 as puppies, to aid in toilet training and for their own safety in the house overnight or if unsupervised. I have working line border collies and start every pup off in the house so they bond with us and have intensive human time, then they are slowly integrated into the kennels from about 6 months.
Im not sure I would put an older dog who had never been crated into one though. My old labrador was the only one i never crate trained, he was my first dog and I hadnt even heard of them. When he started having accidents overnight at the age of about 12 it never crossed my mind to start crating him, we just lifted the carpet in the front porch for him instead and put down paper. He lived for another 3 years like that.
Im not sure I would put an older dog who had never been crated into one though. My old labrador was the only one i never crate trained, he was my first dog and I hadnt even heard of them. When he started having accidents overnight at the age of about 12 it never crossed my mind to start crating him, we just lifted the carpet in the front porch for him instead and put down paper. He lived for another 3 years like that.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I've never thought stabling a horse was cruel either and there ain't room enough on the bed for both of us!
He does have room to stretch in the crate though don't worry about my fella, what you saw RF, was the action of an idiot owner, not the fault of a crate, which is an inanimate object or the fault of people who use them properly
and there ain't room enough on the bed for both of us!He does have room to stretch in the crate though
don't worry about my fella, what you saw RF, was the action of an idiot owner, not the fault of a crate, which is an inanimate object or the fault of people who use them properly Dobiegirl
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Im new to crating and a convert, if used correctly it is a wonderful way to keep your dog safe. But theres the rub some people dump their dog in there continualy not what they were designed for. Our puppy has used it from day one and sees it as her bed even though she could use any of the others. They are only as good as the people who use them ,used correctly dogs see them as their sanctuary used incorrectly dogs see them as a prison.
This is an interesting article from a dog rescue who are against crates but who can blame them when they see them used incorrectly and want to be sure dogs are not being locked up 24/7 http://www.hollyhedge.org.uk/crating.asp
When we took our pup to dog training the dog trainer spent quite a lot of time teaching people about correct crating and even had some to show(he was not selling any).
This is an interesting article from a dog rescue who are against crates but who can blame them when they see them used incorrectly and want to be sure dogs are not being locked up 24/7 http://www.hollyhedge.org.uk/crating.asp
When we took our pup to dog training the dog trainer spent quite a lot of time teaching people about correct crating and even had some to show(he was not selling any).
FrodoBeutlin
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Relatively speaking - a competition horse who has been stabled all of his life would quite simply not cope with being left out 24/7 - I know mine wouldn't!!
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Well I hope you leave the radio on and give him a stuffed Kong, you bad, bad mummy
Baldy blows kisses to Beezle, by the way x
paulineh
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The only time I would cage one of mine is when we go shooting , this is a safety thing so I can leave the back of the Land Rover open during lunch
I do not crate mine any other time At night they are in the Kennels which has a large run so of they need to at night they can get out there.
I do not crate mine any other time At night they are in the Kennels which has a large run so of they need to at night they can get out there.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I use runs and a car crate too AND I let him sit on the sofa beside me it's just a different degree of temporary confinement, which keeps the dog safe and dry (and my sofa uneaten ) in my opinion. I could let my dogs go wherever they want all the time but they would probably get hit by a car or shot in a farmer's field or end up in the vets after trying to swallow the entire sofa
Again, I think people need to direct their ire at people who misuse items, not the items themselves or the people who use them correctly. Remind me about that the next time I rant about flexis or chain leads
it's just a different degree of temporary confinement, which keeps the dog safe and dry (and my sofa uneaten ) in my opinion. I could let my dogs go wherever they want all the time but they would probably get hit by a car or shot in a farmer's field or end up in the vets after trying to swallow the entire sofa Again, I think people need to direct their ire at people who misuse items, not the items themselves or the people who use them correctly. Remind me about that the next time I rant about flexis or chain leads